ANOTHER .....9th NOV 2011.........S.S....... 041

[Plantaholic Sheila]

Another shrub, this one has with white flowers.
Your assistance please.
Thanks
Sheila.
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Date..... 13th April 2011 Late afternoon.

Location-......In the ancient capital/ palace grounds/ garden at
RABDENTSE. SIKKIM

Habitat-Garden...... do not know it was planted or wild

Plant..... Shrub, or maybe a tree?

Height/Length-???

Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-... see pic.

Inflorescence Type/ Size-.... see pic.

Flowers Size/ Colour... white

[Prashant awale]

Just a wild guess, could this be some Litsea sp.??

Regards

Prashant

[jui]

he over all appearance of the plant resembles a Flacouritiaceae member
'Casearia sp'

Jui

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[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Just a wild guess, could this be some Litsea sp.??” from Prashant ji.             

                

“The over all appearance of the plant resembles a Flacouritiaceae member 'Casearia sp'” from Jui ji.

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[jmgarg1]

A reply:

"I fail to find any data that can help to ID the concerned species.

 

Taking cue from Prashant Ji i found following links :-

Litsea monopetala (plant no. 31) - http://nature.iacm.gov.mo/oldtree2005/TREE.html
image of a berry of the above - http://www.zipcodezoo.com/hp350/Litsea_monopetala_2.jpg
another link - http://plantillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=613540&language=English

 

Yet, taking cue from Jui Ji i find :-

somewhat similar leaves - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Starr_060225-6165_Xylosma_hawaiiense.jpg
similar flowers - http://www.southeastgarden.com/xylosma.html
one Casearia fruit - http://www.flickr.com/photos/wwwssncomphotos/5780002342/

So, it is quite hard to me to choose one from the above

 

Thank you & Regards,

 

Surajit Koley"

[jmgarg1]

A reply:

"Hello All 

Just a thought could this plant be Xylosma longifolia? One more probablity is that it belongs to Syzigium sp (Syzigium zeylanicum??) but unsure if their leaves ever have a serrate margins. 

Thanks  

Jui"

[surajit koley]

Garg Sir,

The probability of a Myrtaceae member also occurred to me and i searched a lot on Syzigium too!

Specially because the 4th image (041 13-04-2011 17-46-30.jpg) gives hint of hermaphrodite flowers and the 5th image (041 13-04-2011 17-46-54.jpg) clearly shows sub-marginal venation. On the other hand Litsea is a dioecious plant.

Fruits (041 13-04-2011 17-45-42.jpg) are more like Michelia champaca, a Magnoliaceae member. But, i think, this plant in question cannot be a Magnoliaceae!

Neither would i go for Myrtaceae, fruits are different and i think almost all flowers and fruits bear pedicel.

So, only chance left to me is to vote for Xylosoma sp.

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit Koley

[Plantaholic Sheila]

 I would like to thank you all for the research and help you have given me for trying to id this plant.

 

Thank you J.M. Garg for bumping this to the top for further help from everyone.

 

Special thanks to Prashant for the suggestion of Litsea.

 

Also Jui for the suggestion of Casearia and Xylosma.

 

Also Surajit for the suggestion of Litsea monopetala... and Xylosma. and for taking so much trouble in giving me links for these

 

I have tried to look on www for further help.

 But am unable to find any image for Litsea monopetala,that match the leathery leaf, with the curved veins (sort of in loops), small petalled flowers on very short stalks directly from the branches, which bear both buds and flowers together. etc. etc

 

http://www.hkwildlife.net/viewthread.php?tid=40623

 

I believe that Xylosma can be ruled out as it has fruits that are small purple/black berries.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylosma

 

So inspite of all your generous help I still feel that this is unresolved.

 

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[Plantaholic Sheila]

P.S.   I also checked out Syzygium zeylanicum, but did not feel this was a match either.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cp=19&gs_id=7&xhr=t&q=syzygium+zeylanicum&biw=1280&bih=647&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=-rm6T9XOF4n_8QOJr_GzCg

 

This plant was in the grounds of an ancient Palace.

I wonder if maybe it is a special plant befitting  a Royal garden?

 

 

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[Vijayasankar]

How about Symplocos?
Just a guess...
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=2681&flora_id=2

 

Regards 

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[surajit koley]

Good morning Sheila Ji

I love to surf the net and don't know why Garg Sir believed that i knew something on plants!

A great day to you

Regards,

surajit

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again forId confirmation orotherwise please.

Some earlierrelevant feedback:

“Just a wild guess, could this be some Litsea sp.??” from Prashant ji.        

 

“The over all appearance of the plant resembles a Flacouritiaceae member 'Casearia sp'” from Jui ji.

"How about Symplocos?
Just a guess...
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=2681&flora_id=2

Regards   
Vijayasankar Raman"

 

 

 

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From: Plantaholic Sheila <luddi...@talktalk.net>
Date: 9 November 2011 05:33
Subject: [efloraofindia:93079] ANOTHER .....9th NOV 2011.........S.S....... 041
To: indian...@googlegroups.com

[surajit koley]

Sir / Madam,

Taking cue from Vijayasankar Ji searched for Symplocos species, the results are -

• species of Symplocos available in Himalaya/India - http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/Symplocosweb/descriptions.HTM
• not reported (couldn't find one) in India, yet a close match - http://www.duke.edu/~cwcook/trees/syti.html
• reported from Meghalaya - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cSVmTlaPq1ZC8dDEN84R-w
• somewhat matching - http://www.asianplant.net/Symplocaceae/Symplocos_cerasifolia.htm

But the problem lies in the tips of those berries. Symplocos seems to be having persistent calyx tips on their berries.

Thank you & Regards,

Surajit

[surajit koley]

This might be Ilex sp., like - http://www.asianflora.com/Aquifoliaceae/Ilex-hookeri.htm

Thank you

Regards,

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"Please find Plant ID for link below:

 

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/0shDYnSaSEM

 

Not sure about third image where leaf margins are entire and secondary veins are not prominent.

Plant species:    Symplocos glomerata King ex C.B. Clarke

Family:                  Symplocaceae

 

Key to identify this species:

1.       Petals connate only at very base

2.       inflorescences not terminal

3.       Flowers in a more than 3-flowered inflorescence

4.       Inflorescences a sessile cluster

5.       Leaf blade glabrous

6.       Leaf blade margin without glands

7.       Stamens about 30

 

Native distribution:         Asia temperate (China); Asia tropical (Bangladesh; Bhutan; India - Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Manipur, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Sikkim, West Bengal; Nepal, Indo-China, Malesia)          

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Varun"

 

Thanks, Varun ji.

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Date: 9 November 2011 at 05:33
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To: indian...@googlegroups.com

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[surajit koley]

Many thanks Garg Sir for the id update. I forgot this one.... it is quite amusing to go through my own history!

Regards

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

Can it be Symplocos ramosissima ? as per

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=2879&flora_id=2

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200017691

rather than Symplocos glomerata as per

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200017657

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=2681&flora_id=2

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[J.M. Garg]

I will also go with Symplocos glomerata as suggested by Varun ji. 

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[surajit koley]

Thanks Sir, for the updated information. Though I do not know this taxon I tend to agree with you.

With regards,

Surajit Koley

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[J.M. Garg]

Thank, Surajit ji

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