Panel transport - uHaul trailer?

[Tim]

Has anyone used a uHaul cargo trailer (towed) to transport panels? If so, which size did you rent? Do you know if the smallest sized will fit the panels in the door? (the 4x6)

We know we can strap them to the roof of our car, but last year we were overloaded as-is, even without a yurt.

 

Lastly, I've heard horror stories about renting from uHaul for the burn. Does this apply to cargo trailers? If so, does anyone know of a safer choice as far as rental companies go? I checked out United Rentals but couldn't find anything along these lines. 

Thanks!

[Milt Fisher]

How are you going to get 8 foot panels in a 4x6 trailer, even if they would fit through the door?

I rented a U-haul 5x8 cargo trailer in 2011 to carry my stretch hexayurt.  The 8 foot length was just barely NOT long enough.  I had to put the hexayurt in at a diagonal, making it difficult to load other items, and awkward to get in and out of the trailer.  If you have a traditional hexayurt (H12), you would have to put it at even more of a diagonal than I did since the stack is about twice as high.

I would highly recommend a 5x10 trailer, but there is a big jump in price between 5x8 and 5x10.

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[Tim Cannady]

Hi Milt,

Thanks for chiming in with your experiences. Basically exactly what I was looking for.

I think we should probably just strap the (sandwiched) material to our roof, and then use a 4x6 or 5x8 to store normal burn gear.

That said, has anyone had issues with renting uHaul trailers for the burn?

Thanks all, happy Saturday!

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[Milt Fisher]

I didn't have any issue.  Of course,  I didn't tell them I was going to BM.  I just cleaned it out really well when I got back (hosed the inside and outside) and returned it without any problems.

[Ronald Pottol]

You might want to look at just buying a small folding flat bed trailer. They fold aft of the wheels so you can stand them up in your parking place for storage. A few years ago, for a move, I looked at them, and it was not much more than a rental. Do be aware of speed restrictions with a trailer. 

Plato seems wrong to me today.

[Milt Fisher]

Don't forget that if you get a trailer, you will need to have it registered with DMV.  (The licensing agent for your state, not the BM Department of Mutant Vehicles :) )

[Ray Kornele]

Have you checked Rent-A-Wreck? They are usually cheaper on car rentals.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Tim <timca...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Ray S]

I rented a trailer from U-Haul for the burn in 2011.  I got the 5'x9' Utility Trailer and am sure it would have fit my panels laying down, but I didn't use it for that as I had a small mutated vehicle I needed bring.  I didn't mention I was going to Burning Man, but I did tell them I'm going out of state and back with it but they didn't ask for any details so I just didn't bring it up.  The trailer was pretty beat up to begin with, so when I got back I just hosed it down, brought it back and didn't have any problems.

That being said, I've also always brought a standard H12 on the roof rack of either a Ford Ranger or Toyota Tacoma (Camper shell on the back with roof rack) since 2010.  I use tie downs and the normal methods of sandwiching between plywood and have never had any problems.  In 2013 I ended up buying a 6'x12' Utility Trailer so I could bring my mutant vehicle and gear a bit easier, was tired of renting year after year.

If your looking into a trailer, depending on what size you get, you may spend upwards of $150-$200+.  If your thinking of going again in the future, it may be worth while trying to invest in a small 4'x8' trailer like they have at Harbor Freight.  They do have some that fold down as well, for easy storage.  Check these out: http://www.harborfreight.com/1195-lb-capacity-48-inch-x-96-inch-heavy-duty-foldable-utility-trailer-with-12-inch-wheels-90154.html .  They have a couple different ones, and Harbor Freight has these on sale from time to time or you can use a 20% off coupon (which they frequently have available as well).  You could easily use these and with some good tie downs they sell to secure your hexayurt and gear.

Hope this helps,

-Ray

[Ronald Pottol]

Damn, that's cheap, though read the reviews for critical sounding tips about it. I guess I need one, at that price.

Plato seems wrong to me today.

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[hal muskat]

Anyone have any experience building a small shelter using RMax, for a generator?

The gen has wheels, so can be wheeled in to a small structure.

Venting would be important. One or two foldable pieces would be perfect. Seems basic “A Frame” would work.

Mahalo for any thoughts.

peace, Phoenix

[Dano McKagan]

I imagine an effective solution would involve surrounding the generator with mass (to deaden the sound) instead of foam.

I'm no sound expert, particularly with sound proofing open systems (like machinery), grain of salt and all that. There are some pretty good articles about *home* soundproofing here:

http://www.soundproofingcompany.com/soundproofing101/

And this has the basics

http://www.soundproofingcompany.com/soundproofing101/4-elements-of-soundproofing-for-construction/

Dano!

[Jason Adams]

I don't think the insulation board would provide as much sound deadening as you hope.  You'd probably want to line with another material of some type.  I can't verify for sure because you would have an enclosed unit, but we had an extra panel trying to deaden a generator, and it didnt feel like it did much

[Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project)]

Foam board is pretty good at muffling high frequencies, but you need mass for low frequencies. Think plywood.

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[Daniel Brown]

I have no information on building generator baffles, but I did build a nice robot out of leftover RMax once. He has a Facebook profile. S Ecret Gentlebot.

This probably doesn't help much.

[Tim]

I'm curious if the Utility Trailers, such as the ones from Harbor Freight, need to be registered at the (California) DMV prior to use. Just want to make sure I don't get caught last-minute with paperwork.

http://www.harborfreight.com/1720-lb-capacity-super-duty-48-inch-x-96-inch-utility-trailer-with-12-inch-five-lug-wheels-and-tires-94564.html

[hal muskat]

Yes, & I believe its like a one time registration. I think anything with motorized wheels on state roads needs reg. 

[Richard Ginn]

Tall enough baffle structure with an open top to let the sound out to the sky?  Then it's a sound reflector and absorber.  Maybe this works? One panel opens and closes to allow access to the generator.

[hal muskat]

I’m thinking these hexayurt panels are meant to insulate weather, not muffle sound . . . . 

[Ray Kornele]

Trailers in CA must be registered. No annual renewal.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)

[CodyFirestone.GMAIL]

If you want a good sound baffle for your generator you need mass, or specific designed sound absorbing material.

The easiest way to get a quiet generator is to BUY a quiet generator.  They are like most things, Cheap Loud Powerful... Pick TWO.  Everyone wants the biggest baddest around, at cheap cost.   but you use a lot less power than you think!  You have to be thoughtful.  Charging phones and such is minimal, using LED lighting, normal camp size sound, all VERY low loads, your generator will mostly idle.

Unless you are running a fridge ( very wasteful, because the gen runs at no power then maxs out while the fridge cools....) most reasonable loads are a fraction of the generators capacity.  

We ran a camp for 8 people and running coffee pots for a morning coffee camp with this ultra quiet model from cost co : 

http://www.costco.com/.product.100121916.html?cm_sp=RichRelevance-_-categorypageHorizontalTop-_-CategoryTopProducts&cm_vc=categorypageHorizontalTop|CategoryTopProducts

it is so quiet that unless you max it out, you can barely hear it .

We put our water around it.  stacks of box water.  After that it was like, "Is the generator running???"

leave the top open to sky.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Ray Kornele <krazyky...@gmail.com> wrote:

Trailers in CA must be registered. No annual renewal.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)

[CodyFirestone.GMAIL]

​If you need BIG power, look at various power sharing between neighbors.  You would be surprised how many idling generators are doing nothing at burning man all day.

If you have placement, check with the neighbors!  I know SNOCone Solar around k and 7th usually have opportunities for community power at BRC>  they power multiple camps.

If you plan to camp near a big placed camp, say a theme camp, then contact them and ask.. do you use commercial power?  the big commercial 25K gen sets that big camp use are plenty of power, most of the time.  they run 24/7  but unless they are blasting max power, usually idle also.  You could pat a small fee for a extension cord run to your camp.

Offer of a five gallon can of gas to a neighbor with a gen set gives you a lot of "wiggle room" to run a extension cord their way.  as long as you are just charging small devices, using a battery charger to top off you battery for ligths at night, etc.  should not be a problem.

Also consider SMALL solar.

The Black Rock Desert is awesome for SOLAR!

You can get a 45 watt panel set for about 150 dollars with coupon.  add in a golf cart battery for about 100 dollars, and you have PLENTY of power for a small camp.

Cheaper, quiet, not fumes, fire risk, etc.   cant go wrong!

( 12 hours sun x45 watts 12vdc = ​540 watt hours of sun energy.  thats like 2 big batteries worth.