Moheeb Zara wrote:
> The rules of the VONC require a vote to fill the position immediately
> after.
the 'none of the above' (aka explicit abstain) vote option should still apply,
or did your proposal eliminate that voting option without making it obvious?
David Lang
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2026 at 2:56 AM SM Newstead <
smpne...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You rather twisted my words and their intent around, Moheeb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, I was certain to say nothing that could even be construed as *ad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hominem. *And you say "whether true or not," but that's kind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neutral person should replace DL if it comes to that. Someone who *wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *to all on their own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you can nobly say you want to nominate people who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crave power (though this is not Luis at all, though he usually uses other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways) but you went against our long-lived desire to *not *force
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people into uncomfortable situations without their consent. Him agreeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't mean it's anyone's place to pressure anyone else into the board and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we've had this position for many, many years. But of course no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consulted the board. In fact, the board used to replace board members and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now we don't do that anymore, and no one even checked about the logistics
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or specifications for this brand-new method. You guys keep undercutting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> board and it's unskillful at best, unkind at worst.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You guys want anonymity, fine. Luis challenged me to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey about him, so I think I will. It will be anonymous. You will find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that most people love and support Luis. I think most people love Luis, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, but you will find a disturbing percentage that believe things about him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are not cool. Things that hurt people as much as the DL rhetoric
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing, or even more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 8:26 PM Moheeb Zara <
mohee...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaundra has stated that though she believes Luis' internal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent/priorities are isolated to his own area of focus, *he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is still someone she personally likes and that he served well on the board.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Thats very in the spirit of HSL, we can disagree on some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff and might not have the best opinions of eachother in certain areas,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but *at the end of the day those that care about the lab and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the community serve it well. *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will only disagree with your statement /that those that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self-nominate serve better/, I'm a big proponent of the lessons learned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Cincinatus, essentially *those that seek authority are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often least suited for it*. I know as a matter of fact Luis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically has not run for the board in years so that others could have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance to serve, same reason I stepped down, but in the context of why this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nomination needs to happen I believe he is best suited, he doesnt want this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job, trust me, but he can do it well until we get to the next election in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> October.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Eric makes a good point about contentious claims* that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require substantiation (wether true or not) are better suited to in-person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when possible to avoid a lengthy heated back and forth on the mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *but* just as well *Shaundra makes a very good point about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility* and the norm to be transparent about your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the mailing list. This and HYH are the official venues of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate, but we should adhere to the general rules of healthy debate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refrain from anything that can be *perceived* as ad hominem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://lumencanvas.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/artifacts/hsl15.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanted to add, if you look at the data presented in this link,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll see that a lot of the peaks in growth and much of the hours and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programming at the lab can be attributed to efforts spearheaded by Luis or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the time of his tenure on the board. *Luis has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> historically always brought in more members and fostered them. He is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avid enabler (sometimes to a fault lol) of people who want to do stuff at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lab. *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luis has consistently spent time at the lab in person meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and interacting with people within the space and supporting them. Its no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secret that he has a blunt nature in his messaging style which can easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be misconstrued (can say that about most people that frequent the online
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comms). This has led to some isolated interpersonnal problems which I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can easily be solved with a conversation. This is to be expected in a large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and diverse community.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In person Luis is very nice albeit occasionally cras* but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has always treated people with respect, even those he disagrees with. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had heated disagreements with him, he does keep an open mind and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are able to resolve things in a pretty healthy manner. Believe it or not we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree on quite a bit even stuff unrelated to the lab. Recently I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misguidedly overstepped and moved the Bike Station that he currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> champions without discussing with him. He was upset, made it clear it wasnt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cool. We talked it out rather quickly, he didnt like it but he understood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my reasoning and would adapt to find a better place for it if he can and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hold resentment towards me or attack me over it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *The day time hours hes hosted for the last 15 or so years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have always had a great turnout with probably like 50-100 different people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that come out, some regularly, some occasionally, *but I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen people who show up during C&C show up at night. Its been an invaluable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of our regular and consistent programming. Its often the re-entry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point for many members who return after hiatus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also seen him support other stations and make a point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to respect them, counter to what I've heard from others. I can only speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to what I have seen. He is always quick to contribute to the lab. *Beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 30k donation, he spent thousands on furniture for the lab, on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hackathons, and various other things. Not to say one should be able to buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favor, but hes never done it for favor, hes done it because he saw a need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've probably boasted about it on his behalf more than he has, because most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people have no idea what hes contributed financially. *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLDR, to repeat what I said in my original post, sometimes he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be a donkey's butt, but hes HSL through and through and has always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fought for the members and for the space and has genuinely been a major
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributor in why HeatSync is still around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 30, 2026 at 5:43:31 PM UTC-7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
smpne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know I am bedridden and have no other voice. Running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for/being part of an office is a public thing, as was made clear by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent events. The declaration is made in writing, and the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens in writing, as usual. Pointing out my legitimate concerns in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> totally civilized manner is certainly not "negative," even if you disagree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it, and you trying to take away my voice when you know I am bedridden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is frankly ableist. I am lending my concerns as an eight-year board member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and people have a right to hear something other than an echo chamber. Do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not try to silence people, thank you. We have always had relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions *before *HYH, not* during. *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 5:36 PM Eric Ose <
eric...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaundra,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would encourage you not spread negativity about people via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the public forum regardless of how vaguely. I have made this mistake and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why we shouldn't do it. Despite the recent examples of this happening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is preferred that people bring their concerns to the relevant HYH for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I support Luis for the champion role. I appreciate my time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a board member with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Ose
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