Delegate API

[Rob Barnes]

This is more of a general question, not something that I'm having a problem with, but I saw this come across today - https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2018/10/gmail-api-delegate-access.html and I'm curious how this is different than what GAM is already doing to assign delegates via the API?  I thought this was already a capability in GAM?

[Jay Lee]

GAM 4.61 already uses the new Gmail API for delegation. The old API is being turned down at some point soon and so you should upgrade and move over.

There's not a lot of admin-level difference in how the delegation command behaves although this new API should be more graceful in some cases. For example, if a PENDING delegation invitation already exists, the old API would throw an error and the only fix was to log in as the user and remove the pending status. The new API just does the right thing and overwrites the pending with a complete delegation.

Jay

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:06 PM Rob Barnes <robby....@springmobile.com> wrote:

This is more of a general question, not something that I'm having a problem with, but I saw this come across today - https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2018/10/gmail-api-delegate-access.html and I'm curious how this is different than what GAM is already doing to assign delegates via the API?  I thought this was already a capability in GAM?

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[Rob Barnes]

Thanks for the explanation!

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 3:12:37 PM UTC-6, Jay Lee wrote:

GAM 4.61 already uses the new Gmail API for delegation. The old API is being turned down at some point soon and so you should upgrade and move over.

There's not a lot of admin-level difference in how the delegation command behaves although this new API should be more graceful in some cases. For example, if a PENDING delegation invitation already exists, the old API would throw an error and the only fix was to log in as the user and remove the pending status. The new API just does the right thing and overwrites the pending with a complete delegation.

Jay

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:06 PM Rob Barnes <robby....@springmobile.com> wrote:

This is more of a general question, not something that I'm having a problem with, but I saw this come across today - https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2018/10/gmail-api-delegate-access.html and I'm curious how this is different than what GAM is already doing to assign delegates via the API?  I thought this was already a capability in GAM?

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[Unhappy Buckaroo]

Hi Jay:

How long has GAM been using the new API?

Any idea how long it's been for GAM-ADV?

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 3:12:37 PM UTC-6, Jay Lee wrote:

GAM 4.61 already uses the new Gmail API for delegation. The old API is being turned down at some point soon and so you should upgrade and move over.

There's not a lot of admin-level difference in how the delegation command behaves although this new API should be more graceful in some cases. For example, if a PENDING delegation invitation already exists, the old API would throw an error and the only fix was to log in as the user and remove the pending status. The new API just does the right thing and overwrites the pending with a complete delegation.

Jay

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:06 PM Rob Barnes <robby....@springmobile.com> wrote:

This is more of a general question, not something that I'm having a problem with, but I saw this come across today - https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2018/10/gmail-api-delegate-access.html and I'm curious how this is different than what GAM is already doing to assign delegates via the API?  I thought this was already a capability in GAM?

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[Jay Lee]

Since 4.61:

https://github.com/jay0lee/GAM/releases/tag/v4.61

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:20 PM Unhappy Buckaroo <andrew...@spschools.org> wrote:

Hi Jay:

How long has GAM been using the new API?

Any idea how long it's been for GAM-ADV?

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 3:12:37 PM UTC-6, Jay Lee wrote:

GAM 4.61 already uses the new Gmail API for delegation. The old API is being turned down at some point soon and so you should upgrade and move over.

There's not a lot of admin-level difference in how the delegation command behaves although this new API should be more graceful in some cases. For example, if a PENDING delegation invitation already exists, the old API would throw an error and the only fix was to log in as the user and remove the pending status. The new API just does the right thing and overwrites the pending with a complete delegation.

Jay

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:06 PM Rob Barnes <robby....@springmobile.com> wrote:

This is more of a general question, not something that I'm having a problem with, but I saw this come across today - https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2018/10/gmail-api-delegate-access.html and I'm curious how this is different than what GAM is already doing to assign delegates via the API?  I thought this was already a capability in GAM?

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[Penner, Andrew]

How about the Gmail API, vs. the old email API?

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[Jay Lee]

Lot's of info in the release notes...

git.io/gam-releases

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[Penner, Andrew]

Thanks!

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[Ross Scroggs]

GAMADV-X(TD) - 4.60.13, 08/25/2018

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[+KimNilsson]

What the new Gmail API doesn't have is delegate access to Contacts, which was "included" in the old API. Afaik, it was an automatic effect of delegating the Gmail account, not a separate API call.

This currently means that users with the New Gmail interface, which will be forced on 16 Oct, are not able to access the Contacts of the delegated Gmail account, since there's no link in the delegated Gmail interface to Contacts. The entire app grid is removed.

Secondly, even if there were such a link, the contacts wouldn't be delegated, since I said it's no longer included in the Gmail API, and apparently there's no such API call in any other API either... :-(

At least that's what I've learnt so far. I called the support earlier today, and was after a long time transferred to the Gmail team, and they are supposed to get back to me.

[Penner, Andrew]

Yeah, we've been dreading October 16th ever since the new Gmail interface came out.

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[Jay Lee]

The limitation is with the new Gmail UI, it has absolutely nothing to do with the delegation APIs.

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[Kim Nilsson]

That's good news. 

But, where is the delegation API for Contacts? 

Or is the new Gmail delegate API supposed to work the same as the old? Delegate the email and automatically get access to the delegated account's Contacts? 

I couldn't see any such references. Granted, I only think I know what I'm looking for. I could easily have overlooked something. I just didn't see any words referring to Contacts when I looked there. 

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[Penner, Andrew]

I haven't found a comprehensive list of APIs either, but I haven't seen anything that specifies Contacts. There's apparently a People API, but I can't tell if it's current.

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[Jay Lee]

FYI, Google does have a workaround solution for this available but it requires you to be whitelisted.

You'll need to file a Google support ticket requesting whitelisting and referencing internal issue 115433759.

Jay

On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 12:38:26 PM UTC-4, Unhappy Buckaroo wrote:

I haven't found a comprehensive list of APIs either, but I haven't seen anything that specifies Contacts. There's apparently a People API, but I can't tell if it's current.

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On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:27 AM Kim Nilsson <there.is.no.substitute@gmail.com> wrote:

That's good news. 

But, where is the delegation API for Contacts? 

Or is the new Gmail delegate API supposed to work the same as the old? Delegate the email and automatically get access to the delegated account's Contacts? 

I couldn't see any such references. Granted, I only think I know what I'm looking for. I could easily have overlooked something. I just didn't see any words referring to Contacts when I looked there. 

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Den tors 11 okt. 2018 17:57Jay Lee <jay...@gmail.com> skrev:

The limitation is with the new Gmail UI, it has absolutely nothing to do with the delegation APIs.

Jay

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[Kim Nilsson]

Thanks for updating the thread, Jay. 

I totally forgot to. 

I have been whitelisted for one of my G Suite accounts, and another is on its way. 

Ross also included an update code so one can re-delegate current delegated user accounts. 

[Steve - DynTech]

Kim - What was the whitelisting process like with Google Support? Once enabled, what does the gam command look like or is it standard Gmail delegation that then works with Contacts?

[Kim Nilsson]

Hi Steve! 

I just talked to the support, referencing the need after this specific UI change, and they whitelisted me internally. 

Yes, I'm using the regular delegate commands in GAMADV-XTD. 

IIRC, you can delegate Contacts separately, but if you delegate Gmail, Contacts will also be delegated. 

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[Penner, Andrew]

How do you access the delegated contacts once that's done?

I have an account I've been delegated, but with the new email gui, there's no way to see the contacts.

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[Bradley Stinson]

You should be able to head to https://contacts.google.com/ and then use the profile switcher at the top right corner to jump between the accounts.

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[Kim Nilsson]

No, the delegated contacts are available further down to the left, as a "label", under the special section called Delegated contacts.

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