Let's start a school! I'm looking for a founding group!!!

[Liz Witbeck]

Okay everybody, I am absolutely 100% serious about starting a new school in the Saratoga Springs, NY area. I have been talking to people but my friends aren't really into this kind of thing, I am not sure how to go about finding founding members. If you are at all interested in starting a founding group/teaching, please contact me at elizabet...@yahoo.com

And even if you are not... could I please get some advice on how to go about finding founding members to join me? Thank you!

[Cassi Clausen]

Liz--

I don't live in the area, but am part of a founding group for a school in Orange County, California. I started by just putting up a simple website (had to pick a name, but I knew it was a place holder), sending emails to everyone I knew, holding informational meetings, and, most importantly, putting a link to my site from Wikipedia. There are two lists: list of democratic schools and list of Sudbury schools. Out of the three additional founders, two of them found me through Wikipedia, and it's the site that gives us the second most referrals to this day (first is Facebook, so start a Facebook page too). If people are looking for schools like ours in your area, they often check Wikipedia. It's a great way to raise your flag and see who responds.

Cassi

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Okay everybody, I am absolutely 100% serious about starting a new school in the Saratoga Springs, NY area. I have been talking to people but my friends aren't really into this kind of thing, I am not sure how to go about finding founding members. If you are at all interested in starting a founding group/teaching, please contact me at elizabet...@yahoo.com

And even if you are not... could I please get some advice on how to go about finding founding members to join me? Thank you!

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[Liz Witbeck]

Cassi, thank you for your quick reply :)  By the way I am out here living in California right now... I will return to New York this summer but I've been following the development of Open School, just haven't had a chance to make it down to the OC!

On Friday, May 17, 2013 12:53:50 PM UTC-7, Cassi Clausen wrote:

Liz--

I don't live in the area, but am part of a founding group for a school in Orange County, California. I started by just putting up a simple website (had to pick a name, but I knew it was a place holder), sending emails to everyone I knew, holding informational meetings, and, most importantly, putting a link to my site from Wikipedia. There are two lists: list of democratic schools and list of Sudbury schools. Out of the three additional founders, two of them found me through Wikipedia, and it's the site that gives us the second most referrals to this day (first is Facebook, so start a Facebook page too). If people are looking for schools like ours in your area, they often check Wikipedia. It's a great way to raise your flag and see who responds.

Cassi

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And even if you are not... could I please get some advice on how to go about finding founding members to join me? Thank you!

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[Melinda Cooper]

Hi Liz,

I second Cassi's suggestions. I'm hoping to start a Sudury model school in Sydney Australia. I'm not at the stage of a real website, but I have created a facebook page (facebook.com/SudburySchoolInSydney) and put the link to it on both those wikipedia pages (well, not the link, wikipedia doesn't like facebook links if they are not official things, but I put a note on wikipedia which should guide people to the page). When you do get something up and running let us know and we can help promote :) I've only got a small page, and there are only 100 people liking it.. but it still may help.

Also, the Planning Kit is on sale (400 from 675) until the end of this month, so you may wanna consider getting that if you haven't already done so. I'm hoping to get it myself :)

All the best!

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[Cassi Clausen]

Ah yes, the planning kit. I got that too, and it's ponderous, to say the least. It's great to have all of the literature, and it was very inspirational to me at the beginning, but then it began to get a little stressful. When you keep reading about how hard it is to start a school, and everything involved in it, you start to stress before there's anything to stress about. I say, get it, but take it with a grain of salt.

Also, I'd like to note that the "Starting a Sudbury School" book is helpful, but dated. Most of the schools were started before the internet was really used for marketing, and they talk about sending out flier, and doing other old-school things. Also, we are starting from a different set of assumptions about fundraising than most schools start with, so a lot of the statements from that book didn't really apply to the way we are doing it. Fundraising and marketing are just two of the areas that have been drastically affected by the internet, and they aren't at all addressed in the literature. 

Cassi

[ecky-bay]

This is Becky from Leeway Sudbury School in San Diego.
We all found each other using Meetup. It's especially helpful because you can find other groups in your area that categorize themselves in "alternative education" and "attachment parenting", etc. We still get families from Meetup, too!

[maria salles]

Hello everyone,  

I´m in the early early stages of the process here in Brazil, I´ve read most of the planning kit and started a small study group. There is a long way to go, so thank you Liz for starting this discussion, its been very helpful. 

I am starting a facebook page in portuguese.

Maria.

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> This is Becky from Leeway Sudbury School in San Diego.
> We all found each other using Meetup. It's especially helpful because you can find other groups in your area that categorize themselves in "alternative education" and "attachment parenting", etc. We still get families from Meetup, too!
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[Jill Brunak]

Hello Liz,

I'm also "100% in" on starting a Sudbury school. I'm a Northern Californian who will be moving to New York in the near future.  I always have my radar out for the "needle in the haystack" that the original founders describe finding fellow founders :) Where in California are you currently situated?

Jill Brunak

 

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Liz Witbeck <beanert...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Okay everybody, I am absolutely 100% serious about starting a new school in the Saratoga Springs, NY area. I have been talking to people but my friends aren't really into this kind of thing, I am not sure how to go about finding founding members. If you are at all interested in starting a founding group/teaching, please contact me at elizabet...@yahoo.com

And even if you are not... could I please get some advice on how to go about finding founding members to join me? Thank you!

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[Elisabeth Wertheim]

Here's a tidbit from another Liz.

I was part of Sudbury Maui for six years. I am thrilled to hear of all the hitech ways to reach potential families. 

I wish to add that once you start your Founders Group,it is a process of people coming in and gradually "getting it" or not and dropping out  -  in other words there is a spin off as a core group gradually forms. So keep the Faith and talk, talk, talk.

Perhaps you can find graduates in your area from Sudbury schools and invite them to your group  -  there is nothing like hearing the experiences from the mouths of grads.

[Liz Witbeck]

Hi Jill - Right now I'm in San Luis Obispo, on the Central Coast!

Thank you so much for all of your suggestions, everybody. I've already added us on Wiki and Facebook! The Meetup idea is great too. I agree that technology has made marketing, networking, fundraising, etc. so much easier.

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:51:42 AM UTC-7, Jilly wrote:

Hello Liz,

I'm also "100% in" on starting a Sudbury school. I'm a Northern Californian who will be moving to New York in the near future.  I always have my radar out for the "needle in the haystack" that the original founders describe finding fellow founders :) Where in California are you currently situated?

Jill Brunak

 

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And even if you are not... could I please get some advice on how to go about finding founding members to join me? Thank you!

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[Melinda Cooper]

Hey Liz,

Are you sure you put it on the wiki pages? I couldn't find anything underneath the New York sections..   (although I have no idea what you would have called it!). You've got be careful with putting direct facebook links onto the wiki pages, the wikipedia bots will automatically remove it. You can check out how I've included by facebook page on those sites (without using a direct link) if you have a look under the Australia>New South Wales sections.

You wanna send us your link? I'm sure there are many here who can help promote your page :) I know I certainly will.

Meetup is a great idea too. Will definitely be making use of it in the future.

Regards,

Melinda

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[Cassi Clausen]

A note about Meetup. I know that Leeway hasn't had any problem using it, but I heard from another founder's group in Atlanta (I think) whose group was taken down by Meetup because of some term of service that said you can't use it to promote a business, or some such thing. We never dealt with that because we started our Meetup group with a slightly different focus. Instead of just trying to get people who were interested (or had even heard about) Sudbury, we started a group called "Education Revolution" and created meetups about the larger conversation of changing education. Many of our members are homeschoolers, and many are unschoolers, and many have kids in traditional schools but are looking for something else. About 1/4 or 1/3 have heard of democratic schooling, but many of them never have, so we have the opportunity to take people who are fed up with the system, and starting to think differently, and then educate them about a different way of approaching learning. It's helping us to market, and to create more people who are starting the journey towards autodidactism. It has the broader mission of affecting learning in all circles, not just in our group on the fringe. We are aiming to start changing public schools too, or at least give parents some tools to talk to their kids' teachers and principals.

Also, Meetup costs money, if you don't know that already. It's about $19 a month, so not cheap. We happened to have a founder who already had an account for another organization, so we didn't have to foot the bill. If you don't have access to an existing account, you will want to make sure you are ready to fork over the cash and that you are ready to organize and hold events.

Cassi

[Elisabeth Wertheim]

Do you all know about AERO? their web site has much good info about democratic schools...  and has been going a long time with annual conferences and workshops plus great books.

[Cassi Clausen]

Yes, our founder's group went to the AERO conference last year, and it was wonderful. I definitely recommend it if you can afford to go. They are actually holding their conference in New York starting in 3 days. There is also the IDEC, which will be in the US this year (Boulder, CO), and it's our dream to go. Not everyone at the conferences hold the same philosophy, but all of the attendees are dedicated to making changes to the way children are viewed and the basic assumptions of education. It's great for networking, and getting really inspired and excited. 

Cassi

[Chris Enock]

Hi Liz, 

I Live in NYC and have family in Saratoga Springs. I would be interested in exploring the idea / helping with founding a school. Not sure how practical for me in Saratoga, but you never know. I'm also interested in any goings-on in the NYC area if you know of anything.

Thanks,

Chris

[Liz Witbeck]

Thank you Chris for your interest! I unfortunately don't know about anything going on in NYC... there's already a couple democratic schools down there and I'm not sure there's a market to open up a new one. Anyway, I'm glad to have supporters, whether they are nearby or far away!

[Jeffery Collins]

Hi Chris,

Have you visited the Hudson Valley Sudbury School in Woodstock, NY?

Jeff Collins

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[Shannon ONeill]

I'd also be very interested but I am moving to Colorado. There's one not too far from where I'll be moving so I don't think there's a market there either unfortunately.

Shannon ONeill

[Bruce Smith]

Shannon, as a staff member at Alpine Valley School, I'd love to know where "not too far" might be, as well as what your thoughts are on starting and/or joining a Sudbury school.

Bruce

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[demian schwartz]

Well I wasn't sure there was a market for one in Eugene (Oregon) either so I just opened one....didn't I make it sound easy.

I wanted to wait until we had 40 kids before we opened, but we started with 25 and we're growing. It's not easy (that's an understatement) but it's great (and exhausting) 

We had no money- I don't recommend that, and only a handful of people- I don't recommend that either. But now we have a lot of committed people and only one month did we make less money than we spent. Kinahoorah (Yiddish spellcheck please) 

So I recommend you find your people, raise some money, find a building- put some cool stuff in it and jump. The more uptight/responsible people in your group will be wracked with stress for a couple of years (at least) and other people will be wondering why they are so stressed out, but you'll need all of them. 

We kept asking ourselves in the beginning if there was a market, and we finally figured if we didn't open we'd never really find out. 

Good luck to all of you fighting the good fight!

Demian

Eugene Sudbury School

[Liz Witbeck]

I agree, Demian. I love marketing and it is super important but I feel like if I do too much time doing market research I will never actually get anything started. Also, I am completely that uptight person who will be wracked with stress for a couple of years ;)

[Shannon ONeill]

Bruce, I will be moving to Boulder and the Alpine Valley School is the school I was referring to. I love the Sudbury school model and would love to join/start a Sudbury school. I've been interested in the model for about 10 years and the more I learn, the more I believe in the model.

Shannon ONeill

[Zara Mass]

Anyone in central MA ? l am looking for a founding partner.

[Derek Luke]

How about Alaska? Anyone interested in opening one up north? :-)

[Chris Enock]

Hi all,

I'm going to see about building a network in the NYC area. I will keep you posted on progress.

Chris

[Liz Witbeck]

Chris I don't live in NYC but if you wanted to start a school I would move there to help you! As long as I was paid wages to help me live in NYC without going broke ;)

[Chris Enock]

Hi Liz,

That's a nice thought! :)

Chris

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[Chris Enock]

Hi everyone, just an FYI of what I've been up to recently:

I've joined a meetup group called "Rethink learning NYC" and attended their first meeting. I discussed the Sudbury model with about 4 or 5 people, none of whom had heard of it. I'd say that out of the 30 or so people who attended the meeting, probably none of them had heard of Sudbury. Crazy, but of course expected. 

I also started my own meetup group called "Freedom & Democracy in Education - Discuss Sudbury School". So far not much traction on this, but it will take time. I wrote a brief description of the Sudbury model to use as an introduction to the meet up. Here it is:

About Sudbury Schools

If you were to visit a Sudbury school, you would find individuals and groups of age mixed kids and young adults from 4 to 19 years old, talking, playing, reading, thinking, watching, exploring, doing anything they might choose to do, in different areas of the school. You would also see adult staff members present but taking a back seat and providing input only when students reach out to them for it. You would see a school meeting take place where everyone, students and staff alike, have an equal say in establishing and enforcing the rules of the school from determining how the various departments operate like the the kitchen and music room for example, to what the specific consequences for an infraction are going to be, to determining salaries, staffing and school budgets. 

This is a profoundly different scene from what we are used to at school. No regimented teaching. No testing. No prescribed curriculum. No age segregated classes. No adults making the rules and administering the structure and content to kids. All of these adult-driven authoritarian constructs have been replaced by a peer-based open framework of freedom and democracy. In a nutshell, kids spending their time freely, in whatever way they choose, in a community they help run as a participatory democracy.

In existence since 1967, today there are 30+ Sudbury schools around the world and growing, and together they represent significant experience putting this model into practice. They find that their students are self confident, articulate, happy, know themselves well, are comfortable with risk, good with people, collaborative, creative, competitive with themselves but not against others, are analytical, have an inner calm, a strong sense of responsibility, tend to interact in a non authoritarian democratic mode, are good at working towards finding their passion in life, and do extremely well in post secondary education and in their lives generally.

Anyway thats the scoop. I'm hoping to visit an open house at SVS sometime this year. I'd really like to visit the school at some point!

Best,

Chris

 

[Cassi Clausen]

Just wanted to let you know that we are a founders group in Orange County, CA and use Meetup quite successfully. I know that Leeway Sudbury also started a meetup group to get the word out. They were much more straight forward in their approach. We're a little sneaky. :)

We started a group called Education Revolution devoted to starting a conversation about changing the way we think about education. We host monthly speakers and events, and attracted a LOT of homeschoolers, many of whom are unschoolers. We were very up front that we are founds of The Open School, but didn't do many info meetings at the outset. We hosted (and will host more) graduated of Sudbury Schools, unschooling speakers, a speaker about video games, etc. Then, once we had an active community, we started throwing info meetings in there. This way, some people who hadn't heard of Sudbury and might not join a Sudbury group got a chance to think about it and ask questions. We are really happy with the way this has gone. In just under a year, we have over 200 members, and our meetups bring about 20-30 people. 

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[Sally Rosloff]

Cassie,

I live in the San Fernando Valley and have seen your posts but not lately.  Glad to hear it's going well and kudos to you for your successful strategy!  My kids are now young adults, we wished there had been a Sudbury School around where we are years ago.

Sally

[Karoline Altman]

I'm in Anchorage and interested, where in Alaska are you? :)

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:42:01 PM UTC-8, dtl5017 wrote:

How about Alaska? Anyone interested in opening one up north? :-)

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Zara Mass <zahram...@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone in central MA ? l am looking for a founding partner.

On May 24, 2013 1:22 PM, "Liz Witbeck" <beanert...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thank you Chris for your interest! I unfortunately don't know about anything going on in NYC... there's already a couple democratic schools down there and I'm not sure there's a market to open up a new one. Anyway, I'm glad to have supporters, whether they are nearby or far away!

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Hi Liz, 

I Live in NYC and have family in Saratoga Springs. I would be interested in exploring the idea / helping with founding a school. Not sure how practical for me in Saratoga, but you never know. I'm also interested in any goings-on in the NYC area if you know of anything.

Thanks,

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[Liz Witbeck]

Chris, I joined your meetup group :)  Hope to actually meetup sometime!

[Chris Enock]

Hi Liz, 

Awesome, and keep me posted with your Sudbury endeavors as well. Paige ( meetup member) and I met last week. Our first official meetup!  Felt great!  Hopefully more and more momentum in the future. 

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Chris, I joined your meetup group :)  Hope to actually meetup sometime!

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