Can introduce a inverted polyA signal flanked by Flex in intron to generate conditional KO animal?

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wYE

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Dec 4, 2014, 10:44:25 PM12/4/14
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Dear All:

I just came up with a design not sure if it could work. Would really appreciate some input.

I am trying to simplify the process of generating a conditional KO mice in my system by designing a universal stop cassette.              

Instead of inserting 2 loxPs in different locations/introns of the gene, I am planning on to insert an inverted polyA signal (say SV40 early polyA) flanked by Flex in one of the introns.

In the presence of Cre, the inverted polyA will be 'corrected', which should result in transcription termination in this intron and generating a 3’ truncated transcript.

Does anyone know a good flex combination that are proven to work? (Which version of loxP works the best for this kind of purpose, I found too many possible combinations online and got confused)

And most importantly, would it be practical to introduce such casette(probably ~ 350bp long) by HDR after DSB mediated by RNA? In traditional homology recombination I have done much larger cassette but in that case a little loss of efficiency was not a concern, we had to pick hundreds of clones anyway.

Thank you very much!

 

Peppe

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Dec 8, 2014, 4:41:30 PM12/8/14
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Hi there,

I was actually thinking at the same strategy. It did sound so simple to me that must be wrong. Glad to see this message. 
I have some AAV vectors that use  the 2loxP system in order to be activated only in Cre neurons, but I am not sure that will work also if inserted into the host DNA.
We have some mouse lines made using this principle, though the polyA cassette is much bigger.

Cheers,
P

Miranda Wilson

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Dec 9, 2014, 5:12:26 AM12/9/14
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Wow, this is a really interesting idea. I have been trying to put in two loxP sites around my exon but this is much better - only need one inserted sequence. I suppose the main downside is that any regulatory stuff in the 3' UTR will also be lost, while normal flox strategy should preserve the mRNA.

Peppe, can you share some more details on the mouse lines you mentioned?

Peppe

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Dec 9, 2014, 6:27:21 AM12/9/14
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Hi there,

after reading wYE's post I realized I  misunderstood it. He's willing to make a WT>KO transition, while I was referring to a KO>conditionalWT. Sorry about that. However, I'm still interested in both options.

The mice I was referring to have a transcriptional blocker on aspecific genes and the CRE can operate the removal of the cassette and restore gene expression in CRE+ cells http://jaxmice.jax.org/strain/006414.html. With this approach my concerns were about the insert size.

Did you manage to correctly flank your exon?

P

Miranda Wilson

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Dec 9, 2014, 6:53:54 AM12/9/14
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Thanks for your reply!

No, I haven't really been able to flank the exon. My donor template has a traditional design with homology arms, upstream antibiotic cassette, and the flanked exon to replace the endogenous exon. My CRISPR nicking pair targets the exon. However, the exon in the donor is acting as a homology arm, so in most clones only the loxP nearest the antibiotic cassette is inserted. The few clones with both loxP sites I've generated also have exon mutations at the CRISPR cut site(s).

I was just trying to redesign my strategy (with CRISPRs cutting exactly where I want the loxP, adding the loxPs one by one if necessary) when I saw yours and wYE's posts. That mouse's transcriptional blocker is indeed a huge sequence! I see the Cre'd mice still show a phenotype - presumably having all those backwards cassettes and sequences in the intron affects transcription. A smaller polyA sequence only, as wYE suggested, should be less likely to mess things up.

wYE

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Dec 9, 2014, 10:07:12 AM12/9/14
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Thanks all for replying! so is there a good Flex sequence I could use? or any suggestions on choosing the version to be used?

wYE

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Dec 9, 2014, 10:08:08 AM12/9/14
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Hi, Peppe: When you say 2Loxp do you mean Flex?

wYE

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Dec 9, 2014, 10:08:54 AM12/9/14
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Did you try to insert two loxp separately?
Thanks for your reply!

Giuseppe D'Agostino

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Dec 9, 2014, 11:43:51 AM12/9/14
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This is a plasmid that contain a flex sequence generated by Sternson's lab at Janelia farm http://www.addgene.org/18925/, I guess you can PCR clone it
I am not sure if flex is gonna work when genetically encoded though

2flox I mean: >cassette> so you get rid off the cassette (for ever) in CRE+ cells

P

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Giuseppe D'Agostino

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Dec 9, 2014, 11:45:19 AM12/9/14
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Yes, the virus has a Flexsystem, correct.

Miranda Wilson

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Dec 10, 2014, 5:50:15 AM12/10/14
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No, I haven't tried to put the loxP in separately yet.

Not sure which would be the best polyA sequence, probably any of the ones used in expression vectors would be fine. Though I would be careful using SV40 since the full length polyA sequence has function in both orientations (early/late).

Most likely I'll design the pieces for the repair template and get the whole thing synthesised as a gBlock.
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