Locking doors system

[Ahoy]

Hi everyone,

we are Ahoy, coworking space from Berlin - Charlottenburg. 

We are planning to open a new coworking space and at the moment we are trying to find the best solution/system for locking doors of the offices and main entrance. We want to provide 24/7 entrance. Currently we are using keys, but this is a big mess:)

We are thinking about magnet cards for locking doors (the same most of hotels have) and also that would be possible to purchase with them at our bar.

Do anyone have any experiences what is the best system and maybe which company can provide us this kind of products, solutions?

Thank you

Cheers!

Tjaša Jarc

Ahoy! Berlin
Windscheidstr. 18
10627 Berlin
T: +49 173 7079148

     

[Harald Amelung]

Ahoi Ahoy!

Have you heard about NoKi?
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Best regards from Stuttgart
Harald

Am 15.04.15 um 15:36 schrieb Ahoy:

> Hi everyone,
>
> we are Ahoy, coworking space from Berlin - Charlottenburg.
> We are planning to open a new coworking space and at the moment we are
> trying to find the best solution/system for locking doors of the offices
> and main entrance. We want to provide 24/7 entrance. Currently we are
> using keys, but this is a big mess:)
>
> We are thinking about magnet cards for locking doors (the same most of
> hotels have) and also that would be possible to purchase with them at
> our bar.
> Do anyone have any experiences what is the best system and maybe which
> company can provide us this kind of products, solutions?
>
> Thank you
> Cheers!

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[Jonathan Markwell]

We're using Clay by Salto at The Skiff: https://my-clay.com/

It's been almost a year since we had them installed. We did loads of research and it was the only system we could install given the way our door frames have been made - the locks work as replacements for standard Euro Locks and Yale Locks - I don't think they work with US standard locks.

Clay take security extremely seriously which has had a negative knock on effect on the user experience - lots of different security codes involved in administration tasks. But it does the job and everyone's agreed that it's far better than how we used to operate with physical keys and leaving the door unlocked during busy periods.

The hardware is rock solid, tried and tested in Hotels and large institutions for years under the Salto brand. Clay is the software layer that's relatively new and makes it easy administer through web and mobile apps.

Let me know if you have any more questions about them. I've been meaning to write up a full review for a while.

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[Jerome Chang]

So basically, we can’t use these in the U.S.?

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[Jonathan Markwell]

Jerome,

I don't think you can. But Salto do have lock hardware for their large scale installations so it might not be that long until they are available.

While I've not used any of the US centric systems you do seem to have more choice and the software seems more mature. I'd be surprised if one of them wasn't better option for you than Clay.

Jon

[Ahoy]

Thank you Jonathan and Harald,

we checked out and both seems really functional solutions.

Do you have these systems on all doors or just on the main entrance? 

Tjaša Jarc

Ahoy! Berlin
Windscheidstr. 18
10627 Berlin

T: +49 173 7079148

     

[Jonathan Markwell]

Happy to help Tjaša!

We started with them on our two main entrances. We've since added locks to:

- the door to our internal shared storage room to keep kit a little safer.

- the gate to our external bicycle storage area.

It's so much easier now. Most members only need a single keyfob (or now an app on their phone) and we don't have to keep track of so many different keys. It also allows us to keep a stock of inactive keys on site and activate them for new members and people who loose them when we're away from the space.

We still use conventional keys to deadlock the main entrances at night but it probably won't be long before we replace them too.

There are two big negatives that Clay currently has that you should be aware of:

1) It is dependent on cell phone network connectivity to work. It can connect to most networks but if the one it is connected to goes down users who don't have a designated Master Key cannot use the locks. I'd be much happier if it used our internet connection with the cell phone network for backup.

2) There are a limited number users that can be set as Master Key users - about 20. Master Keys have higher security privileges. They can unlock a lock without network access so locks respond faster as well as being usable when the network is down. The downside of this is that you can't immediately guarantee that their access has been revoked when one goes missing. We trust our members and we'd be happy for them all to have Master Keys. They're still more secure than traditional keys.

I have heard that they'll soon be doubling the number of Master Keys for an account which will be a big help. Sadly it's unlikely that they'll be supporting use of our own Internet connection anytime soon as they'd need to replace some of the hardware.

[Angel Kwiatkowski]

Keep your eyes peeled for Lockstate's new RL6000. After 4 times researching commercial grade locks that don't cost a fortune, this is the front-runner. They are adding a web based code generator and an API to integrate it with membership management software. It's supposed to be released ~June.

http://newremotelock.lockstate.com/products/remotelockacs/

Angel

[Craig Baute - Creative Density Coworking]

I use the current Lockstate RL 6000 that Angel mentioned. I love it for it's affordability, simplicity, and workhorse mentality. This thing does not have many bells and whistle but just inputting up to 200 codes and permanently locking and unlocking when I'm there. I just give every member a code so if I'm not there (like how I'm going to be at GCUC) they have access. When I am there it's a simple push the button and it unlocks. Super simple, super easy, affordable.

[Craig Baute - Creative Density Coworking]

After researching Lockstate's new line of deadbolts I think I like the $250 DB500. It has plenty of online control with temporary codes (times of day to number of days), up to 250, and permanent codes and has a recurring fee of $0.99 per month. It's affordable and has a well-known company behind it. It doesn't try to get too fancy which has plagued some of the startups that have gone after this market.

They are a Denver based company so I just shot them an email to visit their store and have a sit down. If things go well I might be grabbing a up to three.

[Alex Hillman]

Can you link to this, Craig? The DB500 I'm finding doesn't have an online control panel of any kind. 

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On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Craig Baute - Creative Density Coworking <bau...@gmail.com> wrote:

After researching Lockstate's new line of deadbolts I think I like the $250 DB500. It has plenty of online control with temporary codes (times of day to number of days), up to 250, and permanent codes and has a recurring fee of $0.99 per month. It's affordable and has a well-known company behind it. It doesn't try to get too fancy which has plagued some of the startups that have gone after this market.

They are a Denver based company so I just shot them an email to visit their store and have a sit down. If things go well I might be grabbing a up to three.

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[Jacob Sayles]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Remote Lock line they have.  

https://remotelock.com/products/smartlocks/

They sell them at Home Depot.  

http://www.homedepot.com/p/LockState-RemoteLock-WiFi-Satin-Nickel-Electronic-Lever-Door-Lock-L500i-SN/204502395

I'm looking at using these for the new Creative Blueprint Seattle location.  At Office Nomads we use an ISONAS system but due to cost and the complication of integrating our systems I'm looking at using one of these to replace the door knob.  This way we can have two separate systems that don't interfere with each other.  We need to use the remote service so Ashley can manage her space even when she's back in Toronto.  

Jacob

[Craig Baute - Creative Density Coworking]

You got it Jacob and thanks for adding the link. It looks like a good system.

[Will Bennis, Locus Workspace]

Hi Folks, Jon, Craig,

For both the Clay device and the Remote Lock: they look great, but...

Am I misunderstanding something or does this mean that if the wifi link between door and internet goes down for some reason, members can't get into the space? We've had so much trouble just keeping our printers on the (functioning wifi), I'd hate for access to the building to depend on that connection always working. Or is my concern unjustified for some reason?

Will

[Jerome Chang]

Will, can you connect the printers via cable but shared on the network?

Jerome

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[Jacob Sayles]

Will, it's my concern as well and I'll need to play with one before I know for sure. I also want to bypass their servers so the doors don't rely on a third party. I'll report back as soon as Ive got my hands on some hardware. 

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[Jonathan Markwell]

Clay doesn't use our Internet connection/WiFi. It comes with a unit that communicates via the cell/mobile phone network. I'd be happiest if it used both, so we had some redundancy. We have had problems when the cell network goes down and/or is busy. Master Key users (limited to 20 people but soon increasing to 40) can still get in if it's offline for any reason.

Like Jacob, I wish we could gain complete control over the locks by bypassing their servers. Clay have used heavy encryption at multiple levels making that near impossible to do.

[Jacob Sayles]

I haven't found a system that does not rely on third-party servers.  You can't really be a consumer level device and have all the remote programming capabilities without having a server somewhere so I understand why this is.  They also usually have some form of monetization strategy that benefits from being tied to the company.  

All that said, I'm looking to find or develop a solution that gets around this.  The system I built for the hotel in SF is a first step, but there is still a lot of work to be done before it's the solution I'm looking for.  For Ashley's art studios here in Seattle, I'm opting for inexpensive, off-the-shelf hardware and I'll see if I can work some magic behind the curtain.  Here is to hoping the Lockstate Remote Locks do the trick!  

If anyone wants to help with all this hacking, I'd love to work together.  Also, if anyone has some hardware they want to donate to the cause I'm happy to tinker with it to see if we can come up with a solution that works for all of us.  

Jacob

[Bryan Boyer]

Does anyone have experience with a lock system for storefront style doors? Most of these wifi-locks seem to only work on a basic wooden door.

-bryan

[Jacob Sayles]

Yeah most of these systems are far less expensive and are residential not commercial level hardware.  For commercial doors you need an electric strike in the door frame and it should be installed by a professional locksmith.  We have a commercial system at Office Nomads using ISONAS readers but it was $5K and many people find that too expensive.  The system I built at The Red Victorian Hotel also uses an electric strike and I'm hopeful it could be a suitable replacement, but I need more time/money to develop it in to something solid.  

What other commercial systems are in use here?  Anything I should have my eye on?  Anything that is less then $1K/door?  

[Glen Ferguson]

I've been interested in the Honeywell NetAXS-123 system. I only need a 1 door solution right now, but this can take expansion boards to support up to 3 doors if we remodel. TCP/IP connectivity lets me put it on our internal network for programming, supports power over ethernet (PoE) or can use AC and a backup battery. It runs a built-in webserver for browser-based configuration so everything is locally controlled, but you have an option for remote access too. I can tie it in with our alarm system so that will disarm when a user swipes. I'm finally seeing some reviews on Amazon and the biggest criticism is the web server is slow and the setup isn't intuitive.

It has a lot of nice features. One supported scenario I want, like when I'm at GCUC, is for the door to be unlocked M-F 9a-6p, but it won't unlock automatically until the first cardholder swipes in after 9am. They refer to it as a "snow day" feature. Obviously, you can set up 24/7 access for some members, but the building wouldn't be "open for business" until a member shows up during regular hours.

Downside is it looks like it would run around the $700 - $1K mark with the magnetic lock we'd need. Also, Honeywell doesn't support DIYers, so it might be wise to get a professional install the system. Probably a good idea anyway, since fire code compliance has some requirements on ease of exit if someone is working at 2am and wants to keep the doors locked for their security.

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[Jacques Paquin]

We ended up with a system from Tyco. They installed a Kantech 400 panel with ProxID readers, electric strikes and T.Rex hardware on 3 doors. I believe this was about $2000 installed. It's connected to our network and it is programmed through a system Tyco calls EntrePass. There is a web client that uses Silverlight (really only works on Windows machines) and there are also IOS and Android clients. So we can check the status of the system, lock/unlock or run reports from anywhere.

Just throwing it out there.

[Lucas Judice]

I just bought SESAME (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1425492550/sesame-your-key-reinvented) and still anxious to see how it'll work. 

Basically you just plug the product over the lock system and control open/close thru an app (iOS and Android). By using it, we know who, when, what time and for how long that person stayed in the coworking. 

No key or card needed. 

Is there any other solution like that? As I said, haven't tried it yet, still waiting to be shipped. 

Thanks,

Lucas Judice

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[Jacob Sayles]

There are a few solutions like that including Lockitron, August, and Goji.  This works fine if you know everyone is going to have a smartphone, but many situations can't make that assumption.  That said, these look like cool projects and I'd love to hear your experience with SESAME when you get one.  

[Will Bennis, Locus Workspace]

Hi Jerome,

Not sure I understand your question, but... we do have cabels that people can connect to directly and that's how many people end up printing. The printers are also on the network, and many people connect to them that way (but not without frequent glitches). But the printer was just an example about why I'm worried about a door system that depends reliable connection network via wifi.

Will 

[Jerome Chang]

When you say your “printers are also on the network”, are they on via cabled-connection? Or thru the printer’s wi-fi?

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EAST: Downtown
529 S. Broadway, Suite 4000 (@Pershing Square) | ph: (213) 550-2235

NORTH: Pasadena (Opening 2015 Q4!)

600 E. Colorado Blvd. (@Los Robles)

[Will Bennis, Locus Workspace]

One is via cabled connection, the others are via wifi (because they don't have the cable connection option). The one connected by cable has similar problems though.

[Craig Baute - Creative Density Coworking]

The Lockstate one gets awful reviews on Amazon for a variety of models. It doesn't seem like they have the durability and quality standards when technology is involved. However, the Shlage Connected devices get high reviews but uses z-wave technology and limits codes up to 30. This is not a bad thing but it will require some more setup time and a Z-wave bridge to be purchased. Not a big deal but plan on adding $100. In total the setup will costs about $350.

I talked to members and they seem fine with the 30 code limit because our 3500 sq. ft space can only have up to 70 or so members. This just means that every doesn't get to custom their own code and there will be two or three people using the same code. If I need to change or take away code then I just have to do that and change it for people. Members don't feel like this is a big deal and it probably isn't.

It's a balance of what I truly want and what I'm happy to pay for. $350 verse $1500 to $2000 seems to my balance.

[Liane Jackson]

Craig - whatup from Chicago :)  I have the Schlage lock and have been pretty pleased b/c it's very easy, user friendly and intuitive.  I use the Nexia bridge to control it.  Remote unlock, lock, delete access, setup access times, etc.  All very affordable and intuitive.  Can be controlled from your phone.  The only issue for me is the 30 code limit.  I'd rather not have members sharing codes so that it's easier to track access, and who has been in and out (if needed).

[Leslie T.]

Hello All,

              The door and access control is def a interesting subject, I myself have been researching on it and decided to go with a Off the shelf solution with no limitations. For that I use a combination of a TCP/IP wiegand access control, wiegand board, magnetic lock, electric strike, wiring and power supply.

RFID Reader, electric strike, key fob : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VPQWG28?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

wiegand Access control : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UX02JWE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

additional electronic magnetic lock : http://www.amazon.com/Seco-Larm-E-941SA-600-Enforcer-Electromagnetic-Holding/dp/B00196YB5Y/ref=pd_ybh_8

additional readers : http://www.amazon.com/Generic-Wiegand-26-Bit-Control-Proximity/dp/B00UX01WAO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_421_12?ie=UTF8&refRID=1JDKNZH2QYBVYA6Y4XXX

I was able to connect that up and it works pretty good, now time to hook it up to the door, I can help with instruction if you do decide to use this system

[Barbara Sprenger]

Hi Ahoy,
We really like using RFID scan/locks from Paxton. They are reasonably priced and have a great user interface. We use them on all conference rooms, entry doors and private offices. They have ones that are battery-powered and wifi controlled -- nothing to wire. Everything is contained in the door handle - scanner and all! It's an English company, so may be easy for you to get in Berlin.

[Bernhard Mehl]

Hi Jacques,

How happy are you guys with the Tyco system?

Bernhard

getkisi.com

[Bernhard Mehl]

Hi guys,

If anyone is moving in a new space and might find an existing keyfob / keycard system in place this could be helpful:

https://blog.getkisi.com/4-office-solutions-for-old-key-fob-systems/

(disclaimer: I am one of the founders of getkisi.com)

[Matt G]

Hey Jot,

I know this is a year later but hope you don't mind me following this up! 

After your recommendation I have been trying to get in touch with Clay but their website is giving a ridiculous response to any contact form request "Sending your message failed. Please try again later, or try another way to contact us."

Could you pass on a contact for them so I can get in touch?

Thanks!

Matt

On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 11:27:49 AM UTC+1, @jot wrote:

We're using Clay by Salto at The Skiff: https://my-clay.com/

It's been almost a year since we had them installed. We did loads of research and it was the only system we could install given the way our door frames have been made - the locks work as replacements for standard Euro Locks and Yale Locks - I don't think they work with US standard locks.

Clay take security extremely seriously which has had a negative knock on effect on the user experience - lots of different security codes involved in administration tasks. But it does the job and everyone's agreed that it's far better than how we used to operate with physical keys and leaving the door unlocked during busy periods.

The hardware is rock solid, tried and tested in Hotels and large institutions for years under the Salto brand. Clay is the software layer that's relatively new and makes it easy administer through web and mobile apps.

Let me know if you have any more questions about them. I've been meaning to write up a full review for a while.

Jon

On 17 April 2015 at 10:57, Harald Amelung <ha...@gmx.net> wrote:

Ahoi Ahoy!

Have you heard about NoKi?
http://noki.io/de/?gclid=CODZq9SJ_cQCFQrJtAodKAoAHw

Best regards from Stuttgart
Harald

Am 15.04.15 um 15:36 schrieb Ahoy:

Hi everyone,

we are Ahoy, coworking space from Berlin - Charlottenburg.
We are planning to open a new coworking space and at the moment we are
trying to find the best solution/system for locking doors of the offices
and main entrance. We want to provide 24/7 entrance. Currently we are
using keys, but this is a big mess:)

We are thinking about magnet cards for locking doors (the same most of
hotels have) and also that would be possible to purchase with them at
our bar.
Do anyone have any experiences what is the best system and maybe which
company can provide us this kind of products, solutions?

Thank you
Cheers!

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Ahoy! Berlin
Windscheidstr. 18
10627 Berlin

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[Jessica Knapp]

Hey Tjaša, 

I'm based in London and I know the guys at Sclak and Kisi. Both awesome. Not sure if you're looking for exactly this kinda thing, but thought I would throw it in the mix anyways :) 

If you're interested I'm happy to intro you! 

Sclak - http://www.sclak.com/en/

Kisi - https://getkisi.com/

Best,

Jessica

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 2:36:58 PM UTC+1, Ahoy! Berlin wrote:

Hi everyone,

we are Ahoy, coworking space from Berlin - Charlottenburg. 

We are planning to open a new coworking space and at the moment we are trying to find the best solution/system for locking doors of the offices and main entrance. We want to provide 24/7 entrance. Currently we are using keys, but this is a big mess:)

We are thinking about magnet cards for locking doors (the same most of hotels have) and also that would be possible to purchase with them at our bar.

Do anyone have any experiences what is the best system and maybe which company can provide us this kind of products, solutions?

Thank you

Cheers!

Tjaša Jarc

Ahoy! Berlin
Windscheidstr. 18
10627 Berlin

[Leslie]

I can vouch for Kisi, we are currently installing them, reach out to max m...@getkisi.com , 

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[Karen Taborda]

Hi Leslie, 

Thanks for the shout out! 

Cheers, 

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[Angel Kwiatkowski]

Bryan,

Try searching "narrow stile" that will at least get you in the right family of locks. If you can't afford the electric strike, you can get a mechanical push button style one for about $160. It will have zero cute features but does the job.

[Max Humphreys]

Hi there,

I'm in the process of setting up a coworking space in the UK.  The space will be small initially for only around 20-30 people.   Is kisi good value for this size of business?
It is 2017 now, have there been and new systems released that are worth a look?

cheers,
Max

[Barbara Sprenger]

Hi Max,

We really like Paxton for an door lock/ access system. It’s an English company. We put RFID locks on every door — all offices, conference rooms, front/back doors. We like theirs because everything is built into the door handle — electronic lock, scanner, door handle — and it’s all battery powered and wifi. So when we go into a new place, we just replace the handle, and we can take it with you if you leave.

By doing this, we can turn any space instantly into day use. People have to scan in (to unlock), and they want to scan out to stop the clock. We also like this system because there’s no ongoing monthly cost, it’s fairly priced, and the software interface is really simple.

Barbara Sprenger

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