Linux evolution
7
---------------
The next big evolutionary step Linux could take is for anyone and
everyone in open source to band together to form open sourced standards.
It already happens - e.g. with Desktop Linux, but next big step
is to drive for standards as hard as possible to displace
proprietary standards.
In proprietary world, it is customary for cretins to pile on
top of each other to patent stuff before reaching the
standards bodies and then pile the standards proceedings
with proprietary stands in the hopes of milking the system
as soon as the rip off standard got ratified.
Linux and open source can do it much better.
A bit like git, what you do is release your own code
and documentation along with patent pledge into public domain
before attending the standards meeting,
and everyone downloads and merges the best bits of all
that is available and draws up a standard.
It can't get any simpler than that.
If some of your bits of your standard finds its way into the
the standard that has been voted in, then you got your name
in lights with job prospects to boot. If you don't want
the attention, you still got your standard incorporated
into products by others so you can exchange data and make
life a hell of a lot easier when transferring data and programs
between machines.
I would really love my printer to have a x-server for example
because its always on and I may as well log into it with ssh -X
and run browser and leave it downloading stuff all night into a
a USB port or SD Card slot. I would call my machine that supported this idea
Internet X Print Server standard - or shorten it to the
iX Print Server Standard.
Then once the standard is ratified, it would be sent to printer
manufacturers who are free to develop the printers knowing that patent
infringement suits are impossible because of the patent pledges contained
within the standard.
You win, the consumers win, the printer manufacturers win, Linux wins
and open standards win. It pushes aside the proprietary crap
that in general have always hindered progress by trying to monetize
standards when standards in general have nothing to do with monetization
of the standard itself.
Every single standard of yesterday which has monetization of the standard
itself and has been corrupted to the core can be repelled and replaced with
new progressive open standards that are more functional, better
documented, is less wasteful of resources and more interchangeable
and compatible than old standards.
In time close source companies will begin to understand the
benefits of open source standards because they too can compete
in a more fair environment where they don't sued from competitors
who piled in with their crap into loaded standards bodies.
Clog_-_wog (®)
bericht news:Edi6p.6373$7U....@newsfe17.ams2...
> Linux evolution
> ---------------
>
> The next big evolutionary step Linux could take is for anyone and
> everyone in open source to band together to form open sourced standards.
>
> It already happens - e.g. with Desktop Linux, but next big step
> is to drive for standards as hard as possible to displace
> proprietary standards.
>
What's holding you up, Josh?
I expect you to attend the IEEE CONFERENCE ON OPEN SYSTEMS 2011 (ICOS 2011)
25 - 28 September 2011, Langkawi Island, MALAYSIA
Website: http://cs.ieeemalaysia.org/ICOS2011/
[q]
F. STANDARDS AND INFRASTRUCTURE
� Open Infrastructure
� Software Standards
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
� Communication Standards
[q/]
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, hypocrite, other than yelling rants in COLA!
But you won't, eh!, you cheap freetard?
Too busy making a living with MS products, huh!
I bet, *nobody* of the freetard Lin-loons that post here will attend this
conference.
flatfish+++
> Linux evolution
> ---------------
>
> The next big evolutionary step Linux could take is for anyone and
> everyone in open source to band together to form open sourced standards.
You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
etc.
You'll fsck up anything you get your grimy little hands on.
The Linux community is famous for it.
DFS
BWAHAHA!!!
Look how they fucked up comp.os.linux.advocacy... not to mention their
own families...
7
Unlike proprietary world, a standard doesn't mean monopoly.
Multiple standards can exist and data is freely interchangeable
between them because everything is adhering to standards.
E.g. no problem between apt and synaptic and any other
package manager - you just have to write the alias type of app
for the conversion and no one is going to stop you.
Something closed source dinosaurs don't understand at all.
7
Your hallucinations are running away with you.
Have you thought about suing your employer to get some compensation
to buy more drugs yet?
flatfish+++
No problem using a Hemi 6.1 l engine in a Yaris.
You just have to leave out the passenger seats and redesign the entire
car to make it fit.
> Something closed source dinosaurs don't understand at all.
We understand successful desktop applications.
Something Linux freetards will never experience.
Chris Ahlstrom
> flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:42:38 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>
>>> Linux evolution
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> The next big evolutionary step Linux could take is for anyone and
>>> everyone in open source to band together to form open sourced standards.
>>
>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>> etc.
>
> Unlike proprietary world, a standard doesn't mean monopoly.
> Multiple standards can exist and data is freely interchangeable
> between them because everything is adhering to standards.
> E.g. no problem between apt and synaptic and any other
> package manager - you just have to write the alias type of app
> for the conversion and no one is going to stop you.
>
> Something closed source dinosaurs don't understand at all.
Apparently Flounder has never heard of alien.
And why would we settle on *one* of anything? We aren't a corporation,
we're a loose-knit community continually trying new ways of doing
things.
--
The Advertising Agency Song
When your client's hopping mad,
Put his picture in the ad.
If he still should prove refractory,
Add a picture of his factory.
High Plains Thumper
> 7 wrote this:
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The next big evolutionary step Linux could take is for anyone and
>>>> everyone in open source to band together to form open sourced
>>>> standards.
>>>
>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>>> etc.
Pointless rant. Also, it looks as though people are having problems
running Cubase in Windows 7:
Shut down hang
by Tech-dance » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:31 pm
"Something is causing Cubase 6 to hang on shut down - whether it be a plug
or a driver it's annoying! I didn't have this problem in 5.52. This
problem is intermittent. I just had it on the 32 bit version (I've
installed both on my 64 bit machine). All I'd done was launch and close
the program! I am running Windows 7 64 bit"
by Arjan P » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:52 pm
"There was already mention of this in other threads, and it was suggested
that it only happens when using the RH corner red arrow box to terminate
Cubase. When closing by menu>quit (or maybe CTL+Q) it shouldn't happen. I
had it myself a couple of times but haven't had more time to test yet.."
by Tech-dance » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:51 pm
"Just tried - CTRL-Q (via the menu) . Program hung!"
by isokolow » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:48 am
"Just getting a hang on exit.. Killed the process.. Restarted and reloaded
last project (which has apparently been correctly before exit saved) ..
trying to exit again.. New hanging state.. :!: Re-killed and restarted ..
Quit succesfully without trying to reload any project or reloading other
projects... Retried again with the offending project... Project works (no
runtime issue executing the project,playing with it).. But I cannot even
close it after 0 modif. Looks like the content of the project itself is
leading cubase to hang at close or exit.. Looks like that project is
dead.. I did almost nothing with it, but played with cubase few hours
having it loaded, and then the issue started to occure when I tried to
exit from Cubase after I saved that project.."
by Dreamix » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:10 am
"Seems to happen here once in awhile too, cant kill the program from the
task manager either!"
http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22031
>> Unlike proprietary world, a standard doesn't mean monopoly. Multiple
>> standards can exist and data is freely interchangeable between them
>> because everything is adhering to standards. E.g. no problem between
>> apt and synaptic and any other package manager - you just have to write
>> the alias type of app for the conversion and no one is going to stop
>> you.
>>
>> Something closed source dinosaurs don't understand at all.
>
> Apparently Flounder has never heard of alien.
>
> And why would we settle on *one* of anything? We aren't a corporation,
> we're a loose-knit community continually trying new ways of doing
> things.
Best thing to do is ignore their shifting goal posts. Dispense with your
killfile amnesty. The only good troll is a killfiled troll.
--
HPT
chrisv
>> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>>> etc.
"You car guys can't even settle on FWD, RWD, or AWD. You can't settle
on the best color, or size. You can't even settle on gas or diesel,
much less cylinder count and layout. You can't settle on manual or
automatic transmissions. You can't even settle how many doors to
have, or the best wheel size, or suspension firmness, etc, etc, etc"
How fscking mentally-ill does someone need to be, to imply that it's
"bad" that we have choices?
>>> You'll fsck up anything you get your grimy little hands on.
Sounds like something Nikita Khrushchev would have said, right-about
the time that he claimed that his planned economy would "bury"
capitalism.
>>> The Linux community is famous for it.
That's a lie.
In fact, the Linux community is famous for kicking Micro$oft's ass in
prettty-much every respect possible, considering Micro$oft's
considerable head-start and the whole "compatibility" issue...
>Your hallucinations are running away with you.
>
>Have you thought about suing your employer to get some compensation
>to buy more drugs yet?
You think that mentally-POS is employable?
One-Shot One-Kill
mentally ill piece of shit "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:cninl61a9ld96ivlq...@4ax.com...
>
> You think that mentally-POS is employable?
>
nobody thinks a mentally ill piece of shit like you "chrisv" is employable.
"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a piece of shit.
Chris Ahlstrom
> Best thing to do is ignore their shifting goal posts. Dispense with your
> killfile amnesty. The only good troll is a killfiled troll.
No amnesty here. The only guys I can tolerate right now are Clogwog and
Zeke, though I try to ignore the silly stuff that comes out. The rest are
essentially human garbage, in my opinion.
But enough about the trolls.
--
Living here in Rio, I have lots of coffees to choose from. And when
you're on the lam like me, you appreciate a good cup of coffee.
-- "Great Train Robber" Ronald Biggs' coffee commercial
Hadron
> High Plains Thumper wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Best thing to do is ignore their shifting goal posts. Dispense with your
>> killfile amnesty. The only good troll is a killfiled troll.
>
> No amnesty here. The only guys I can tolerate right now are Clogwog and
> Zeke, though I try to ignore the silly stuff that comes out. The rest are
> essentially human garbage, in my opinion.
>
> But enough about the trolls.
It's all you talk about you sad little man.
Homer
> Apparently Flounder has never heard of alien.
>
> And why would we settle on *one* of anything? We aren't a
> corporation, we're a loose-knit community continually trying new ways
> of doing things.
Which is exactly what drives innovation; another thing Microsoft and its
gang of monkeys have never heard of.
--
K. | "MS is working fast and furious
http://slated.org | on security." ~ DFS, June 2004
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky |
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 1 day | http://tinyurl.com/doofygoofs1
chrisv
>No amnesty here. The only guys I can tolerate right now are Clogwog and
>Zeke, though I try to ignore the silly stuff that comes out. The rest are
>essentially human garbage, in my opinion.
Pretty sad state of affairs, when those twits are "the cream of the
crop"...
--
Statement: Some people are FORCED to use Windows (at work for
example).
"Ezekiel" responds: Really... you mean someone is holding a gun to
his head in order to "FORCE" him to use Windows?
Homer
>
>> Best thing to do is ignore their shifting goal posts. Dispense with
>> your killfile amnesty. The only good troll is a killfiled troll.
>
> No amnesty here. The only guys I can tolerate right now are Clogwog
> and Zeke
I was pleasantly surprised to read Zeke call for an abolition to
lobbying. Full respect for that one, although the whole thread (started
by One Shit, One Shill, IIRC), was actually just an attack on Google,
purely for the sake of defending Microsoft.
The "other people do it" argument never ceases to amaze me. I wonder how
the shills would have felt if Reiser had used that argument in his
defence, and got off scot-free.
Snit
6:16 AM:
> 7 wrote:
>
>>> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>>>> etc.
>
> "You car guys can't even settle on FWD, RWD, or AWD. You can't settle
> on the best color, or size. You can't even settle on gas or diesel,
> much less cylinder count and layout. You can't settle on manual or
> automatic transmissions. You can't even settle how many doors to
> have, or the best wheel size, or suspension firmness, etc, etc, etc"
>
> How fscking mentally-ill does someone need to be, to imply that it's
> "bad" that we have choices?
All of those cars drive on the same road and can get gas at the same
stations. They can, generally, even get services at the same shops.
And you rarely have a hybrid gas / diesel.
>>>> You'll fsck up anything you get your grimy little hands on.
>
> Sounds like something Nikita Khrushchev would have said, right-about
> the time that he claimed that his planned economy would "bury"
> capitalism.
>
>>>> The Linux community is famous for it.
>
> That's a lie.
>
> In fact, the Linux community is famous for kicking Micro$oft's ass in
> prettty-much every respect possible, considering Micro$oft's
> considerable head-start and the whole "compatibility" issue...
>
>> Your hallucinations are running away with you.
>>
>> Have you thought about suing your employer to get some compensation
>> to buy more drugs yet?
>
> You think that mentally-POS is employable?
>
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
flatfish+++
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> 7 wrote this:
>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The next big evolutionary step Linux could take is for anyone and
>>>>> everyone in open source to band together to form open sourced
>>>>> standards.
>>>>
>>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>>>> etc.
>
> Pointless rant. Also, it looks as though people are having problems
> running Cubase in Windows 7:
Wow!
Bugs in a software program used by millions of people.
What a surprise.
The real question is why these people don't switch to Linux and all the
"great" DAW programs that come with it?
What's the matter HPT?
Can't afford Cubse either?
I know you can't afford Nuendo, but Cubase is around $500 or so for the
professional version.
You can get the lite version, which would be a perfect match for your
play by number keyboard, for around $35.00 I believe.
flatfish+++
> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> Best thing to do is ignore their shifting goal posts. Dispense with
>>> your killfile amnesty. The only good troll is a killfiled troll.
>>
>> No amnesty here. The only guys I can tolerate right now are Clogwog
>> and Zeke
>
> I was pleasantly surprised to read Zeke call for an abolition to
> lobbying. Full respect for that one, although the whole thread (started
> by One Shit, One Shill, IIRC), was actually just an attack on Google,
> purely for the sake of defending Microsoft.
I said the same thing BTW.
Lobbying is legalized bribery, prostitution, however you want to look at
it.
It should be banned.
> The "other people do it" argument never ceases to amaze me. I wonder how
> the shills would have felt if Reiser had used that argument in his
> defence, and got off scot-free.
Didn't he try?
OJ got off.
Robert Blake got off.
Both travesties IMHO.
flatfish+++
> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>
>> Apparently Flounder has never heard of alien.
>>
>> And why would we settle on *one* of anything? We aren't a
>> corporation, we're a loose-knit community continually trying new ways
>> of doing things.
>
> Which is exactly what drives innovation; another thing Microsoft and its
> gang of monkeys have never heard of.
In the case of Linux, it drives confusion.
Not much more.
DFS
> And why would we settle on *one* of anything? We aren't a corporation,
> we're a loose-knit community continually trying new ways of doing
> things.
As long as that Windows money keeps rolling in, eh? That's one thing
you're NOT going to change.
DFS
> In fact, the Linux community is famous for kicking Micro$oft's ass in
> prettty-much every respect possible, considering Micro$oft's
> considerable head-start and the whole "compatibility" issue...
Considering it's given away for free because it refuses to compete on
the merits, Linux can't kick anyone or anything's ass.
Hey, since you're so proud of Linux, turd, why don't you do your job for
free? uh huh...
DFS
> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>
>> Apparently Flounder has never heard of alien.
>>
>> And why would we settle on *one* of anything? We aren't a
>> corporation, we're a loose-knit community continually trying new ways
>> of doing things.
>
> Which is exactly what drives innovation
Which makes one wonder why the Linux community is a den of hackjob,
cloneware, theftware developers "borrowing" from any and every where.
Gnumeric, Kivio, Dia, OpenOffice, Thunderbird ...
Heck, for a while there were Linux distros with 'My Computer' icons on
the desktop.
sidejob scooter
Why are you so afraid of chrisv?
High Plains Thumper
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> No amnesty here. The only guys I can tolerate right now are Clogwog
>> and Zeke, though I try to ignore the silly stuff that comes out. The
>> rest are essentially human garbage, in my opinion.
>
> Pretty sad state of affairs, when those twits are "the cream of the
> crop"...
Best of the rest, LOL. Especially the one living on Rottumeroog, a
Nederlander bird sanctuary island. Heh!
Clogwog: "BWAHAHAHAHAAAAH! I'm here: lat=53.5416623417, lon=6.57523611111"
1 Dec 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a819d6e81b9fd9b9
HPT: "+53° 32' 29.98", +6° 34' 30.85" ... on Rottumeroog? Hoe heb je dat
geflikt? Oh, I get it, lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rottum_(island_group) "
Marti: "Hilarious, that would explain why clockworx is a dead duck fscker:
The two islands are not freely accessible in the summer, both Rottumeroog
as Rottumerplaat occupied by vogelwachters (birdwatchers?). In the spring
and autumn are a limited number of excursions to Rottumeroog."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cf681bd7fc97d4e2
--
HPT
flatfish+++
> chrisv wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> No amnesty here. The only guys I can tolerate right now are Clogwog
>>> and Zeke, though I try to ignore the silly stuff that comes out. The
>>> rest are essentially human garbage, in my opinion.
>>
>> Pretty sad state of affairs, when those twits are "the cream of the
>> crop"...
>
> Best of the rest, LOL. Especially the one living on Rottumeroog, a
> Nederlander bird sanctuary island. Heh!
>
> Clogwog: "BWAHAHAHAHAAAAH! I'm here: lat=53.5416623417, lon=6.57524533611111"
> 1 Dec 2008
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a819d6e23181b9fd9b9
Stalker.....
7
chrisv could also be one ejaculation's sock puppet.
One ejactitation attacking his own sock makes one ejeculator look
like a mad monkey that you don't want to mess with.
No one can complain.
I seen that tactic before somewhere.
Genuine apologies if chrisv is real victim.
If chrisv is real and lived in UK the
ASA code of conduct applies now also to advertorials
posted by trolls.
An advertorial is a product that is controlled by the
the marketer and not the publisher.
So doofinut and flatcake nym operators and fellow asstroturfers are the
publishers while the marketer is micoshaft/appil.
In the UK, the marketer, appil/micoshaft, is liable for everything
the publisher doofinut / flatcake and asstroturfer in their publishing
cubicles print out in Amrika if micoshaft have offices here and micoshaft
used the trolls against citizens living in the UK.
The whole point about the practice of advertorials was that they could
disconnect the marketer from the publisher - but the link is now
re-established so there is no cop out routes for marketing departments that
use cubicle bound asstroturfers to push marketing material to unsuspecting
public. The advertorials must identify themselves with those they represent
and not misrepresent the connections.
Chris Ahlstrom
> sidejob scooter wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:20:04 -0500, One-Shot One-Kill wrote:
>>
>> <scatology snipped>
>>
>> Why are you so afraid of chrisv?
>
> chrisv could also be one ejaculation's sock puppet.
>
> One ejactitation attacking his own sock makes one ejeculator look
> like a mad monkey that you don't want to mess with.
> No one can complain.
OSOK is just a lemminatin' wimman anyway :-D
--
Get hold of portable property. -- Charles Dickens, "Great Expectations"
Homer
> OSOK is just a lemminatin' wimman anyway :-D
Here he is:
http://image14.webshots.com/15/8/73/76/171787376KpBJru_ph.jpg
--
K. | "MS is working fast and furious
http://slated.org | on security." ~ DFS, June 2004
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky |
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 3 days | http://tinyurl.com/doofygoofs1
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
> etc.
We still do better than Windows in those regards, don’t we?
flatfish+++
> We still do better than Windows in those regards, donοΏ½t we?
Not with audio you don't.
Windows and Mac have audio down to a science.
Linux?
Audio is a mess.
Package manager it's a mixed bag.
Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week like Linux ones do so it's
mainly Windows itself that gets updated.
High Plains Thumper
> The "other people do it" argument never ceases to amaze me. I wonder how
> the shills would have felt if Reiser had used that argument in his
> defence, and got off scot-free.
For the past couple years, the trolls have been using Hans Reiser as a
strawman against advocates, as though we fit his crime. The false
accusations and ad hominems are about the only thing they can throw. The
idiotic thing is of the things they accuse others of, they themselves are
the worst offenders.
The character assasinations they attempt are proof of their criminal
behaviour and nature. They are full of corruption and are morally
bankrupt. They fall well within the steps of their mentor.
--
HPT
Snit
7:58 PM:
Do you deny attacking my character and the character of others?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:16:27 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <s7favhhjdbjo.o...@40tude.net>, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>>> etc.
>>
>> We still do better than Windows in those regards, don’t we?
>
> Not with audio you don't.
> Windows and Mac have audio down to a science.
> Linux?
> Audio is a mess.
At least the APIs haven’t been tossed about like seasick passengers on a sea
cruise gone wrong. Remember when Vista broke all the third-party audio
drivers?
> Package manager it's a mixed bag.
>
> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
flatfish+++
> In message <1urg2fh2c8a2g.7...@40tude.net>, flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:16:27 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> In message <s7favhhjdbjo.o...@40tude.net>, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>
>>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>> We still do better than Windows in those regards, don’t we?
>>
>> Not with audio you don't.
>> Windows and Mac have audio down to a science.
>> Linux?
>> Audio is a mess.
>
> At least the APIs haven’t been tossed about like seasick passengers on a sea
> cruise gone wrong. Remember when Vista broke all the third-party audio
> drivers?
It didn't break the 3rd party audio drivers, the applications were not
updated to work with the new sound system Vista offered.
ASIO and WDM worked fine.
>> Package manager it's a mixed bag.
>>
>> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
>> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
>
> How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
You need to learn to read.
APPLICATIONS.....
You snipped that part.
Homer
> In message <1urg2fh2c8a2g.7...@40tude.net>, flatfish+++
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:16:27 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> In message <s7favhhjdbjo.o...@40tude.net>, flatfish+++
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio
>>>> system etc.
>>>
>>> We still do better than Windows in those regards, don’t we?
>>
>> Not with audio you don't.
>> Windows and Mac have audio down to a science.
>> Linux?
>> Audio is a mess.
>
> At least the APIs haven’t been tossed about like seasick passengers on
> a sea cruise gone wrong. Remember when Vista broke all the third-party
> audio drivers?
Same thing happened with XP. Half of my 9x-era games no longer worked. I
had to use some weird soundcard emulation system, and even that was only
successful with some of them. I remember Blood 2: The Chosen was a real
bitch, in particular.
Then there was the fiasco of trying to get an Audigy 2 ZS Notebook card
working. It worked once, then went silent the next boot. Uninstalling
then reinstalling the drivers didn't help. Updating the drivers made
things /worse/ (BSOD). Cleaning out the junk from the Registry didn't
help much either. The only thing that made it work was a complete
Windows Wipe'N'Reinstall®, but that only lasted so long, then the card
fell silent again. Just as I was about to give up and take the card back
to the shop, I installed Fedora (dual boot), and lo-and-behold it worked
... under Linux. Back to Windows, and ... nada. Back to Linux, it worked
again.
The entirely unsurprising conclusion was: Windows is a steaming pile of
shit. I did like the Wallpaper Acer provided as the Windows desktop
though - a working calender. Pretty cool.
It was the only cool thing about Windows on that laptop though. For a
start it wasn't 64 bit, Linux was. I had zero control of the CPU dynamic
frequency scaling under Windows, Linux had a gnome applet for it, with
lots of option. Windows needed a boatload of slap-on security software,
including antivirus, anti-spyware and a firewall ... Linux needed none.
Windows crashed just by breathing on it, Linux never crashed once. ACPI
worked better under Windows though, until a kernel update fixed the
problem. Oh, and there was a weird thing where none of my DVD ripping
software worked under Windows (disc read errors), and yet DVD::Rip and
others worked fine under Linux.
It made me angry I was forced to pay for that shit, just because I
wanted a laptop. Well Windows is long gone now. I have an older version
of Fedora (11) on it as the only OS, although I'll probably blow that
off in favour of Gentoo soon. What's my chances of getting a refund on
the Windows tax? LOL!
Microsoft should be forced to publicly apologise for inflicting that
crap on an unsuspecting public. Windows should carry a health warning,
or something.
>> Package manager it's a mixed bag.
>>
>> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
>> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
>
> How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
Don't knock it. Playing chicken with Microsoft's "updates" is one of the
few pleasures Windows users get. It rates right up there with
defragging, quarantining viruses, and fixing the registry.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:19:25 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <1urg2fh2c8a2g.7...@40tude.net>, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:16:27 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <s7favhhjdbjo.o...@40tude.net>, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> We still do better than Windows in those regards, don’t we?
>>>
>>> Not with audio you don't.
>>> Windows and Mac have audio down to a science.
>>> Linux?
>>> Audio is a mess.
>>
>> At least the APIs haven’t been tossed about like seasick passengers on a
>> sea cruise gone wrong. Remember when Vista broke all the third-party audio
>> drivers?
>
> It didn't break the 3rd party audio drivers,
It did. Example: The Creative Labs XF drivers, which where broken totally.
Some of the functionality which worked on XP still has to be emulated due to
the DRM shite
> the applications were not
> updated to work with the new sound system Vista offered.
The applications should not need to deal with sound driver differences, except
maybe if they are Sound editors.
Normal apps should not even try to see any difference
> ASIO and WDM worked fine.
>
>>> Package manager it's a mixed bag.
>>>
>>> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
>>> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
>>
>> How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
>
> You need to learn to read.
>
> APPLICATIONS.....
>
> You snipped that part.
And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about.
Normal apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
Go back working your virtual steinberg. It is about as real as a Snit Glasser
gainful work
--
Microsoft Windows - The art of incompetence.
Chris Ahlstrom
> flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>> APPLICATIONS.....
>> You snipped that part.
>
> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about.
> Normal apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>
> Go back working your virtual steinberg.
<chuckle>
--
Lunatic Asylum, n.:
The place where optimism most flourishes.
chrisv
>For the past couple years, the trolls have been using Hans Reiser as a
>strawman against advocates, as though we fit his crime. The false
>accusations and ad hominems are about the only thing they can throw. The
>idiotic thing is of the things they accuse others of, they themselves are
>the worst offenders.
One of many behaviors that that there's no intention of reasonable
discussion, thus calling-for immediate plonking.
--
"But chrisv and his ilk are constantly *plonking* people for using
other SW." - Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly
chrisv
>chrisv could also be one ejaculation's sock puppet.
Put down the bong, 7.
I don't know what's more ridiculous, that I would post what the One
Snot loser does, or that it would post what I do.
chrisv
> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>
>> You guys can't even settle on a standard package manage, audio system
>> etc.
Such idiocy.
>We still do better than Windows in those regards, don’t we?
Maybe we should attack the Windows crowd for not settling on a
standard registry cleaner. :-D
chrisv
> Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>
>> OSOK is just a lemminatin' wimman anyway :-D
>
>Here he is:
>
>http://image14.webshots.com/15/8/73/76/171787376KpBJru_ph.jpg
Nah, here he is:
One-Shot One-Kill
fscking asshole "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:m0usl6dso89c6v0kj...@4ax.com...
flatfish+++
> Go back working your virtual steinberg. It is about as real as a Snit Glasser
> gainful work
Your wish is my command!!
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec02/articles/steinbergvirtualguiatrist.asp
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep05/articles/steinbergvbassist.htm
Like I said Peter Köhlmann, you have no clue what you are talking
about!!
It's Finale part 2 all over again!
Hadron
> Peter K??hlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> APPLICATIONS.....
>>> You snipped that part.
>>
>> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about.
>> Normal apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>>
>> Go back working your virtual steinberg.
>
> <chuckle>
Sucking up again Ahlstrom? No surprise there. You did once refer to your
Master Kohlkopf as a world class C programmer. Your tongue must be brown
as mud. Does his arse taste the same as Roy's or is it more fragrant
from the rotkohl and schnappse?
It wasnt so long ago that ALSA/Linux apps couldnt properly multiplex on
the same sound card so dont give us that chuckle line.
flatfish+++
> Peter K??hlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> APPLICATIONS.....
>>> You snipped that part.
>>
>> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about.
>> Normal apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>>
>> Go back working your virtual steinberg.
>
> <chuckle>
Yea it *is* quite funny....
Nice self nuke Liarmutt.
You really should read the posts and do the research before making ab
ass of yourself.
Read it and weep:
********************
Your wish is my command!!
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec02/articles/steinbergvirtualguiatrist.asp
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep05/articles/steinbergvbassist.htm
Like I said Peter Köhlmann, you have no clue what you are talking
about!!
It's Finale part 2 all over again!
******************************
flatfish+++
Ahlstrom is pathetic.
It's soo funny that Kohlmann told me to go back to my virtual Steinberg
and he didn't realize that Steinberg makes a series of Virtual
Instrument Software like Virtual Guitarist, Virtual Bassist and so
forth.
Of course Ahlstrom jumped on it without realizing he too was self
nuking.
Hysterical!
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> For the past couple years, the trolls have been using Hans Reiser as a
>> strawman against advocates, as though we fit his crime. The false
>> accusations and ad hominems are about the only thing they can throw.
>> The idiotic thing is of the things they accuse others of, they
>> themselves are the worst offenders.
>
> One of many behaviors that that there's no intention of reasonable
> discussion, thus calling-for immediate plonking.
True. Hence why all remain bozo-binned.
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> flatfish+++ wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
>>>> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
>>>
>>> How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
>>
>> You need to learn to read. APPLICATIONS..... You snipped that part.
>
> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about. Normal
> apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>
> Go back working your virtual steinberg. It is about as real as a Snit
> Glasser gainful work
I still see Flatfish is still engaged in its wild rant fantasies. I have
to reinstall Windows XP on my desktop. Again. Why? Now it is video
drivers. Windows Media Player and Apple's player shows a blank screen,
only audio on video files.
Why? My son changed the motherboard. It has a newer ATI integrated
graphics. Only way to fix Windows is a clean reinstall.
Ubuntu? No changes required, it detected the newer hardware and adapted. I
didn't have to do anything. At all. In fact, my whole family uses Ubuntu
to view videos whether from the Internet or from cameras. Linux rocks.
Linux is definately the better product. Naturally.
--
HPT
DFS
How come you (and Dumb Willie for that matter) can barely talk about Linux?
High Plains Thumper
> Peter K??hlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>> APPLICATIONS.....
>>> You snipped that part.
>>
>> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about. Normal
>> apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>>
>> Go back working your virtual steinberg.
>
> <chuckle>
Even Steinberg is having problems in Windows 7:
Shut down hang
by Tech-dance » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:31 pm "Something is causing Cubase 6
to hang on shut down - whether it be a plug or a driver it's annoying! I
didn't have this problem in 5.52. This problem is intermittent. I just had
it on the 32 bit version (I've installed both on my 64 bit machine). All
I'd done was launch and close the program! I am running Windows 7 64 bit"
by Arjan P » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:52 pm "There was already mention of this
in other threads, and it was suggested that it only happens when using the
RH corner red arrow box to terminate Cubase. When closing by menu>quit (or
maybe CTL+Q) it shouldn't happen. I had it myself a couple of times but
haven't had more time to test yet.."
by Tech-dance » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:51 pm "Just tried - CTRL-Q (via the
menu) . Program hung!"
by isokolow » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:48 am "Just getting a hang on exit..
Killed the process.. Restarted and reloaded last project (which has
apparently been correctly before exit saved) .. trying to exit again.. New
hanging state.. :!: Re-killed and restarted .. Quit succesfully without
trying to reload any project or reloading other projects... Retried again
with the offending project... Project works (no runtime issue executing
the project,playing with it).. But I cannot even close it after 0 modif.
Looks like the content of the project itself is leading cubase to hang at
close or exit.. Looks like that project is dead.. I did almost nothing
with it, but played with cubase few hours having it loaded, and then the
issue started to occure when I tried to exit from Cubase after I saved
that project.."
by Dreamix » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:10 am "Seems to happen here once in
awhile too, cant kill the program from the task manager either!"
http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22031
--
HPT
flatfish+++
All they seem to talk about is you, me, Hadron, Amicus and the others
who dare speak the truth about Linux and the lack of Linux advocacy here
in COLA.
To use Mark Kent's favorite line "Why are you so afraid of us (Roy) ?
flatfish+++
>
> Even Steinberg is having problems in Windows 7:
Send up a flare!
Software has bugs....
Jeeze you really are an idiot HPT.
DFS
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
>>>>> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
>>>>
>>>> How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
>>>
>>> You need to learn to read. APPLICATIONS..... You snipped that part.
>>
>> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about. Normal
>> apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>>
>> Go back working your virtual steinberg. It is about as real as a Snit
>> Glasser gainful work
>
> I still see Flatfish is still engaged in its wild rant fantasies. I have
> to reinstall Windows XP on my desktop. Again. Why? Now it is video
> drivers. Windows Media Player and Apple's player shows a blank screen,
> only audio on video files.
>
> Why? My son changed the motherboard. It has a newer ATI integrated
> graphics. Only way to fix Windows is a clean reinstall.
What was the make/model of the old and new mobos? What version of Windows?
Why do I always have to ask for specifics when "advocates" make their
unsubstantiated claims?
> Ubuntu? No changes required, it detected the newer hardware and adapted. I
> didn't have to do anything. At all. In fact, my whole family uses Ubuntu
> to view videos whether from the Internet or from cameras. Linux rocks.
Ubuntu didn't boot at all when I dropped the hard drive into a new
computer (from Intel 865GLC to Gigabyte P55 UD3 mobo).
Windows went into an endless partial reboot cycle.
> Linux is definately the better product. Naturally.
definately?
7
> Homer wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>
>>> OSOK is just a lemminatin' wimman anyway :-D
>
>>Here he is:
>>
>>http://image14.webshots.com/15/8/73/76/171787376KpBJru_ph.jpg
Eugh! That guy is really lemonating!!
> Nah, here he is:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/one-shot-loser
That probably explains it.
One twat has broken his tally whacker with own blubber.
And now resorts to posting constant net abuse and tapping
away at that keyboard as a way of lengthening the shortened artifact.
What some amrikan companies like micoshaft and appil
and its victims do for troll money!!
flatfish+++
> On 2/18/2011 1:33 PM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
>>>>>> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
>>>>>
>>>>> How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
>>>>
>>>> You need to learn to read. APPLICATIONS..... You snipped that part.
>>>
>>> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about. Normal
>>> apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>>>
>>> Go back working your virtual steinberg. It is about as real as a Snit
>>> Glasser gainful work
>>
>> I still see Flatfish is still engaged in its wild rant fantasies. I have
>> to reinstall Windows XP on my desktop. Again. Why? Now it is video
>> drivers. Windows Media Player and Apple's player shows a blank screen,
>> only audio on video files.
>>
>> Why? My son changed the motherboard. It has a newer ATI integrated
>> graphics. Only way to fix Windows is a clean reinstall.
>
> What was the make/model of the old and new mobos? What version of Windows?
>
> Why do I always have to ask for specifics when "advocates" make their
> unsubstantiated claims?
Becuase it's fun to watch them run and hide when asked for specifics.
They LIE for LIEnux and get caught all the time.
>
>
>> Ubuntu? No changes required, it detected the newer hardware and adapted. I
>> didn't have to do anything. At all. In fact, my whole family uses Ubuntu
>> to view videos whether from the Internet or from cameras. Linux rocks.
>
> Ubuntu didn't boot at all when I dropped the hard drive into a new
> computer (from Intel 865GLC to Gigabyte P55 UD3 mobo).
>
> Windows went into an endless partial reboot cycle.
I swapped out an AMD based motherboard ECS Elitegroup with an Asus
Quadcore board P5Qse2 and Windows 7 rebooted a couple of times and all
was well.
Works perfectly although I had to install the drivers from the CD for
the onboard sound and NIC.
Ubuntu Linux wouldn't even boot but kernel panic instead.
>
>
>
>> Linux is definately the better product. Naturally.
>
> definately?
Desktop Linux is a joke.
William Poaster
Thumper on 18/2/2011 18:33 shattered the silence with:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes it's convenient to update all at once, but Windows applications
>>>>> don't have the x.00.1.x version of the week
>>>>
>>>> How many Patch Tuesdays have you gone through, matey?
>>>
>>> You need to learn to read. APPLICATIONS..... You snipped that part.
>>
>> And you don't have the faintest clue you are blubbering about. Normal
>> apps have no business digging down to that level of sound drivers
>>
>> Go back working your virtual steinberg. It is about as real as a Snit
>> Glasser gainful work
>
> I still see Flatfish is still engaged in its wild rant fantasies. I have
> to reinstall Windows XP on my desktop. Again. Why? Now it is video
> drivers. Windows Media Player and Apple's player shows a blank screen,
> only audio on video files.
>
> Why? My son changed the motherboard. It has a newer ATI integrated
> graphics. Only way to fix Windows is a clean reinstall.
Only way to fix windoze is dump the POS, & install a Linux distro.
> Ubuntu? No changes required, it detected the newer hardware and adapted. I
> didn't have to do anything. At all. In fact, my whole family uses Ubuntu
> to view videos whether from the Internet or from cameras. Linux rocks.
>
> Linux is definately the better product. Naturally.
But of course. :-)
--
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Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
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