QNX on BBB

[Thorsten Gonschior]

Hi all,

I intend to run QNX on BBB A6A. Has anyone any kind of experience or information of the QNX BSP for BBB?

- QNX foundry27 is not available on that topic
- could not find any current texts on this in the internet
- TI does not support this topic
- latest QNX entry in this forum is 10 moth ago
- QNX support has not answered my question yet

Thanks for hints.

Regards,
Thorsten.

[doog]

Have you searched QNX for what they support? If not this page pretty much spells it out for you:

http://www.qnx.com/partners/ti/

hint: the page title is "QNX Support for TI AM335x"

Doug

[Thorsten Gonschior]

hey doug, thanks for reply.
yes I lready did and also found that, lets say ... claim ;)

QNX support did not respond yet and the links on their pages on that topic all end dead on foundry 27.
first glance it looks that there is something going on but nothing to find after some digging.

regarding QNX I wonder in what situation they are at all currently. After being sold to RIM ist there still interest in other embedded market, than automotive and mobile communication?

Several emails to sales for quotes and services for technical issues are not been responded.

[doog]

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 11:29:49 PM UTC-8, Thorsten Gonschior wrote:

hey doug, thanks for reply.
yes I lready did and also found that, lets say ... claim ;)

QNX support did not respond yet and the links on their pages on that topic all end dead on foundry 27.
first glance it looks that there is something going on but nothing to find after some digging.

I had only clicked through a couple of those links when I found I needed to register with them. So I guess you were able to register and get an account but you're saying those links are server 404 errors?

That should probably be brought up with their webmaster and/or posted to another forum regarding the forum support and not "technical support" as in QNX tech support. It would be quite strange that they would link to download images and not have functioning images available.

 

regarding QNX I wonder in what situation they are at all currently. After being sold to RIM ist there still interest in other embedded market, than automotive and mobile communication?

This may be the only thing they will have left of value as their phone/communicator business faulters. IIRC I saw an automotive control system vendor state they were going to QNX. It does have a market.

Several emails to sales for quotes and services for technical issues are not been responded.

if the question was if they support the BeagleBone and they don't know their links and support pages are non-functional then they might be swamped with other "technical" issues instead of thinking they just need to point out they have pages stating the support is there. As you stated your question in this forum and how quickly I found that they state specifically supporting Beaglebone I wondered what 'work' you really did to find the answer. It looked pretty obvious there was support.

Doug

[Thorsten Gonschior]

yes I did register and there are broken links and I already posted this to QNX, as said without response.

 

finding the beagleboard or BBB on the support page without any further info or data, does not convince me that they are really supporting it in the basic manner of understanding the word support or that thei have anything working there. All this could be circumstantial. What bothers me, ist that the community on this topic seems to be quite small, if exintent at all.

 

Yea I spend quite a time now in investigating this issue and yes there ist some hints to find, but no substential data, or real source.

Best hope for now ist that foudry27 fixes the links and there might me a whole new world behind it ;)

 

 

 

 

[liyaoshi]

Seems QNX is updating the website . 

QNX Release 6.6 for several days ago .maybe they want to have some archive work ?

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[liyaoshi]

Or

maybe QNX will NOT release BSP source code ???

[tonso...@gmail.com]

They do release it. I have a copy. You need to be signed up on their site to get the downloads.

[tonso...@gmail.com]

I am seeing the broken links now .... If anyone wants the BSP, let me know. It also contains a prebuilt image. I am interested in using QNX on the BBB, but lack the skills to put together a flashable uSD.

[Thorsten Gonschior]

tonsofbuys,

it would be good to have at least something to get started but finally it is imperative that QNX supports this issue. Without any official release and/or support I would not use the QNX OS at all.

Two days ago I got response from QNX Germany Support. The answer was a question what I want do to with the BSP.

[Thorsten Gonschior]

issue solved.

this is how it works:
1. get in contact with your local qnx representative and get a another support companies address
2. convince the support company to give you a recommendation for foundry27 project
3. write an application to join the foundry project (the registration alone is not doing the trick)
4. once you get accepted, there it is ...

... all the brave new world I hoped for ;)

Yes there is QNX 6.6 and there is support for BBB including BSP and boot and docs and stuff

[dlewin555]

Seems not so obvious.

So QNX has an opensource part but for BBB it implies these steps ...

[tonso...@gmail.com]

Thorsten,

If you get an image that can be written to a uMC and flashed to the BBB, could you please contact me - sa...@dsgep.com

Thanks

[liyaoshi]

If you dont care about the boot time . 

You can boot with u-boot from sd card . then , load ifs to 0x81000000

Also , you can add fdisk to your own ifs , when boot up , use fdisk and mkqnx6fs on eMMC

You can use dd to write ifs in to /dev/hd0 , and when boot up , mount eMMC as rootfs .

What's your current problem ?

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[tonso...@gmail.com]

Please see:

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/?place=forum/beagleboard&showsearch=true&showpopout=true&showtabs=true&hideforumtitle=true&parenturl=http%3A%2F%2Fbeagleboard.org%2FCommunity%2FForums#!categories/beagleboard

[tonso...@gmail.com]

Sorry, part of the URL got cut off ....

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/?place=forum/beagleboard&showsearch=true&showpopout=true&showtabs=true&hideforumtitle=true&parenturl=http%3A%2F%2Fbeagleboard.org%2FCommunity%2FForums#!searchin/beagleboard/hiring/beagleboard/pyWPkM9mDDA/hBrUh34aCy8J

[liyaoshi]

How is your going ?

Can you boot to the console now ?

[tonso...@gmail.com]

Did you read at all?

I do not have the skills to do this. I am not asking for instructions. I am willing to pay someone to do this for me.

[liyaoshi]

Get QNX boot from BBB board will take no much time ,but sedona ??

[liyaoshi]

Just as a suggestion , use Linux , maybe you have chance ,since Oracle only release JDK for linux on ARM platform .

[Thorsten Gonschior]

tonso,

in case you are interested in hiring or buying please contact me. I am working on an industrial embedded real time ARM Cortex A8 platform, derivated from BBB running QNX. I am in cooperation with another small company that is doing the hardware derivate. Software is on my part.

Thorsten Gonschior
TGonschior(at)spectral-process.com
www.spectral process.com

[Thorsten Gonschior]

NEWS:  - Show stopper  -

After clearing up some technical aspects I ran into a major show stopper. Price of QNX Develoment environment is about 10.000,-eur. Even if I would be willing to invest this kind of money, my tarket was to establish a development platform for engineering offices. I know for sure that most of small engineering offices or soltary engineer are not willing or able to invest this for smaller of projects.

I start the attempt to convince QNX that there is a large community out there willing to work with qnx OS for a huge variety of projects and applications, but not willing to passt this kind of entry barrier.


I would appreciate comments on my assumption.

Regards,
Thorsten.

[David Lewin]

Well that was my point in my previous comment. Whereas I think QNX is a really great RTOS hopefully "brigded" to opensource -whereas being closed source- in recent years (yes recent compared to >20 years of existence) , from the start I've believed in the µKernel architecture as the best one. Anyway, prices and -royalties- allways stopped me, as for µC/OS as well. 

Honestly, I really like to use QNX on BBB but strongly believe that if it's not on Raspberry it won't be ported to BBB neither.

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[Thorsten Gonschior]

quote: "Seems not so obvious. So QNX has an opensource part but for BBB it implies these steps ..."

hm, ok sry I must have missed your point :)

I agree that QNX is probably the best choice for a robust and well designet real time embedded system. In this I do not bother the OS-price or royalty which probably is scalable.

Texas Instruments learned this 10 or 15 Years ago when the Code Composer Studio was very expensive and a simple JTAG Pod cost 3.000,-. Even Microsoft pushes the development platforms for free into the market, because all of them understand that the major market is selling the operating system (in case of Microsoft) or selling the hardware (in case of TI) and not selling the development solutions. See XILINX, development studio incuding simulator for free.

This is what makes people work with it. Expecting 10.000,- as entry cost is the best guaranty to avoid thousands of developers working with QNX and thereby hundreds of thousands licences of the OS.

I dont understand this philosophy ....

20 Years of experience as embedded developer showed me on thing. 1.000,- eur or $ ist the magic barrier. this is what people invest as an attempt for some half cooked idea thy have. Max be that 95 % of those ideas will never reach any state of economic asset, but once in a while it will and it will do with power. suppressing this kind of innovative forces is hurting the provider itself.

I am 50% convinced today that I will build my platform on Linux RT.

keep you posted ...
Thorsten.

[David Lewin]

well ok, but I'm not sure to understand all of it : 

"I am 50% convinced today that I will build my platform on Linux RT"

what are the other 50% stands for ? what will change it for a complete decision, what are the requirements above price ?

For the "freeing" part I'd say that QNX did it differently than the other (MS, Ti, and even Arm ) with their licensing policy. Anyway, this doesn't helped so much indeed:  hence my particular focus on Xenomai for BBB instead.

[Thorsten Gonschior]

the 50% means that I still hope for QNX to make a better price for the development system (much better). The local Distributor is making an appeal to qnx in this matter, especially to reduce costs for the endcustomer developer. My reality proven me tells me to accept the situation as it is and find something payable.

the other 50% hopes for RT patch on linux ist better than my experience tells me or xenomai is less complex than I currently think. My research on this is ongoing. I am currently reading reports, experience papers and stuff with suspicious conscience.

QNS would have been a nice choice. probably it just takes some time for me to convince myself on a chemical basis. lets say cheat my guts feelings accept the facts deal with it ... ;)

[doog]

RIM has lots of money they need to keep coming in and cutting prices means less income so don't hold your breath or you'll never get the project done but you also won't be around to worry about it neither. ;-)

FYI, they paid around $200M for QNX and their other businesses are not doing well...

http://blog.vdcresearch.com/embedded_sw/2010/04/update-2-rim-to-acquire-qnx-terms-of-the-deal.html

[Thorsten Gonschior]

understood :)

but think of this... 5.000 development licenses @ 10.000,-€ -> 50.000.000
plus 5.000 projects decoupling 1000 OS licenses @ 100€ each -> 500.000.00,

ok I am just guessing

so
500.000 development licenses for free -> 0,-
plus 20.000 projects decoupling 1000 OS licenses @ 100,- each -> 2.000.000.000,-


play with the numbers all you want, but the principle stays the same

development entry costs supress the multiplicator of having many active products in the market that sell OS licences ;)

in addition to this, many products in the market provide many interested pepople building many new applications that brings you back to my point .... :D

again, TI did it, Microsoft did it, Xilinx did it, and I guess a lot of others too.

yea who am I to question ... I am currently deeply interested in xenomai .... crazy stuff,

" He's a lumberjack, and he's ok. He sleeps all night and works all day."

[David Lewin]

Seems you went into the same path then : left QNX for Xenomai. 

Btw, putting this in the previous post this decreases the potential additional licenses from the 500.000 you were guessing about.

I talk about people that won't buy license and almost won't put any energy to get QNX more involved, as instance in BBB here. These are many loss.

"He cuts down trees, he wears high heels , suspendies...and a bra ?"

[liyaoshi]

QNX also have some interesting

For MicroKernel architecture, You can make GLES2 app run within 2 seconds from power on

On current Ti BSP ,whatever GLSDK / EZSDK/ DVSDK

I dont know if anyone get GLES app can run within 2 second

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