next version: 1.0.87

[Mario Frasca]

hi everyone.

it's an early announcement of a "next" version, meaning it's not yet published, 1.0.87, I'm about to do that, possibly in the next 24 hours.
why the announcement?  1.0.87 will include the new pocket server, ported back from 3.1, and that's definitely worth some fanfare!

the corresponding client is available on demand, or when I have time to publish it on google, which might during week 41 (we now live in week 38).  I will not have the time to quality-check the client, so please help me testing it.  it will be well worth the effort.

best regards,

Mario

[Mario Frasca]

making it easier: I've just released ghini.pocket 1.8, it's on the Play Store.

ghini.pocket 1.8 can interact with ghini.desktop 1.0.87 and 3.1.7 (both also just released).

keep in mind that the two ghini.desktop lines 1.0 and 3.1 are not mutually compatible.

I'm sure the interaction needs some fine-tuning, definitely from the client side, so believe your data is safe enough but be ready to provide bug reports and change requests.

cheers, enjoy,

MF

[thay...@yahoo.com]

Hi Mario,

I have tried installing pocket 1.8. And I saw the "connect to g.desktop", I tried to connect to my PostgreSQL database using the details but was unsuccessful, I got a de.timroes.axmlrpc.XMLRPCException Java.IO.EOFException. 

I also tried exporting the database from within Ghini Desktop and moving the file into the place in the Android file system using the procedure described on the Google Play webpage. While Ghini.Pocket started successfully, searching the database only turned up the default preinstalled data. 

Can you please provide more information on how to connect to either the database SQLite and or Ghini Desktop? 

Will this interact with a PostgreSQL database? Or is it talking to the Ghini software?

-Thayer

[thay...@yahoo.com]

I should say that I am using a cheapo phone with Android 5.1.1 installed (no upgrade possible).

-Thayer

[Mario Frasca]

Hi Thayer,

first of all thanks for checking out ghini (desktop+pocket).  the ghini.pocket app is quite new, and I've had not many chances to test it on the field.  I hope, with enough feedback and determined users, to make it just as stable as ghini-1.0

pocket-1.8 talks with desktop-(3.1.8 / 1.0.88). which one are you using?

ghini.pocket speaks an xml-rpc API with a ghini.desktop 'server'.  pocket does not know what type of database desktop is talking to.  pocket has no way to directly speak to a database server.

can you provide screenshots?  in particular the 'pocket server' window in desktop, with the `settings` expanded and visible.  and the `desktop client` pane in pocket, and please without the virtual keyboard which may stand in the way.

it will take me a couple of weeks before I have time, but I have already planned a ghini.pocket 1.9, since I've already issues.  oh, btw: you want to open a new one on the development site?  https://github.com/Ghini/ghini.pocket/issues/new

maybe it's just ambiguous documentation, but still an issue.

cheers,

Mario

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On 10/12/2018 12:52 PM, thayeray via ghini/bauble wrote:
> I should say that I am using a cheapo phone with Android 5.1.1
> installed (no upgrade possible).

no worry: also my own case.
the idea is that it should work with cheapo stuff.
;-)

[thay...@yahoo.com]

OK, I need to upgrade my Ghini Desktop, I am on 1.0.82. When I start Ghini Desktop it warns me that a "new remote version 1.0.88 is available continue, or exit to upgrade". 

I exited and I downloaded the devinstall.sh script again and ran it, without problem. When I start G.Desktop again it still it still lists 1.0.82 in the connection window.

I am running Ubuntu.

-Thayer

[thay...@yahoo.com]

I should mention that the third line of the terminal output says "Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/ghini-1.0". Everything installs into my home folder /.virtualenvs/ghini-1.0/share/  and I authenticated so that it can make Ghini available to other users.

-T 

[Mario Frasca]

this is new what you mention, but it may be associated with a change a did recently, aimed at allowing both 1.0 and 3.1 to be installed next to each other.  (the software is unit tested, but I do not have tests for installation scripts).

previously, the location of the virtual environment was (regardless the version)

~/.virtualenvs/ghide/

now it is one of the two:

~/.virtualenvs/ghini-3.1/
~/.virtualenvs/ghini-1.0/

the installation script does not remove the old ~/.virtualenvs/ghide/ location, so I suspect you're still using that environment.

I guess you could do two things: either help me fix the mistake, or forget about the `devinstall.sh`, and run `ghini -u`.  (ghini -u should update the environment in which that same ghini runs.)  (you need run this as the same user who installed ghini.)

if you feel comfortable with editing text files and checking paths, you could:

remove the old virtual environment (rm -fr);
test which script initializes ghini (which ghini);
correct the paths.

let me know
M

On 10/12/2018 02:46 PM, thayeray via ghini/bauble wrote:

I should mention that the third line of the terminal output says "Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/ghini-1.0". Everything installs into my home folder /.virtualenvs/ghini-1.0/share/  and I authenticated so that it can make Ghini available to other users.

-T 

[Mario Frasca]

hi Thayer

did you manage?

if you did not, what about going on a IRC channel (#ghini, on https://webchat.freenode.net/), or use Telegram (preferably) or Whatsapp (possible) (numbers via private email)?

I'm curious about that "ran it without problem", followed by not seeing the new installed version:  that should not happen.

let me know, cheers,

Mario

[Thayer Young]

Mario,

I am just getting back to this now, we had the first nice day in a while yesterday so I took the dog out for a walk. I will take a look. and get back to you today about whether or not I need more help privately.

-Thayer

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hi Thayer

did you manage?

if you did not, what about going on a IRC channel (#ghini, on https://webchat.freenode.net/), or use Telegram (preferably) or Whatsapp (possible) (numbers via private email)?

I'm curious about that "ran it without problem", followed by not seeing the new installed version:  that should not happen.

let me know, cheers,

Mario

On 10/12/2018 02:42 PM, thayeray via ghini/bauble wrote:

OK, I need to upgrade my Ghini Desktop, I am on 1.0.82. When I start Ghini Desktop it warns me that a "new remote version 1.0.88 is available continue, or exit to upgrade". 

I exited and I downloaded the devinstall.sh script again and ran it, without problem. When I start G.Desktop again it still it still lists 1.0.82 in the connection window.

I am running Ubuntu.

-Thayer

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 2:23:06 PM UTC-4, Mario Frasca wrote:

Hi Thayer,

first of all thanks for checking out ghini (desktop+pocket).  the ghini.pocket app is quite new, and I've had not many chances to test it on the field.  I hope, with enough feedback and determined users, to make it just as stable as ghini-1.0

pocket-1.8 talks with desktop-(3.1.8 / 1.0.88). which one are you using?

ghini.pocket speaks an xml-rpc API with a ghini.desktop 'server'.  pocket does not know what type of database desktop is talking to.  pocket has no way to directly speak to a database server.

can you provide screenshots?  in particular the 'pocket server' window in desktop, with the `settings` expanded and visible.  and the `desktop client` pane in pocket, and please without the virtual keyboard which may stand in the way.

it will take me a couple of weeks before I have time, but I have already planned a ghini.pocket 1.9, since I've already issues.  oh, btw: you want to open a new one on the development site?  https://github.com/Ghini/ ghini.pocket/issues/new

maybe it's just ambiguous documentation, but still an issue.

cheers,

Mario

On 10/12/2018 12:50 PM, thayeray via ghini/bauble wrote:

Hi Mario,

I have tried installing pocket 1.8. And I saw the "connect to g.desktop", I tried to connect to my PostgreSQL database using the details but was unsuccessful, I got a de.timroes.axmlrpc. XMLRPCException Java.IO.EOFException. 

I also tried exporting the database from within Ghini Desktop and moving the file into the place in the Android file system using the procedure described on the Google Play webpage. While Ghini.Pocket started successfully, searching the database only turned up the default preinstalled data. 

Can you please provide more information on how to connect to either the database SQLite and or Ghini Desktop? 

Will this interact with a PostgreSQL database? Or is it talking to the Ghini software?

-Thayer

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 2:29:21 PM UTC-4, Mario Frasca wrote:

making it easier: I've just released ghini.pocket 1.8, it's on the Play Store.

ghini.pocket 1.8 can interact with ghini.desktop 1.0.87 and 3.1.7 (both also just released).

keep in mind that the two ghini.desktop lines 1.0 and 3.1 are not mutually compatible.

I'm sure the interaction needs some fine-tuning, definitely from the client side, so believe your data is safe enough but be ready to provide bug reports and change requests.

cheers, enjoy,

MF

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[Thayer Young]

Before editing the install script I looked in the bin folder for both of the ghide and ghini-1.0 folders and the ghini file is the same for both, am I not understanding something or is the new code not getting downloaded and or installed? I don't have a problem editing the script, just let me know how to change it:

#!~/.virtualenvs/ghini-1.0/bin/python
# EASY-INSTALL-SCRIPT: 'ghini.desktop==1.0.82','ghini'
__requires__ = 'ghini.desktop==1.0.82'
__import__('pkg_resources').run_script('ghini.desktop==1.0.82', 'ghini')

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[Thayer Young]

And I just looked in the ~/bin/ghini file and found that it is launching the ghini-1.0 file. So I will try ghini -u now and see if that works to download and install the new code.

-Thayer

[Mario Frasca]

Thayer, I tried to update my 1.0 on my system, and this worked:

~$ cd Local/github/Ghini/ghini.desktop
~/Local/github/Ghini/ghini.desktop$ git checkout ghini-1.0
~/Local/github/Ghini/ghini.desktop$ . ~/.virtualenvs/ghini-1.0/bin/activate
~/Local/github/Ghini/ghini.desktop$ ./setup.py install

this is also what `ghini -u` does.

let me know how you manage, then we go check ghini.pocket.
if you care to open an issue, or I will do so one in the following days.  advantage of opening it yourself,: you will be notified when something happens about it.

cheers,
M

[Thayer Young]

So I tried ghini -u and it downloaded and installed the 1.0.88 but now I need to install a new launcher icon.

I ended up deleting the old icon that was linked to 1.0.82.

From the command line "ghini" launches 1.0.88.

Now that I have 1.0.88 installed how do I connect my mobile device? Can I use a USB cable or do I need to go over wireless. I guess I need to know my local IP address for my ubuntu machine? I will figure out how to do that on Ubuntu, but then do I use my login credentials to my user on my Ubuntu machine? Also should 44464 be universal for the port or do I need to find that out also.

We can do a chat if you have time. It is the weekend after all. I don't have anything special installed for that. I use Skype and GoToMeeting etc. in web browsers. E-mail me off the list if you want to do this.

-Thayer

[Mario Frasca]

On 10/13/2018 12:20 PM, 'Thayer Young' via ghini/bauble wrote:
> Now that I have 1.0.88 installed how do I connect my mobile device?
> Can I use a USB cable or do I need to go over wireless. I guess I need
> to know my local IP address for my ubuntu machine? I will figure out
> how to do that on Ubuntu, but then do I use my login credentials to my
> user on my Ubuntu machine? Also should 44464 be universal for the port
> or do I need to find that out also.

1.0.88: that's nice,
questions sound like you want to read the docs. ;-)
https://ghini.readthedocs.io/en/ghini-3.1-dev/ghini-family.html#managing-pocket-desktop-interaction
44464 is just GHINI on a phone keyboard.

wireless indeed. I had initially it working via USB, but I later opted
for xml-rpc.

reading docs and a few attempts, that should take you 15 minutes, I guess.
I'm very interested in your evaluation of the docs, so I prefer to let
you figure out what I was trying to explain, and if something is not
clear, you're very welcome to propose an alternative formulation.

on Skype I'm ›mariotomo‹.
M

[Thayer Young]

Mario,

Please let me know when is a good time to reach you by Skype.

I have read through the Docs link you sent, and I have not been able to verify my device. I tried the "Server address" in the ghini/Pocket Server/Settings/Server address and port, listed below the Registration code. I get the same java exception as before except the detail is now: EHOSTUNREACH (no route to host)

I also tried all of the 4 value combinations I get by running "ifconfig -a". The most promising was 127.0.0.1 ECONNREFUSED (connection refused), but then I looked it up and that turns out to be localhost, so that is no good.

I am wondering if maybe I need to change settings locally on my Ubuntu machine to allow for this type of connection? Do I need to set up some type of Apache for this?

From my limited experience with IP addresses I am wondering if the one you are using is an external IP? and your computer is open to external connections?

-Thayer

M

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On 10/13/2018 03:51 PM, 'Thayer Young' via ghini/bauble wrote:
> Please let me know when is a good time to reach you by Skype.

try any time, if I'm connected, it will be fine.
or navigate to https://webchat.freenode.net/ and connect to the #ghini
chatroom.

oh, I realize I did not mention how to get both systems on the same segment.
nor did I mention that if your desktop says 127.0.0.1, you're not going
to have a chance to do a successful connection.
your best guess is have your phone serve wifi (be a hotspot) and connect
by wifi from the desktop.

I'm going to edit the docs.

[Mario Frasca]

do the docs make more sense to you now?

cheers, M

[Thayer Young]

The docs make sense. But I am hoping to not have to activate the telephone portion of the phone. I was hoping to just use wireless, or USB. The phone says that USB tethering won't work without a data plan.

Over my wireless the phone's IP address begins with 172 compared to 10 for the computer.

-Thayer

On Saturday, October 13, 2018, 7:14:29 PM EDT, Mario Frasca <ma...@anche.no> wrote:

do the docs make more sense to you now?

cheers, M

[Mario Frasca]

On Sun Oct 14 07:54:07 2018 'Thayer Young' via ghini/bauble <bau...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Over my wireless the phone's IP address begins with 172
> compared to 10 for the computer. -Thayer

Which amounts to being connected to two different private networks. No (easy) way to have the two systems communicate.

Disable phone data, ignore the "won't work" warning, if that's possible, then try the hotspot or USB tethering options.

Or make sure you connect both devices to the same router.

Your computer, that's a physical machine, or is it running in a virtual box?

M

[Thayer Young]

I realized I have the phone on the guest net and the physical ubuntu computer on the full fledged wireless. I changed the ubuntu to the guest net and now the first three octets in the ip address are the same, but it is giving the more hopeful exception: ECONNREFUSED (connection refused).

-T

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[Mario Frasca]

I would go for the opposite option: both in the full fledged. I bet that (I would not be surprised if) guests have port access limitations. You do start the server, don't you?

[Thayer Young]

Will, do, just lazy.

-T

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I would go for the opposite option: both in the full fledged. I bet that (I would not be surprised if) guests have port access limitations. You do start the server, don't you?

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[Thayer Young]

OK, so I was able to both VERIFY and REGISTER but I had to click on the diagonal arrow button to get it to spin, I assume this is telling Ghini to listen on the port.

When I click PULL all it does is immediately say OK. The docs mention that it should be asked if I want to do this, which it does not.

The server activity dialog does say "get snapshot" with the details of the snapshot,

But I am still not able to search the database in Ghini Pocket successfully. Is there a Docs page I am missing on how to do that? I am able to pull up the defaults preloaded into Ghini like genus but none of the species from my species table.

When I search for an accession number e.g. "2018.0001" I get the following:

no such table: species (code1) while compiling:

SELECT s.family, s.genus, s.epithet, a.code, p.code, a.source, p.location, a.start_date, p.end_date, p.n_of_pics, p.quantity, p.edit_pending, p._id

FROM species s, accession a, plant p

WHERE p.accession_id = a._id AND a.species_id = s._id AND a.code = ? AND p.code = ?

Also is it possible that because my database has extra tables and fields that are not included in the default Ghini that this is causing a problem?

-Thayer

[Mario Frasca]

Please do open an issue for this, I'll look into it possibly tomorrow. Make sure you attach your snapshot, and that you mention where you found it on your phone.
If you altered the database structure on ghini.desktop, also please describe the details of your changes.

[Mario Frasca]

from the docs:

» Start the server on |ghini.desktop| by clicking on that thick square push button: it will stay pushed, slowly spinning, while the server is active.«

[Mario Frasca]

hei Thayer,

thank you for opening issue .

what you mentioned "my database has extra tables" was a very optimistic statement, because you actually replaced a ghini (geography) table with the homonym table from PostGIS.  I do not have the

compatibility with PostGIS is an old issue, solved in ghini-3.1, and which I do not plan addressing for ghini-1.0, for you would get an incompatible line, without the geographic interface available in 3.1.  two misses with one stone.  moreover, ghini-1.0 has entered "EOL", together with Python-2.  I can assist you doing this locally, if you insist.  ;-)

let me know what you decide to make sure your database is understood by ghini, so we can move to the initial desktop/pocket connection issue.

best regards,

MF

On 10/14/2018 12:05 PM, Mario Frasca wrote:

Please do open an issue for this, I'll look into it possibly tomorrow. Make sure you attach your snapshot, and that you mention where you found it on your phone.
If you altered the database structure on ghini.desktop, also please describe the details of your changes.

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[Thayer Young]

I responded to this in the comments of the Github ghini desktop issue #450 page, basically I used search and replace for Geography and replaced with geography_r.

But with testing I figured out that the problem is not my modified database but PostgreSQL as a whole.

I was not able to transfer data from any PostgreSQL database even one populated with the default data from Ghini that had no extensions. If you have a pg version requirement please let me know.

I was able to transfer SQLite to Pocket.

I have sent test data in an SQL file (.txt) via Github.

-Thayer

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On 10/16/2018 11:39 AM, 'Thayer Young' via ghini/bauble wrote:
> basically I used search and replace for Geography and replaced with
> geography_r

I had missed the info.  and anyway even so it's not specific enough for
me to judge what you did **precisely**.

'Geography' (capitalized) is the name of the class.
'geography' (lower case) is the name of the table.

anyway: there's logic in ghini which relies on the way the name of a
class is related to the name of the corresponding table.  you can't just
rename a table and hope it works.  you have much more work to do for
completing the change within the framework.  changing the table
`geography` to `geography_r` corresponds to changing the class
`Geography` to `GeographyR`.  and I'm not sure this would be enough.

PostgreSQL works fine here and at other locations, at least up to psql
(9.6.10, server 9.4.13).  what version are you using?  can you provide
any error messages?  like looking into logs and post here?

regards,
MF

[Thayer Young]

There are no error messages and there is no difference between upper and lower case in postgres identifiers, if you would please read through the entire chain that I wrote you will see all of the steps and information.

If you refer back to our previous conversation about this you said that it was fine to change the identifier.

  If you don't want to make this able to interact with postgis that is silly and makes no sense, but it's your baby do as you wish.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bauble/1-Cx3nr1w6Y

regards,
MF

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On 10/16/2018 12:02 PM, 'Thayer Young' via ghini/bauble wrote:

There are no error messages and there is no difference between upper and lower case in postgres identifiers, if you would please read through the entire chain that I wrote you will see all of the steps and information.

I'm sorry, I don't have so much time to look this up and reconstruct from conversations in human language.  if you altered the code, and you want to tell me, just send a unified diff.  explanations are inherently less precise than code.

If you refer back to our previous conversation about this you said that it was fine to change the identifier.

did I really say that?  "fine to change the identifier"?  oh, well, I sometimes forget details.  my perception, if you refer back to our conversation, is that I clearly expressed the doubt it can work.

  If you don't want to make this able to interact with postgis that is silly and makes no sense, but it's your baby do as you wish.

funny statement.  I'm working at it, but not in line 1.0, which is "EOL".
you want to help, come to ghini-3.1 and enjoy.
you want to use 1.0, and you want help, I can consider that, but if you want to convince me, try with money.

M

[thay...@yahoo.com]

I'm not sure why you ported this back to 1 in the first place. I thought I would help you out by volunteering to test it. You asked me to open the issue on Github. I did that. I am not making this up.

[Mario Frasca]

I think we have a misunderstanding issue here, will you please let me
know how I can contact you on a chat, or use the options I gave you?

[Mario Frasca]

On 10/16/2018 02:19 PM, thayeray via ghini/bauble wrote:
> You asked me to open the issue on Github. I did that.

yes, and you also gave me instructions on how to replicate your
situation and the data to use, and I can't observe the problem.  I
closed the issue as invalid.

since this is not an issue on ghini-1.0, but on your changes to ghini, I
think that the best thing you can do is to fork the project, commit your
changes, push them to github, so I really know what we're talking about.

regards,
MF