Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

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Cheri Mello

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John M,

You have Anglicized names.  Mary is Maria.  Silva may be spelled as Sylva.  William is Guilherme and Perry is Pereria.  Joseph is Jose and Roderick is Rodrigues.  All very common.  You have an ancestor born in a hospital in 1868?  I would see what sources are available for NY.

Ideas for tracing immigrant ancestors can be found on the Azores GenWeb, although many of the sources aren't available for the 1860s: http://goo.gl/F5s1I

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Richard Francis Pimentel

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I do not know what NY had for records but I find it hard to believe that someone was born in a hospital in 1868. Most people were born at home in that time frame. I would see if NY has birth records for the year and search any number of combinations of names to try and find her birth. Most births were reported to the local officials after the birth and were recorded that way.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

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I have come to seek wisdom from the group.  Recently, I have hit a wall with one of my branches.  The ancestor nearest me is Mary Agnes Silva (married William Perry).  She was born in Buffalo, NY Jan 24, 1868.  Her parents were Joseph Silva and Mary Roderick.  I have no records of birth, only the death cert to confirm.  In 1869, I find the family in Oakland, CA, with a new son named Joseph.  Interestingly, Joseph’s name on the internment records is Joseph Dyce.  Also, his death cert is Joseph Dyce with mothers maiden name as Mary Roderick.  So that fits.  Fast forward to the 1880 Oakland, CA census she is now married to Joseph Nichols and living next door to a family of Roderick’s.  I have to assume it’s her brother.  Her mother was also living with the brother I believe.  All are buried at the same cemetery.  All I believe are from the Azores.  I would like to find from where in the Azores.  I have searched Ancestry at nausea, Google, news archives, library of congress and so on.  Anyone have ideas or connections?  I can’t find any info on Joseph Silva the biological father.  I assume only the birth record of Mary Agnes Silva would include that info, but she was born in 1868 Buffalo, NY, hospital unknown.  Mary Roderick (Silva, Dyce, Nichols) died in Oakland in 1901.  The death was only recorded on ledger and gives simple info.  Thanks for reading…

 

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Gayle Machado

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John,

Also, Silva sometimes was shortened from Silveira. 

Gayle Machado


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Cheri Mello

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John M,

You may want to consider turning to DNA.  If an overwhelming group of your Portuguese matches came from Sao Jorge island, at least you'd have a vague clue.

Family Tree DNA (where the Azores DNA Project is housed) usually has a Sizzling Summer Sale in June or July and their Holiday Sale at the end of the year.  They also have a couple of smaller "flash" sales lasting anywhere from 2 days to 2 weeks.  The sales are posted on this list.  The test you would need would be Family Finder (on sale for $199 + $4 shipping).

Pam Santos

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Do you have an obituary?  Sometimes they will say where they are from.

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John,
Doesn't the city of Buffalo have a birth certificate for her? They may also have an archives department which you can probably check on line.
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I have come to seek wisdom from the group.  Recently, I have hit a wall with one of my branches.  The ancestor nearest me is Mary Agnes Silva (married William Perry).  She was born in Buffalo, NY Jan 24, 1868.  Her parents were Joseph Silva and Mary Roderick.  I have no records of birth, only the death cert to confirm.  In 1869, I find the family in Oakland, CA, with a new son named Joseph.  Interestingly, Joseph’s name on the internment records is Joseph Dyce.  Also, his death cert is Joseph Dyce with mothers maiden name as Mary Roderick.  So that fits.  Fast forward to the 1880 Oakland, CA census she is now married to Joseph Nichols and living next door to a family of Roderick’s.  I have to assume it’s her brother.  Her mother was also living with the brother I believe.  All are buried at the same cemetery.  All I believe are from the Azores.  I would like to find from where in the Azores.  I have searched Ancestry at nausea, Google, news archives, library of congress and so on.  Anyone have ideas or connections?  I can’t find any info on Joseph Silva the biological father.  I assume only the birth record of Mary Agnes Silva would include that info, but she was born in 1868 Buffalo, NY, hospital unknown.  Mary Roderick (Silva, Dyce, Nichols) died in Oakland in 1901.  The death was only recorded on ledger and gives simple info.  Thanks for reading…
 
John Machado

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Pam Santos

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Do you know any of her siblings? Was her parents naturalized? or maybe their siblings? That is how I found one of my ancestors first by the obit, then checking his brothers and one brother was naturalized. He also went back to visit the Azores then moved back and died there.

Susan Vargas Murphy

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John,
I have been away for a month and am just catching up with reading all these Azores posts...so sorry this is late. I just wanted to tell you a few ideas that I had.  I looked up your family in 1880 and saw that the Roderick next door had the initial of "I"...i had the idea to check the UPEC membership rolls for that name.....for Oakland, of which there are many pages:)  Unfortunately I did not find a Roderick with that initial...in fact there were only two Rodericks at all in the membership rolls of the Oakland Councils.. There quite a few Rodrigues men, and I am sure your Roderick is an Americanization of Rodrigues....however, there was only one with the initial of I...Ingnacio A Rodrigues, who lived in East Oakand, was from Flores and his wife is the wrong name.....she as Emelia L, and listed as Amelia another year. Ignacio died April 29, 1913...there is a 30 written above the 29...so maybe he died the 30th?  You might want to follow up on that death just to make sure there is no way he is connected to you. I really don't think he is, but he was from Flores.  Another thought that I had is that when you say Mary married to Nichols.....maybe her husband, Joseph Silva changed his name to Nichols? That just occurred to me because on the 1880 Census he is listed as born in Portugal and I don't think he was born with the name of Nichols in Portugal....how you get Nichols from Silva, I don't know....but many of the Portuguese did strange things trying to Americanize their names. I had an great uncle by marriage that went from Soares to Swartz....kind of missed in trying to Americanize...I am sure people must have thought he was German.  With the son Joseph....and the name Dyce.....wonder if that could have been an attempt to change Dias?  Most Portuguese men carried two surames....as in Pereira Vargas in my family.....da Rosa Maciel also my family. My one grandfather was Jose Ignacio Maciel. On the first Census after he arrived he is listed as Joseph Enos...he Americanized his middle name. Then later Census records and what he came to always be known as was Joe Maciel...finally deciding to go by that name!  Another in my family was Garcia in one Census and Goularte in another....again, trying to decide with name to go by. I am just pointing out that your Mary may not have been married as many times as you think...maybe they were just trying to figure out which name to use. Good luck!

Susan Vargas Murphy

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Hi Susan,

Have you considered the chance that maybe Nichols came from Nicolau?
It's usually a first name, of course, but you know how that can also end up as a surname when someone has an ancestor with the more unusual name like that.

Funny about the name Mary Agnes mentioned. My grandmother was Mary Agnes. It seems to have been a popular name in the late 1800s.

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Pam Santos

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One relative in my file changed named from Silva, to Howard, for business reasons. So one never knows.

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Susan Vargas Murphy

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Good idea Doug!
Susan

eric edgar

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John, 

I've identitfied the I Roderick on that census  as Inacio Rodrigues. If you go year by year in the Oakland city directories at the Gold Nugget Library site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~npmelton/ala_indx.html

you can see his name change spellings but the adress stays the same. He is listed usually as Enos Rodrigues, but shows as Ines and Innocencio, and Roderick, Rodriques, and Roderickes. 

The obit is from the Oakland Portuguese newspaper O Lavrador, found at the UMASS Dartmouth Portuguese NewspaperCollection  http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/paa/portuguese-american-digital-newspaper-collections

it says:

 Died 29 April, Mr Inacio Rodrigues, native of the Freguisia of Cedros, Flores

He counted 73 years of age

He was the father of Mrs Manuel Henas, Mrs Manuel Gaspar, Mrs Manuel Dias, and Mrs Manuel Silva. 

There is a Ancestry.com family tree with the Henas family 


 
I'm fairly certain I can find Mary Esabel in the Cedros baptism records as Maria Isabel. 

The Henas mane is likely a corruption of Henriques, a common surname in the northern part of Flores. 

The Nichols is likely Nicolau, and I feel that Joseph Nichols will turn out to be Jose Francisco Nicolau from Cedros

The Dyce name is likely Dias.

I've spent many hours working on the Cedros records. My great grandfather Manuel Jacinto Vieira Rodrigues was born there in 1859. He left a lot of correspondance, so I've spent much time unraveling who the people mentioned in the letters are. 


Any more documents or information you can share might help close in on ancestors.


Eric Edgar 

Researching Flores for Noia , Coelho Rodrigues, Dias, Vieira , da Silveira

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I have an old family photo, written on the back is "Joe Nichols and Mary Esabel Rodrigues Silva Nichols" and "step father and mother of Mary Agnes Silva Perry". Perry being her husbands surname.  So that tells me at least two husbands.  Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce may be one in the same, however.  The I. Roderick that Susan eluded to in the 1880 census I think is a brother to Mary E. Roderick.  I don't believe it's  shear coicendence but who knows.  I did a search of Oakland records before and found an Issac Roderick.  Thank you all for helping'
obito Inacio Rodrigues 29 Apr 1913 .jpg
Bap Ignacio Rodrigues Nov 1839 Cedros Flores.jpg

eric edgar

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John, 

In the Cedros Flores parish records I've seen both a Dias Silveira and da Silveira Dias families.
So , it could be the same guy

Eric Edgar

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John, 

If your Mary Roderick is the sister if Inacio, then here is the baptism record from Cedros, Flores that places them in the same family. 


Eric Edgar
bap Maria de Antonio Inacio Rodrigues 1842 Cedros.jpg

eric edgar

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John, 

I beleive they are siblings and I am sure that the baptism records are them. The Joseph Nichols on the 1880 census matches the address of 676 27th St with the Joseph Nicolas shown on the Calif Great Register of Voters. This shows he was still alive in 1894, so not George Nichols, and the very important date and place of Naturalization . Since it was San Francisco County Court in 1876, Nov 2nd, the original may be lost in the 1906 earthquake and fire.

The obits  not found in the Tribune online with Ancestry are often found in the Oakland Post and Enquirer on microfilm at the Oakland Library newspaper and magazine room. Are you near Oakland? There are also many dates of the Tribune found there that aren't online.

I have also found the marriage record for Inacio Rodrigues and Amelia Marcos from Massachucetts. The parents listed here match those on the baptism record. Amelia was from Santa Cruz , Flores. Her parents names are listed as Marques, and the grandparents as Margarca. 

The death records of their children show as Henas ( a americanization of Enos) or Rodrigues  and Marks .

GASPAR   LOUISE   IMELDA   1883   09   27   MARKS   HENAS   FEMALE   CA   ALAMEDA   1953   02   14      69   1291472

DIAS   MARY   ISABEL   1870   01   23   MARKS   RODGUES   FEMALE   RE   ALAMEDA   1944   08   28      74   364799

HENAS   JOSEPH   ALOYSIUS   1876   01   27   MARK   HENAS   MALE   CA   ALAMEDA   1955   04   20   550227042   79   1527403


If you can scan the photos and post them, I d like to see if they match any of the photos from my great grandfathers collection I have. He was from Cedros also, from the Rodrigues Vieira family and related through his sisters to the Da Silveira. 


It's a really small town, and he was in Oakland in the 1880s, then back to Mass, and settled back in Oakland about 1900. He worked for the Oakland Wharf at one time. Both Inacio Rodrigues and Joseph Nicolas show up in the city directories working there also.

 


Eric Edgar




On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, John Machado <john.e....@gmail.com> wrote:
All I can say is wow and thank you.
 
I do have two old pictures and on the back are the follwoing words.  
 
Picture 1:  Jose Nichols and Mary Isabel Rodrigues Pereira Silva Nichols, mother and step father of Mary Agnes Silva Pereira.  (my note: Pereira being the surname of Mary Agnes Pereira's husband.  Maybe Mary Isabel(Esabel) father was also a Pereira?)
 
Picture 2:  Great Grand Mother and Great Grandfather, Pereira / Rodrigues, parents of Mary Esabella Rodrigues Silva Nichols.  Aunt Clara is in the middle.
 
I have attached both photo backs. 
 
There has to be at least 2 marriages with the words "step father" being included on the photo 1. 
 
I found a George Nichols that matches date of death and age of death in the Alameda County Death ledger.  Also, found Mary E. Nichols.  Not sure if George is Jose but it is interesting. 
 
In regards to the 1880 Census record where Joseph Nichols and Mary E. Nichols is listed next door to a I Roderick, I had to assume they were related.  Do you think it is pure coincidence or would you also concluded a relation.  I reviewed your research regarding I. Rodrigues/Roderick and it is compelling.  I am trying to think of anything else I may have that might help you.  All I have left are the death certs for the children Mary Agnes Silva and Joseph Dyce.  Both have the mother as Mary Roderick and the father(s) as Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce respectively.   
 
Thanks,
John
CaliforniaVoterReg_Alameda_1894 Joseph Nicolas.jpg
marriage MA Enos Rodrigues Amelia Marcos 1868.jpg

eric edgar

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John , 

 The 1903 Oakland City Directory shows Mary E Nichols died 4 Nov 1901.

The 1893 shows Joseph F Nichols at 676 27th ave. Also at same address,  Jos, and a W. Perry 

Eric 

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"very important date and place of Naturalization . Since it was San Francisco County Court in 1876, Nov 2nd, the original may be lost in the 1906 earthquake and fire."
In researching Frank Enos Sousa (Francisco Inacio da Sousa) who resided in Oakland, CA, I was unable to obtain a naturalization record for him.  I was told the only naturalizations that occurred the San Francisco, CA area before 1906 were records that the person had returned to the naturalization office after the earchquake.  (like a delayed recording of the record)  This looked like a dead end to me.
 
In addition to the records destroyed in the earthquake, the 1880 federal census had been "destroyed" and there was no records from that census for the SF bay area.  I heard that there were voter registration records for 1890.  The research I did uncovered the voter registration records for Frank Enos Sousa.  Because there were several pages of his having registered to vote, I guess a person had to re-register each time he voted.  On ONE of those original sheets I found that Frank had written the Island of Flores in the Azores as his place of birth.  All the other sheets said either Azores or Portugal as his birth place.
 
The voter registration records prior to 1920 were in something called the "Erickson Collection."  At the time I found them and looked in the neatly filed binders,  in alphabetical order, they were kept at the University of California Hayward (Now University of California East Bay) that is just a stone's throw from where I live! 
 
I encourage you to keep digging and asking questions.  Those of you who know me are familiar with my asking questions until I get answers that help me with the research I am doing.  
 
Celeste
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eric edgar

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John, 

I've already checked all the Flores records for the Jose F Nicolau and Maria Isabel Rodrigues marriage. I've also checked New York, Massachucetts and Rhode Island. 

There are a few Ancestry.com trees with parts of this family. Is the John's tree with them yours? It's not viewable due to technical problems, says the error message.


They may have married on another island, like Fayal or Sao Miguel before boarding ship. I've seen that before. The name changes take getting used to. It's a normal thing to have six children of the same parents that have different surnames

before 1900, it would be rare for a woman to have a surname. It would be a religious suffix. The ship records from the 1800s show maria de Jesus, de Conceicao. de Acsencion etc. Men often changed surnames once they arrived, 

to Americanize it, or because there were already ten guys in the neighborhood named Manuel Rodrigues, or Joseph Silva

What's very important on birth dates and places is the source. Have you found a New york record from the time of her birth, or is it inferred from the census records?

I've seen a number of cases of children shown as born in the US that have a baptism record in the parents hometown. Back then who could check? It got them citizenship.

Eric Edgar



On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Machado <john.e....@gmail.com> wrote:
Guess who Mary Agnes Silva (daughter of Mary E.Nichols/Silva) married?  Guilherme Francisco Pereira aka William F. Perry.  So that fits perfectly with a W. Perry being at the same address. I will attach the bio of William Perry.  I still have a hard time wrapping my head around all the name changes.  Ok so my next step is to find a marriage record of Mary E. Roderick to Joseph Silva.  I presume it occured Cedros, Flores.
 
So they would have married.  Then came to the USA.  Mary possibly pregnant during the voyage gives birth in Buffalo, New York to Mary Agnes Silva in 1868.  They move within the year to California, Mary gives birth to Joseph Silva (1869) who eventually renames to Joseph Dyce.  I presume Joseph Silva the father either dies or divorces Mary E. Roderick.  She at some point marries Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols dies 15 Sep 1893.  Mary E. Nichols dies 04 Nov 1901. 
 
The Daughter:  Mary Agnes Silva marries William F. Perry roughly in 1887 California.  William F. Perry is from Criacao Velha, Magdalena.  His father was originally from Angústias, Faial and grandmother from Lajes, Flores.
 
I will also attach the cemetery plot record which lists everyone together.
 
Thank you again,

"E" Sharp

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John,
 
I am interested in the Civil War registration you note in your email.  I have much information on my husband's Civil War ancestors but I have no knowledge of a Civil War registration where there is a signature.  I do have where he entered the war, etc. but I don't see a signature anywhere.  Where, how do I access these records?  I have a niece who lives in Vienna VA and I know she would look this up for me.  To see a signature and add it to our files would be wonderful.
 
Thank you.
"E"

eric edgar

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Machado, 

I'm guessing youre 'right on the Great register. I thought it might be his son, but the age shown is 65. From the various sources  his name is Jose F Nicolau. I've checked the Jose Francisco Nicolaus records from Flores and can rule out those.

It may be Jose de Fraga Nicalau, or it he may be from Faial, where there are a group of Nicolau also. The photos are of an earlier date than the ones I have . They seem 1870s 1880s. Most I have are 1900 to 1910 and taken in Northern California

or Flores. I think your best shot is to take the list of death dates to the Oakland Main Library Newspaper room and go through the Oakland Post, Enquirer, and Tribune Microfilms by date to get the Obits. Relatives and places mentioned should further the search.


Eric Edgar

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM, John Machado <john.e....@gmail.com> wrote:
Edgar,
 
Yes, John's Tree is mine.  After reinstalling my op system and FTM my tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share.  Tree Link That should take you to the correct one.  I was thinking that one possible explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is that maybe he died shortly after registering.  If the Joseph Nichols in my tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and finally printed in 1894?  I am confident on the birth location of Mary Agnes Silva based on her death record.  Further evidence is based on the bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry.  It states the same information.  I have not found any other documentation ie. birth certificates, marriage records or census records for NY. 
 
John
 

eric edgar

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John, 

Didn't work from the link . Says invitation expired,

Eric Edgar

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM, John Machado <john.e....@gmail.com> wrote:
Edgar,
 
Yes, John's Tree is mine.  After reinstalling my op system and FTM my tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share.  Tree Link That should take you to the correct one.  I was thinking that one possible explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is that maybe he died shortly after registering.  If the Joseph Nichols in my tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and finally printed in 1894?  I am confident on the birth location of Mary Agnes Silva based on her death record.  Further evidence is based on the bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry.  It states the same information.  I have not found any other documentation ie. birth certificates, marriage records or census records for NY. 
 
John
 

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eric edgar

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John, 

Here's my relative from Cedros, Manuel Jacinto Vieira Rodrigues. This was probably taken in the California in the 1880s. 


This family group was sent to him by his sister, so I'm guessing Cedros again. This looks like 1910s or 1920s to me. 


Your photo of Mary Rodericks parents must be from the 1850s or 1860s. This makes me wonder if they too came to the US and we should be looking for them.

I've not seen any photos from the Azores from that early before. 

The photo of Jose Nichols shows that northern European look with high cheekbones and narrow eyes. See that more in Flores and Faial. 

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Eric,
 
Your requested photos.
Manuel J Vieira 1880s.JPG
Family portrait.JPG

eric edgar

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John, 

What do your know about " Aunt Clara" in the photo. Mary Esabella's sister ?

Eric

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Eric,
 
Your requested photos.

eric edgar

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John,

Here's the Obit from the Oakland Tribune.There were none for Joseph Nichols 1893 or John Dyce 1915 in either the Tribune or The Oakland Enquirer

Eric Edgar

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I know nothing of Aunt Clara.  If I knew who created the notation on the back of the picture I could pin down which generation.  I am also trying to figure out what it says at the bottom, "Mother Nichols between mom  ....".  I believe it was written by my grand mother Maureen.  IF thats the case, Clara would be a sister of Catherine or of her husband George Vargas.
 
John
 
PS. I sent you a tree link via email.   
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John Machado

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I have been away from the hunt lately but easing back into it.  Regarding the above topic, I have a new lead or should I say mystery.  The Mary E. Nichols (Possibly AKA Maria Esabella Rodrigues), maiden name Mary E. Roderick, arrived on or about 1868 giving birth to Mary Agnes Silva in Buffalo, NY.  The very next year, she gave birth to another child Joseph Dyce, in Oakland, CA.  By 1880, she was married to Joseph Nichols according to the 1880 Federal Census for Oakland, CA.  I know she remarried at least once due to a family photo notating "Step Father" in regards to Joseph Nicholas. However, I was thinking the first husband (Joseph Silva) could have possibly changed his name to Dyce.  Just yesterday, I received the death cert for the child born in CA(Joseph Dyce) and it lists Joseph DYCE, b. Massachusetts as the father.  The daughter born in Buffalo, NY death cert said her father was Joseph Silva born in the Azores.  I am so confused.  Either she "got around", or I am missing something.  I understand the death certs are only as good as the informants.  Anyway, the hunt continues.  Joseph Dyce the son died May 30, 1915 at the San Leandro, CA County Infirmary.  His occupation was a Marine Fireman.  I am not sure if that means he was a firefighter for the docks or Marine as in military. 
 
Another mystery find.  I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section that read; "Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva) deed to Mary A Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N Park..."  Where did Foote come in?  Mary E. Roderick (Silva,Nichols) died in Nov 1,1901.  So I assume this is transferring of the estate. In the 1900 federal census she is listed as Mary E. Nichols.  I can tie everything together based on the address.
 
In the end, I am no further along than I was in Feb.  As always, thank you to this community for helping in many ways.
 
John Machado 

eric edgar

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Aug 4, 2013, 8:18:08 PM8/4/13
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John, 

What was the date of death on the certificate for Joseph Dyce?  The California death index shows he died 30 May 1915, but the interment from the cemetery record was October 18 1915. 

Who was the informant?

Eric Edgar


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John Machado

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Eric,
 
I seen that anomaly as well.  The death cert does say May 30, 1915.  He is located in a family plot with people I am 100% confident about being the correct family.  The interment records show age only for him, but it matches exactly days months and years.  The record also shows interment as Oct 15, 1915 but not a death date.  I am 99.9% sure its a match.  I do not understand why it took so long to bury him.  The death cert does say he was buried in a Protestant Cemetery.  However, Saint Mary's in Oakland, CA, where he is buried is Catholic.  Maybe he was moved?  The informant appears to be a person named All Forsyth who also signed as Subregistrar.  The address for that person is stated as "A.C.I" which I assume means, "Alameda County Infirmary".  Sounds to me like an employee of the infirmary.  IT also says he was married but no name given. :(  I have attached the interment record.  Also note, Joseph Nichols last name spelled Nicholau.  Not sure if that was done on purpose or what.  You eluded to the possibility of that being the true name back in Feb. 
 
Thanks,
John
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