Ancestor info- Antonio Brier

[Corinne Merritt]

We are trying to find info on my Great Grandmother, Josephine Brier.  I found a marriage cert to my G Grandfather, John F Barnes and it states that her father was Antonio.  I have also seen a naturalization record for him from Fayal, Azores Islands, Portugal.  He was born in 1872 and Naturalized in 1900.  Anyone can help me find his side of the tree or know where I can obtain info for him?  There is very limited from what I can find.  I am wondering if he changed his name possibly?.  Possible last name may have been Oliver as a new cousin showed up on my 23 and me with Portuguese decent and one of her relatives had his brother listed as Antone on a census.  I am thinking this might be him and maybe the census just added "Oliver" since he said it was his brother, or he changed his name.... or totally different person all together!  I am stuck and need help!   cor...@yahoo.com  or cmerr...@gmail.com (secondary)

Thanks to anyone that can assist.

[Cheri Mello]

Corrine M,

Brier is not a Portuguese surname. It must be corrupted from something else. Maybe someone has some ideas.

Josephine could be Josefa there. So keep that name in mind too.

Common Portuguese names for males are Manuel, Antonio, Jose, Francisco, Joao. We all have Antonio's in our trees.

Oliver would be Oliveira over there. The final vowel was kinda swallowed and not enunciated, so it sounded closer to o-LEE-ver (ver rhymes with bear. A native speaker can do better, I'm sure).

I don't know when you tested on 23 and Me. If it was their v. 3 or v. 4 chip, you can transfer to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). If you tested with 23 and Me since August 2017, you are on their v. 5 chip and it won't transfer. 23andMe tests about 640,000 SNPs (compared to FTDNA's 700,000), however, only 160,000 of those SNPs can be used by FTDNA (the rest that 23 and Me uses are medical, I believe). FTDNA won't imputate either (make the computer take a guess - too many false positives, I'm sure). I understand that GedMatch kinda separates 23andMe's v. 5 kits because they have so few family markers (Ancestry DNA has about 350,000 SNPs). If you tested at AncestryDNA, you can transfer as they have about half the family SNPs that FTDNA tests for. Or you can just test on FTDNA and get 100% of their SNPs. Let me know if this interests you.

You need to do more work on your Josephine. You need to figure out her freguesia (like a village) on Faial, her birthdate (or something within a range) and who her parents were. Having Antonio is not enough. I have 6 Josefa's in my genealogy program who have father's named Antonio. I'm sure other long-time researchers can beat my numbers.

Start with Josephine's death and work backwards. You have no death dates (or birth or marriage) for her. Or you didn't state them in the post. You need 3 pieces of information: Name, date, and place and you need it for 3 key events: birth, marriage, and death. There's 30+ pages of how to here: https://goo.gl/HQJ59h

Good luck and keep us posted on how you are doing. Or if you have previously unposted information to share.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:32 AM Corinne Merritt <corin...@gmail.com> wrote:

We are trying to find info on my Great Grandmother, Josephine Brier.  I found a marriage cert to my G Grandfather, John F Barnes and it states that her father was Antonio.  I have also seen a naturalization record for him from Fayal, Azores Islands, Portugal.  He was born in 1872 and Naturalized in 1900.  Anyone can help me find his side of the tree or know where I can obtain info for him?  There is very limited from what I can find.  I am wondering if he changed his name possibly?.  Possible last name may have been Oliver as a new cousin showed up on my 23 and me with Portuguese decent and one of her relatives had his brother listed as Antone on a census.  I am thinking this might be him and maybe the census just added "Oliver" since he said it was his brother, or he changed his name.... or totally different person all together!  I am stuck and need help!   cor...@yahoo.com  or cmerr...@gmail.com (secondary)

Thanks to anyone that can assist.

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My family uses Jesuina for Josephine.

 

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[Corinne Merritt]

Hello,   I am still sooo stuck.  I believe the last name may have been Braia possibly.  I found his naturalization record only online and no census , Marriage or death record or anything!.  He is only listed on my grandmothers wedding listing.  They are John F Barnes and Josephine Brier.( NY). at the bottom are the parents names, Antonio and Catherine Boskovich, but the family name is Voskovitch.  Antonio has on his naturalization record the date and he came over.  Upon research one boat came from Portugal the day before and I found an Antonio Braia listed!  but it shows him as being 5 (and a Laborer !) but if this was listed as 15, it is him then.  I am pretty sure this is him. 

At this point, I am not sure that he is just the father and maybe they were not married?   This part of the family is sooo messed up  ha!  It shows my GGrandmother (Josephine) was born in Bayonne NJ on her marriage info, but cannot find anything of anyone being in NJ, leads me to think she was just born there (??  just guessing).

I did find a family with a Kathryn Voskovich, married to a Charles and they had a daughter Josephine. 

Family lore is that Josephine came over with another family on a boat to escape Europe and she took the family name, but, with her parents listed on the marriage info and showing her born here in the US. that is debunked.   Its just that I cannot find anyone under any name.

Thanks

Corinne

[E. Sharp]

In the 1930 U. S. census there is a John Viskovich 54 to US 1895, Josephine 38 to US 1909, both born in Yugoslavia (Croatia) NA Plumber, children Nicholas, 19, Michael, 18, Theresa, 17, Anna, 15, Antonio 11. All kids born NY. Living in Messina, St. Lawrence County NY. Also 2 boarders. I am very aware of this name changing as my family came from Yugoslavia now Croatia in 1800 to Portugal and depending on where the family is now living the name is spelled 4 different ways!!! Living now in Croatia, Italy, Portugal, Brazil and U. S. Oh. Also Costa Rica. And eventually I found all of them and visited them in these countries. Keep searching!!!

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[Corinne Merritt]

Hello,   I am still sooo stuck.  I believe the last name may have been Braia possibly.  I found his naturalization record only online and no census , Marriage or death record or anything!.  He is only listed on my grandmothers wedding listing.  They are John F Barnes and Josephine Brier.( NY). at the bottom are the parents names, Antonio and Catherine Boskovich, but the family name is Voskovitch.  Antonio has on his naturalization record the date and he came over.  Upon research one boat came from Portugal the day before and I found an Antonio Braia listed!  but it shows him as being 5 (and a Laborer !) but if this was listed as 15, it is him then.  I am pretty sure this is him. 

At this point, I am not sure that he is just the father and maybe they were not married?   This part of the family is sooo messed up  ha!  It shows my GGrandmother (Josephine) was born in Bayonne NJ on her marriage info, but cannot find anything of anyone being in NJ, leads me to think she was just born there (??  just guessing).

I did find a family with a Kathryn Voskovich, married to a Charles and they had a daughter Josephine. 

Family lore is that Josephine came over with another family on a boat to escape Europe and she took the family name, but, with her parents listed on the marriage info and showing her born here in the US. that is debunked.   Its just that I cannot find anyone under any name.

Attached are copies 1, copy and paste of marriage and attached 2 records. 

Thanks

Corinne

Name:	John F. Barnes
Event Type:	Marriage
Event Date:	08 Oct 1917
Event Place:	Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place:	Manhattan, New York
Gender:	Male
Age:	30
Marital Status:	Single
Race:	White
Birth Year (Estimated):	1887
Birthplace:	Richmond, N.Y. City
Father's Name:	William
Mother's Name:	Catherine Lucey
Spouse's Name:	Josephine Brier
Spouse's Gender:	Female
Spouse's Age:	22
Spouse's Marital Status:	Single
Spouse's Race:	White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):	1895
Spouse's Birthplace:	Bayonne, N.J.
Spouse's Father's Name:	Antonio
Spouse's Mother's Name:	Catherine Boskovitz

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[E. Sharp]

Is Josephine’s maiden name Matutinovich?  And this this family mainly stay around Messina NY??

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[Margaret Vicente]

Corinne,

 

You may wish to try searching for Pereira instead of Brier for Passengers arriving in the US within those parameters.  Pereira will sound like Brier when applying the ENG phonetics.

 

Good luck.

 

Margaret

 

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[Cheri Mello]

I checked James Guill's "A History of the Azores Islands." He found Braia as a Portuguese surname. Only thing is we don't know where he found it or what he was reading. If it is Portuguese, it's one rare surname. I really think Pereira is the better bet. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Susan Murphy]

I do remember hearing my relatives speak of someone of that surname when I was growing up in Fremont, CA, which was a hotbed of Portuguese at that time. It’s familar to me.

Susan Vargas Murphy 

[Corinne Merritt]

Josephine married John F Barnes and her maiden name was Brier- it lists her father as Antonio and her mother as Catherine Boskovich, but the family name is Voskovich.  I cannot find any records that they were married or even together on a census. (Antonio and Catherine)   There is an Antionio (Anthony) Brier (and Bryer) and Catherine O'Brien married in Massachusetts,   Antonio came to New Bedford Mass per his naturalization record, if in fact that one is my ancestor.

Thank you

[Cheri Mello]

One place you talk about Oliver (Oliveira) and another you talk about Braia. I DID find Braia on Faial They can be found in Cedros, Feteira, Horta (all 3 churches: Angustias, Conceicao, and Matriz), Pedro Miguel, Praia do Norte, Ribeirinha, and Salao. The name is NOT in Capelo or Praia do Almoxarife.  I don't know about Castelo Branco or Flamengos. I hope you are after Braia.

One document you have is an index to naturalization. It says that Antonio Braia was born 27 Feb 1872 and arrived 29 March 1888. So that would make him 16 at arrival. He may have been 15 when he left though. You can look through all the baptisms on the island of Faial, looking for an Antonio b. 27 Feb 1872 to a Braia family:

https://tombo.pt/m/hrt  Click the British flag is you need to navigate in English. Once you find the baptisms for 1872 and you click on that book to view it, you are looking at the records from that freguesia (village) in the Azores which are written in Portuguese. If you don't read Portuguese, you'll still be able to pick out names though. And February is Feveiro, so it's close. https://tombo.pt/m/hrt

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Margaret Vicente]

You may have to search through Faial and Sao Jorge islands birth records.  I did a white pages directory search and found the surname Braia in Castelo Branco Faial. 

 

A quick check of the Horta passports turned up a Braia out of the island of Sao Jorge. Nothing from Faial for those dates.

 

Margaret

 

 

From: Corinne Merritt
Sent: February 4, 2019 10:11 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestor info- Antonio Brier

 

Josephine married John F Barnes and her maiden name was Brier- it lists her father as Antonio and her mother as Catherine Boskovich, but the family name is Voskovich.  I cannot find any records that they were married or even together on a census. (Antonio and Catherine)   There is an Antionio (Anthony) Brier (and Bryer) and Catherine O'Brien married in Massachusetts,   Antonio came to New Bedford Mass per his naturalization record, if in fact that one is my ancestor.

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["E" Sharp]

Corinne,

I found an Antonio Brier born in Fayal/Faial Azores 2/27/1872.  Arrived in New Bedford 3/30/1888.  Naturalized in 1900.  So from what I can figure out....this is the Portuguese side of your family tree.  Jon F. Barnes married his daughter Josephine Brier.  Josephine's mother is not Portuguese.  If Antonio came to US in 1888, which would have made him 16 which would mean married here...probably in MA? Josephine was born in the United States.  I would look at the Passportes working back from 3/30/1888.  Others on the list can tell you what port he would have left from as I am not sure of this. At my age, I have difficulty reading these Passportes records.  I will keep searching.  

[luiznoia]

Here is a sister for captain Anthony Brier in this 1919 news entry

Eric Edgar

[luiznoia]

The Diairo de Noticias was published in New Bedford, so that's the city the sister lives in.

Eric