Resting after 14 days treatment at Kottakkal, Thrikkakara

[Sindhu Deepak]

Greetings of the day, everyone!

Thank you for starting this group. I have gone through each post and feel very positive and confident.

A little about myself...
I'm a plump 32 years old, mother of a troublesome two year old and last worked as a nursery teacher at Eurokids.

I had a slip and fall during my pregnancy in 2010 and ignored all backaches and stress from there on. The temporary solution was a vigorous rub of some pain balm or some anti-inflammatory pills if I got spasms (which I got twice till date).
All this took a toll on April 9th, 2013 when I sneezed while lying on my tummy. Experienced sciatica and was rendered bedridden. Tried homeopathy, allopathy and finally found some relief to my pain in Ayurvedic treatment by Dr. Jayasree P V at Kotakkal, Thrikkakara (Ernakulam). After 2 weeks of medications I did an MRI scan and understood that my condition was that of bulge in disc L4/5, dehydration of the fluid surrounding that disc and leakage of the same towards the nerves in my right leg... A little serious condition. I was advised surgery at Sunrise Hospital but opted for Ayurvedic treatment since I had experienced a major relief in the pain and numbness in my right leg. Underwent 14 days of pizhichil (oil massage) and podikizhi at Kottakkal and today was the last day. I am able to walk almost normally and there is no more constant pain. The real test begins from tomorrow for the next 14 days... The resting period! That's why I sought the help of this group. All your messages have given me an idea as to what to expect and mainly, a confidence.

I am supposed to repeat the 14 days treatment every 6 months for the next 3 years. After reading your posts, I'm mentally prepared to bring in the lifestyle changes and adapt to a disciplined life ahead. Thank you and wish me luck.

Wishing each one of you a healthy and happy life!

Warm Regards,

Sindhu Deepak

[Shivani S]

Congratulations and thanks for the info!

The next 14 days keep warm and relax as you would at Arya Vaidya Sala.

Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Shivani

Sydney, Australia

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[Shruti Vaid Dutta]

Good luck, Sindhu! The biggest problem, I feel for women (especially, with kids) is that they do not understand how much rest they really require after this treatment. Active women find some reason or the other to work during their rest period and that is when the effects of the treatment begin to diminish quickly. I hope you understand that and try to remain passive most of the time! :)

Take care and I hope the treatment helps you! :)

[Sindhu Deepak]

Thank you very much! I am keeping thins in mind and checking on myself to remain as passive as I can. Another week to go. Met the doctor today to get a new prescription of medication. Thankfully the kashayam has been replaced with capsules and tablets. Does anybody else here have a 6AM 6PM kashayam schedule? I did keep up to this most of the time but slipped ocassionally (especially the morning times).

Cheers!
Sindhu Deepak
Thrikkakara, Kerala

[Shruti Analabha Dutta]

Hi Katie:

Here are my responses (from our experiences) to your questions in black:

No one seemed really happy with their results. 

I wouldn't really say so. We are very happy with my husband's progress since we got the treatments done. The only thing that you have to give it some time. Ayurveda helps nourish your body with essential oils and brings you back to a healthy lifestyle (of course with your own effort). While you feel vulnernable in the initial few months, your body is actually becoming stronger to deal with the issue you have. My recommendation is: No matter what treatment you do ayurveda for, please make sure that you correspond it with yoga. That really helps. Side-effects was the only big issue in our case. 

Do you believe that was really worth it for those who have done treatments a while ago?

Now that we look at it, it definitely was worth, in our case.

I'm in San Francisco bay area and it's a long flight plus local traveling. How did you guys arrange local transportation? Is it safe to travel locally for woman alone?

- Taking a pre-paid taxi from the airport should be better, according to me. You will have to stand in the queue for prepaid taxi to pay and get a ticket. 

- Most drivers (even auto fellows) can communicate somewhat in English. So language may not be a huge issue. 

- I cannot comment on the safety because we were fine and I didn't face any safety issues as such but any localite in our group would be able to guide you better. But if you know you would be travelling frequently to see places, you can rent a car with a trusted driver who has had some foreign tourists experiences in the past for those few days. That ways, you'd have one car at your disposal all the time. Once you get there, you can find out these information on the local travel guides. 

Do you know any other good place near mumbai or Deli or close from airport? or less crowds... 

I don't think I can travel that long since I have low energy. 

- Depends on what are your areas of interests- beach/ architecture/ food/ massages?

- Near Mumbai (Beaches)- Apart from Goa, Gokarna/ Karwar (Maharashtra) near Mumbai has quieter and tourist friendly beaches. You might want to google that. Gujarat has the Rann of Kuchh (desert) and some wildlife sanctuaries.

- Near Delhi (Architechture/ Desert)- Tourists generally go to Jaipur- Jaisalmer- Udaipur in Rajasthan and to Agra (Taj Mahal)-Fatehpur Sikri in Uttar Pradesh.

- Kerala (Beaches/ Backwaters/ Massages)- There are few nice places to see around Cochin itself. You can do Munnar, Thekkady, Kumarakom, Poovar, etc. Cochin (or Kochi) also has a tourist-friendly area called as Fort Kochi. You can stay there for a few days and experience the local food, life and culture and the places around it. While in Fort Kochi, we had been to Aithirapalli Falls and Cherai Beach. Both offered some great experiences. 

- All the travel and tiring part should be done before the treatment. After the treatment, you may not have any energy left for upto a month!! :(

Hope this helps and Good luck with your treatment!! :)

Regards,

Shruti

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Thank you all for great information!!

I'm thinking about going to India to get Panchakarma treatment.

getting confused after reading all the posts especially about the result of treatment and post symptoms.

No one seemed really happy with their results. 

Do you believe that was really worth it for those who have done treatments a while ago?

I'm in San Francisco bay area and it's a long flight plus local traveling.

How did you guys arrange local transportation? Is it safe to travel locally for woman alone?

Do you know any other good place near mumbai or Deli or close from airport? or less crowds... 

I don't think I can travel that long since I have low energy. 

Thank you in advance and sending you all my prayers to be healthy ^^

Katie

2013년 5월 12일 일요일 오후 12시 7분 23초 UTC-7, Sindhu Deepak 님의 말:

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[katie...@gmail.com]

Dear Shruti,

Wow~

Thank you so much for your quick sincere answer.

It's amazing that you know so much about India and settle my confusion.

So, AVS center, Kerala is the best center to go, I guess.

I've been talking to them about treatment recently and here is the link.

I thought I could take a basic class for a month and treatment at the same time.

http://www.ayurvedaschool.in/index.html

If you know about this center, would you please tell me how you think?

again, thank you so much!

Best,

Katie

2013년 6월 27일 목요일 오전 8시 31분 3초 UTC-7, Shruti Vaid Dutta 님의 말:

[Shruti Analabha Dutta]

Honestly, I have no idea about this school and do not know if it is related to Arya Vaidya Sala or not. AVS has quite a few hospital branches for treatment (Mallapuram, Aluva & Kochi in Kerala and in Delhi). We have been to the centres in Mallapuram and in Kochi and our expriences can be read on the earlier posts on this group page. The addresses, e-mail and other contact information can be seen on:

listed on http://www.aryavaidyasala.com/(S(eqzsgh55qo3vp0455wmsarbi))/op_hospitals.aspx

The details of Ayurveda college affiliated to them is given on their website on the following page:

http://www.aryavaidyasala.com/(S(eqzsgh55qo3vp0455wmsarbi))/ayurveda_college.aspx

Regards,

Shruti

[Shailendra Chaudhary]

Hi Katie,

Just wondering whether you finally went to India for treatment and if you did then an update on your experience will be highly appreciated please.

Shailendra

[Katie Kim]

Hello Shailendra,

I didn't go to India but I did a fast program which was very successful in Korea. 

It was very strict diet(water, bamboo salt etc..) and exercise such as aerotherapy by Dr. Laubry and Hydropathy(hot and cold bath) everyday with self colonics during fast. My TSH, T4free level got stablized and gain so much energy. My body is getting better and better over all...

India trip itself was too much for my condition at that time and I'm still very interested in experiencing Ayruveda treatment.

Korean tradtional nature treatment and Ayruveda have some same concept....I believe Nature is the best doctor.

Thank you!

Katie

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[Shailendra Chaudhary]

Hi Katie,

I truly appreciate your detailed reply and am glad to hear that the expense and effort of your traveling to Korea paid off. It would be helpful if you could mention the websites or coordinates of the place you went to. A google search was not successful with the information your provided.

Well, I made this enquiry for a family member suffering from Fibromyalgia following a car accident. But on your Thyroid issue I should mention that my own TSH and T4 levels were elevated to the point that I was prescribed medicine. I did not take any and in the past few years paid more attention to nutrition especially due to Fibromyalgia issue in the family. Recently, a blood work report has shown my TSH levels to be normal. Of course, me and my family have benefited in many more ways too from this change in food including managing cholesterol, diabetes, mental health and weight . 

I have compiled all my research sources on a blog. You may want to review it to see what changes we as a family brought in our food. It is: YruSick.Wordpress.com. I don't do any blogging due to lack of time but keep on adding resources from time to time. 

Kind regards,

Shailendra

[Katie Kim]

Hello Shailendra,

Thank you so much for your link and great information. I enjoyed reading your blog and I'm so into those health and nutrition as well.

One thing I was suprised about Juicer/blender. I do a lot of jucing and was on green juice fast for 4 weeks last year....watching many health/Nutrition documentary. I think the worst person in the world is Monsento...^^ I was so moved by the docu, called "The art of living".I also have Fibromyalgia syndrome by a car accident 5years ago in Korea. My health started to get worse and worse since then.

I wish I could hire you as my lawyer for my accident back then. haha~

The website of my program is all in Korean...I'm a Korean American with 100% Korean ethnic back ground and was born and grow up until 30years old in Korea.

http://fast.ulnara.or.kr/ 

It's online program. I did for 7 days fast. 5days pre-fast, 7days fast, 7days post-fast and 42days nutrition diet with whole organic raw food only with proper amount and variety of food....meditation, walking, hot and cold bath, aerotherapy twice per day, bomboo salt, persimon leaves tea, enzyme self colonic during fast etc...all self managed program with online coach...

so even if I put this on, I don't think it'd be not much help....

Anyway, You are living in one of the best country....I loved Canada...right balance with beautiful nature and city life, I think...

I would love to retire in Langley near Vancouber.

Thank you so much for sharing your story and information!

The best,

Katie Kim

[Kim]

Btw, after this program, most of my pain issue went away. I think using hard wood bed and hard wood pillow are helping me with aligning my spine along the program and aero therapy and hot and cold bath are very effective for most health issues in my experience.

I forgot to mention about these.

VR

Katie

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2014. 5. 5. 오전 7:57 Shailendra Chaudhary <shailendra...@gmail.com> 작성:

[Shailendra Chaudhary]

Hi Katie,

This is perhaps the first time that I am communicating with someone on a social forum. But I think it is good to share our experiences with people at large so that others can benefit from it too. 

You are right about Monsanto. I rarely use the word hate in my vocabulary. But I don't have a better word to describe my own feelings towards likes of Monsanto. If you want to know why then google the words Cancer Train, India and read about it. In the last 10 years 250,000 (no, there is no typo error) farmers have committed suicide drinking the same pesticides like Roundup that they used to spray on their crops of BT Cotton and the like. This is a far greater tragedy than the WW II holocaust in which an estimated 6 million humans were put to death by Nazis. Because creating conditions in which 250,000 humans are driven to take their own lives is a far greater atrocity than putting 6 millions to death directly. Forgive me for making this comparison. Even one odd death in such circumstances in one too many. I just wanted to drive home the point of my hatred towards the likes of Monsanto. Somebody is responsible for my kids having vision glasses and braces for their teeth when their parents and grandparents on both sides did not have any of those problems in all their lives. I feel guilty of not being able to protect my children from the onslaught of Big Food in the past. Now I stand committed to not let this happen anymore.

As for juicing, I kind of agree with Dr. David Agus on a common sense level. I returned my Vitamix to Costco after getting this epiphany. I would suggest eat whatever you juice. Watch the videos listed on my blog on various topics. I have compiled all resources which are authentic.

I checked the Art of Living documentary trailer on Youtube. Is it the one by Robin Givens?

Bye for now.

Shailendra 

[Kim]

Hi Shailendra,

I'm with you totally about Monsanto..

I feel even shame on the situation as a human being. I really respect and admire your commitment and courage to fight with this issue.

I know Canadian farmer story and even many Indian farmers...it's far far beyond tragedy or issue. I can't believe a human being can play with nature and get patents for money and power??? I know the word "hatred" is not even close to enough to describe...

I'm sorry it was my typeo... Ayurveda"the art of being" 

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0221809/plotsummary?ref_=m_tt_ov_pl

I sincerely respect Indian traditional science and healing approach with 5 nature energies and sources.

I'd love to spread and inform as many people as I can touch as well....but the fact is it's not easy to make people I know get interested in....

I'm not a good SNS person and don't do much online communication but I  will share if I could help others. 

If I can touch others' lives and contribute to make difference even for a small group, it all worth it, 

I believe and this is how we all should live by.

Would you guide me where I start?

I'll keep getting into your resources.

Thank you and glad to share our stories with like minded person like you!!^^

VR

Katie

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2014. 5. 7. 오전 10:47 Shailendra Chaudhary <shailendra...@gmail.com> 작성:

[Surbhi Ahluwalia]

Hi Sindhu,

I was just searching how effective are kotthakkal medicines..actually in april I go to know I've disc dehydration in L4-L5 and pain on my left side of back , I did my physiotheraphy..which dint help much..then I went to kotthkal...and completed my 14 days massage today..the constant pain has diminished..but still have some pain..sometimes,,,which would juct come suddenly.. , kothhkal doctor has also advised me for 2 months medicine...I wanted to know..how do you feel about your progress with the treatment...does it take a while to get fine?..I'm just getting worried..

Thanks ,

Surbhi

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Takes a while for sure. Lifestyle modification , diet restriction , medicines, rest rest rest rest for the first three months as much as possible after treatment will maximize effectiveness of treatment

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[Sindhu]

Hi Surbhi!!

Sorry to hear about your pain. I wish you a speedy recovery.

The kottakkal treatment had done me a miracle in itself. I was bedridden with sciatica nerve pain and my right leg being almost numb due to blocked circulation. Asher the initial 14 days of treatment, I was able to walk but my knees were stiff and bending them much or climbing stairs was a herculean task. I was just glad to be out of bed and able to walk. But over the year, the treatment had done me so well that now I can do everything normally except squat probably. I was having the kashayam capsules for almost 9 months and alternate day bath with karpuradhi and valiye narayanadhi tailam. This I did for almost 4 months religiously. Now I just apply Karpuradhi tailam whenever my back our right leg starts paining. This usually happens if I don't lie down for at least half an hour that day. I was advised to take the 14 days treatment every 6 months for three years. However, due to work commitment I had to skip that and now I'm undergoing the second round of my treatment at kottakkal. The pain is still there when they massage certain points of my back and right leg but I'm almost back to my normal life.

The first aspect for any successful treatment is to have faith that it will work out for you. I understand how frustrating this pain can make us at times. But, Surbhi, don't lose hope. It is a slew healing process and you will have to take ample rest...especially for 14 more days after treatment. Do not bend at your hips under any circumstance and avoid jerks. Lie down often and rest your feet on pillows. It will be God to continue the medications for a while and keep those tailams handy. They take almost an hour top show effect but whenever it pains, do apply them and lie down till you feel better. You will have to accept some lifestyle modifications and treat your back with double care and caution. Don't worry, it will surely get better.

I hope I was able to answer your query well. Do not hesitate to share your thoughts and doubts on this forum. Some of the earlier posts are a great motivation.

Take care and my best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Cheers and Regards,

Sindhu

[Shailendra Chaudhary]

Hi Katie,

Hope you are doing fine. I thought I would check with you about a Korean treatment that my family member has started last week. It is a blend of Acupuncture; Spinal manipulation; Moxibustion with Moxa Cautery; applying some kind of dough in one spot of back with adhesive tape; foods based on body types (ranging from Big Plus to Big Minus on a scale of 16 where 8.5 is neutral); and sleeping side changes based on underground Water Waves theory. The most intriguing part is use of 2 handheld L shaped metal sticks and a pendulum to diagnose disease/problem areas. The sticks turn pointing inwards towards the patient's body part if there is a problem like cancer, migraine, pain areas etc. or outwards (pointing away from patient's body part) if there is no problem in that part. Pendulum has some similar such function. On the one hand it looks somewhat like mumbo-jumbo. On the other hand the guy inspires confidence by his emphatic demeanour. He comes highly recommended by some very close friends who seem to be benefiting and feeling amazed by his diagnostic accuracy. My family member has got two treatments and she was crying throughout the both treatments due to intensity of Acupuncture and Spinal manipulation. Moxibustion gave some relief later. Last whole week she spent in a miserable condition. But for the strong recommendations of the close friends I would not have continued to repose faith in this treatment.

Then I thought of you. Just wondering if any of the above makes sense to you in terms of traditional Korean medicine. Is there a name for it in Korean?

I could have written to you privately. But I am writing it on this forum to see if someone else has any experience with this kind of treatment.

Shailendra 

[Kim]

Hello Shailendra,

Yes, I heard of these and I had some of them myself many times.
I bet it's very expensive especially in Canada.
Even here in Korea, it's very hard to find a healer who does all these treatment right....also, acupunctual, manipulating spinal adjustment and moxa could take a lot out of patients and could experience some weakness like catching flu.
As long as he/she does right thing and know what he's doing....worth to try but it's up to the patient.
I believe that the good compatibility of energy flow between a healer who does this kind of treatment and a patient brings the best result.
Feel free to ask anything if you have questions...
Good luck and take care!

Katie

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[GEETHAA RAJKUMAR]

Hi Sindhu,

I came across your blog.I am happy to hear that  u are doing much much better.pls let me know how you doing good now its been a year after you took treatment from AVS.

I also have same problem with slip in l4-l5 &l5-s1.I have a plan to take treatment from avs.

Pls give ur opinnion.

Thanks

geetha

[Sindhu]

Dear Geetha,

As I write this, I'm in my 10th day of 3rd treatment since May 2013. For the first time, I've been admitted at the AVS KOTTAKKAL in Thrikkakara. Till now I took the treatment as a walk-in patient. Trust me, I'm getting much more out of this treatment on being admitted than as a walk-in patient. My course of treatment includes pizhichil, panjikizhi, vasti and bandages.

The doctor says that I will need another 2 years of treatment...

As for the treatment, I feel very positive about it since I'm almost back to normal life. From being bedridden, I slowly graduated to walking without limp, climbing stairs by alternating feet, kneeling, sitting on floor for 5 minutes straight. It took a lot of faith in the treatment and the AVS Kottakkal doctors and staff have never let me down.

I wish you a speedy recovery, Geetha!

Let me know if you wish to know anything in particular. I would be glad to answer your queries to the best of my knowledge.

Best wishes,

Sindhu'

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[GEETHAA RAJKUMAR]

Hi Sindhu ,

Pls let me know how you feel well after your 3rd session with AVS.

getha 

[Sindhu]

Dear Geetha,

I'm feeling much better, especially after this third session in AVS. This is the first time I underwent the Vasti treatment and it is highly beneficial.

How are you doing?

Regards,

Sindhu

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[Vishal Gupta]

Hi,

Does anyone aware about the following in Kottakkal Kerala for Cervical Treatment ?

Kottakkal-Ayurveda-Nursing-Home

www.kottakkalayurveda.com/

Feedback please.

Regards,
Vishal

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Hi sindhu deepak

I am srinivasu from hyderabad and suffering from rhreumatoid arthritis since 4 years. Since august 2015 , iam going to avs kochi for 21 days treatment. Is your problem removed with these treatments. And still are you attending the treatments. My condition was worst before the second treatment april 2016. Problem increased at knees after the first treatment. But at other places some what better. Presently I am not able to walk normally. I am going to third treatment in november 2016. What is your present condition after treatment at avs kochi. My parents asking about treatment, problem should be reduced otherwise stopped at same place. Why problem is increased after treatment?. Will this treatment helpful to us or not.

Regards
G srinivasu

[Shailendra Chaudhary]

Hi Srinivasu,

May I suggest you a few things on nutritional supplements which may help you with pain and progression of Rheumatoid Arthritis:

1. Use MSM (OptiMSM patented formula) of Sulfur Crystals (or powders) for ingesting. In India it will be available by the name of Gandhak although OptiMSM patented formula from USA (sold by different companies under their brands like Kala) is considered better. Start here to learn more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xPYedR_U-Q
   
2. Use DMSO liquid (or gel) for topical application but not sure about its availability in India. It is a by-product of paper manufacturing from wood pulp. It is used for cramp relief for race horses. MSM is made from DMSO. Start here to learn more about DMSO in this 1980s report on 60 minute program about Dr Stanley Jacob who basically discovered DMSO's benefits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vE-ZgmGcaQ
   
3. Get Vitamin K2 supplement 100 mcg x 2 times daily in MK-7 form. Start here to learn more about it from Kate Rheaume-Bleue author of the leading book titled "Vitamin K2 and Calcium Paradox": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMExQNosTQ
   
4. Get Vitamin D3 supplement 10,000 IU daily. In India you get 60,000 IU sachets which can be taken once a week.
5. Get Vitamin A 2,500 IU daily through Cod Liver Oil
6. You may use Frankincense Resin (Boswellia Serrata) known as Shallaki Gaund in India. It is a strong anti-inflammatory. It costs about Rs 200 for a Kg in India and you have to take only 1gm 3 times a day. It should be frozen before grinding up in a coffee grinder. Usually it is available in 100mg to 500mg capsules and costs about $1 per gram here in Canada. But you should learn more about it by doing your own research about its safety and benefits. Here is a documentary about it on BBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHc9bKzaw-s

Hope it helps. Frankly, I have strong reservations about the long term efficacy of Ayurvedic treatments like the one at AVS.

Shailendra

[N. Sivadasan]

Hi All my wife and I  were at AVS Kottakkal  some time ago for treatment . We felt fantastic after the first visit and fairly on the second visit. Planning to go again soon but am starting to get a bit worried about the negative feedback about the treatment there.

 

N Sivadasan

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[Sindhu Deepak]

Dear Srinivasu,

Greetings!

I'm sorry to hear about the difficult phase you are in but rest assured,  there is hope.  Getting the treatment for 21 days alone is not the complete cure.  Recuperation is an ongoing process. The diet, lifestyle changes, acceptance of the problem and then working around it to lead an almost-normal life are the key elements that will ensure that you are in the right track of recovery.  It took me 3 years, immense patience and undeterring faith to reach this stage. I won't say that I'm completely cured because that could only be done by a surgery (if it was successful). However, I'm not bedridden anymore, I'm going about my normal life driving my car, taking care of my 5 year old, running a household,  playing badminton, dancing and walking.  This is Recuperation enough for me! But, to get here from my bedridden state, I wouldn't say that it came easy.

The best thing is that we have a positive support group here. I'm sure the doctors in AVS are capable enough and if it's something they couldn't help you with, they would have told you so.

I would suggest that you do an introspection about what could have gone wrong for the problem to worsen. After 21 days of treatment, you must give 21 more days of optimum rest to your body. This is a very very very essential part of the treatment.  Have you followed these Guidelines? Also, avoid the stairs as much as you can. If you can't then take it very slowly. I'm asking coz after my 2nd treatment,  I didn't pay attention to this part and my problem worsened. I have stopped with my 3rd treatment and not taking any medications since February this year. If someday I start feeling any pain, I quickly apply my tailam, rest for an hour followed by a hot water bath and bed rest for 2 days. I'm up and about again after that.

I would suggest you have a one to one, honest chat with your doctor. Whom are you consulting in AVS? As such,  I've met most of them there and they all are capable enough.

Best wishes & don't hesitate to ask queries.

Best wishes and have a speedy recovery!

Sindhu Deepak

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Hi sindhu deepak and shailendra

Thanks for your replies to my mail.

Sindhu deepak , i am consulting TMU warrier doctor at avs kochi. During the first treatment doctor said to me, your problem can be removed with 4 to 5 treatments with 6 months gap. That time i was not getting much pain at knees only lees pain. I was able to walk slowly. That time i was getting more at right leg ankle and toes and right hand wrist, fingers. I was not able to use computer keyboard and mouse freely. In the morning time brushing also big problem with right hand. Now i can say that after first treatment some what better at those places. Now i can use keyboatd and mouse and brushing with right hand but not continuously. Right leg ankle problem also partially reduced. I follwed the rest as doctor said 14 days.

Before going to second treatment in april, in the month of february knees problem started with pain. After that stiffness and swelling increased in the month of march and bed ridden. During the second treatment, doctor seen my latest blood sample reports and told me that your RA, ESR , AntiCCP values are more. Actually RA and ESR values are increased after first treatment. Then doctor told me that because of weather conditions and food habbits your problem increased. Still i am following avs kochi medicines. Presently i am not taking any english medicines. Since march onwards i am not going to office because my this much problem.

During second treatment, doctor TMUwarrier told me that knees problem cannot be removed easily it may take time. But how long he didnt say. After second treatment knees problem little reduced. Still i am trusting ayurveda can solve this problem. Is it good to take english medicines along with ayurvedic medicines.

Actually i got confidence from this group. I am following this group since one year.

Thanks to everyone.

Regards
G srinivasu.

[srini...@gmail.com]

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[N]

Is this group post still active?

Sindhu ji, I'd like to connect with you, if you can mention your email address.

I have three bulging lumbar discs and been facing loss of cervical curvature, because of constant pulling of my muscles. These are a result of the adjustments I had to make while sitting (as I have a dislocated tailbone). The tailbone itself requires removal - since orthopedics, and AVS people also said that there can't be high expectations with regards to it's healing using conservative approaches. I've tried everything.

But for my lumbar, cervical and SI joint, the AVS doctor, here in Baddi, Himachal Pradesh said it can get better. But I'll have to get admitted twice a year, for Panchkarma.

For one month, I'd been on their medicines : Kashayam Syrup, Gandha Tailam, Bala Tailam, and external application of oils mixed together (Murivenna and Kottamchukkadi).

I do feel the oils started to help.

I'm specifically interested to know if people here prefer going to Kerala hospital or it's fine to go to their local hospital? How are the Panchkarma charges there?

It sounds like AVS treatment is promising, for lumbar and cervical spondylosis.

At what stage during your AVS treatment, did you start seeing improvements?

While on medicines and not yet taken Panchkarma, do we focus on rest? And continue to do our exercises?

Around what stage, did your doctors made you give up the medicines?

I don't have much of a life left due to several conditions impairing me. I stay in bed, move around and go for walks. But I can't sit much.

The Baddi hospital asked for 90k for Panchkarma. They told me the two admissions must be done in next 2-3 years.

I've wasted a lot of money during my last five years of chronic pain, since the accident. I just want to be very convinced of AVS's efficacy because the admission is a lot of money for someone like me.

Any comments would be appreciated.

[Sindhu Deepak]

Hi Nupur (I didn't catch your name in the email so, please correct me if I've got it wrong),

First of all, I would like to commend you for the courage with which you're fighting against your ailment. Trust me, I know how difficult the battle is. You're doing good, if you ask me.

I went to Kottakkal on a wheelchair. It to 3 years of treatment which included 14 days each year of the massage treatment and equal rest. Today I'm able to do almost everything as usual and it has helped me change my lifestyle for good.

I understand that Kotakyal stay treaebt is expensive than Panchakarma.

Your doctor would be the best person to advise you regarding rest or exercise. Please consult a good one soon and follow it religiously. Have faith, keep hope!

I'm sure you'll be fine soon.

P.s. sorry for the late reply. I didn't realise that it was sitting in my outbox so long. Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Kind Regards,

Sindhu Deepak

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[N]

Thank you for replying to me, Sindhu! And you got my name right. 

I'm grateful that you've kept this group active, after all these years. And I'm very happy to hear about your healing since it gives a lot of hope and encouragement.

Also, thank you for your kind words about my situation.  

Would you advise approaching AVS in Kerala or we can trust the local AVS hospital? A few people mentioned to me that at AVS, Kotakkal, our case is reviewed by the elder vaidyas. I'd like to know if that is the case. The local hospital had one or two doctors, I think. 

14-21 days each year really doesn't sound bad. And rest, shouldn't be an issue either, since years of ailing has teaches us enough to stop, and appreciate where we are. 

Did you remain out of work in those three years? Are you able to return to it now? 

I know it must have repeated over and over, but what were your specific diagnosis? They had to do with lumbar and sciatica, right?

You've come a long way and I hope to make that journey as well.

The way doctors had tossed me around in five years, so it's very hard to trust who is a good "one." But I infer from your response that I can trust the AVS doctors and it should be best I go to Kotakkal.

Warm regards,

Nupur

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[Sindhu Deepak]

Dear Nupur,

I would highly recommend Kottakkal AVS branch in Thrikkakara, Kochi. That's where I received my treatment and it's true, all cases here are discussed and diagnosed by the team under the elder Vaidyan here... Dr. Warrier.

The hygiene and treatment at AVS Thrikkakara is commendable and I'm sure you'll have a good stay here.

I would recommend that you have a telephonic conversation with the doctor here and they will guide you accordingly. There is no fee for consultation.

Basically, their approach towards treatment is very pious and as a patient, you will find renewed hope as long as you learn to unlearn and relearn. Big words, I know! But, that's the mantra by which I got back from the wheelchair to where I am now. Have faith in whatever treatment you take, that's half the battle won.

My situation was that I had a fall during the third month of my pregnancy which possibly rendered the disc injury. Didn't pay heed to the symptoms of numbness and backache for as long as 2 years after that. Eventually, I paid for ignoring my body. A stuffed sneeze pushed the disc onto my sciatica nerve and an MRI scan revealed that the sac between my L4/5 disc had ruptured and dehydrated. Slowly I got paralysed hip down. It was my luck or prayers that brought me to Dr. Jayashree in Kottakkal AVS at Thrikkakara. 

I'm a homemaker so, during the period of treatment, after I was finally able to walk, I started doing the housework but with some restrictions. Can't lift weight above 2kg and no bending. Started minding my posture and diet. After three years of restricted movements, I finally stopped my medications and joined Bharatnatyam (something that I had learnt as a child and it was my way of compensating life for the losses). Now I'm into Therauptic Yoga and that's helping me reduce and tackle whatever stiffness still remains.

So, go ahead, and be positive. It will work out for you! 

Best Wishes,

Sindhu Deepak

[bharath kumar]

Hi Nupur,

Without any doubt, please go for AVS treatment. You need to have patience though! Both AVS, Kottakal and Kochi are good. But, its not easy to get appointment /booking at Kottakal. Also, treatment at Kottakal is cheaper compared to Kochi. Its costs ~Rs. 1.25L for 21 days treatment. Kottakal Treatment is also covered under health insurance. You need to register in AVS website, and you will get AVS ID using which you need to book the rooms.

Thanks!

Bharath

[N]

Dear Sindhu,

Thank you for sharing the details of your injury, and journey. I'm so sorry you had to suffer from a crucial time of becoming a mother, but suffering may be our only way to deepen our understanding and love for life. I'm sure you'd have experienced that. And it must be wonderful to get back to Bharatnatyam. 

Even though I cannot sit due to my tailbone dislocation, I'm once again trying to be very mindful of my postures. Most of my body has compensated heavily for poor postures in last 5 years. So it's better to learn now so that it's easier when AVS people start telling me. 

At AVS, Baddi, Himachal Pradesh, I'd not yet been told about a diet regime. But I mostly take home-cooked food, so I should be fine. I also do therapeutic yoga and it is helping me get by. I hope this will be a good branch, in case I cannot find earlier bookings in Kotakkal. I'm going to do as you advised and consult with a Kotakkal doctor over the phone. The Malappuram and Thrikkakara are different, right? 

The AVS doctor here told me clearly not to have much hopes for tailbone injury. So I'm also trying to figure out if I should go for my operation at the end of this month and four months from it, go for Panchkarma. The tailbone is such a less understood area of the body, but the moment all the pain in that region tightened my muscles, my pelvic floor was a mess and I developed bladder issues, keeping me homebound for one year. I tried to make my AVS doctor understand about this, but even several of my orthopedics missed this connecting link between tailbone and pelvic floor, because of which they either wouldn't permit me surgery due to my age (26 now!) Maybe a lady doctor would understand. Hehe!

The overall recovery is 1-2 years after the operation. I'd known many with 'chronic' tailbone dislocation who couldn't benefit from AVS treatment, unfortunately. But it is otherwise very promising to treat the whole spine, which is why I went to AVS. 

I will discuss with my doctor if it's safe to continue the medications around the surgery time or not. 

Can you tell me if it is right to continue yoga/exercises while we take AVS medicines? Since there is a focus on rest and recuperation, I'd like to be sure about what I shouldn't be over-doing? I stay at home mostly and work around and go for daily walks. 

Three years of medicines seems a long time, but I've got much hopes by connecting with you. I'd finished my first month of medication. It loosened up my back stiffness. Interestingly, I pretty much felt feverish everyday since starting the medicines and oil therapy - it was hard to ascertain what was the cause - the winter or the medicines? But I do think it was the application of oil and the 1- Hour wait and the body exposed, despite the fact  that the heater was on. Then the Rhukot oil for local application, was icy cold. I'll bring it to the notice of my local branch's doctor. 

One last question - is it safe to take AVS medicines, alongside Allopathy? My orthopedic doctor put me on NSAID and nerve pain medication, to help with all the stiffness. While AVS doctor gave me a go ahead, the orthopedic will not. 😂

[N]

Hi Bharath,

Thank you for getting in touch with me! 

Congratulations on your three months progress with the treatment. Please keep this thread posted when you make significant improvements. 

I was surprised to find it, after all these years. I'm grateful for Sindhu ji's efforts.

Thank you for quoting the costs. I'm being advised to try the Kottakkal branch at Malappuram. Interesting to note that it's cheaper than Kochi? Does Mr. Varier reviews cases at both Malappuram and Thrikkakara? I also heard that Malappuram hospital can advise us more days of treatment, whereas the AVS, Baddi only said 15 days. 

Re : the insurance - can you hint at what policies can cover the Kottakkal treatment? Is it branch specific or accepted at every center? I don't have any insurance, but as I can't plan the therapy immediately due to booking, logistics and costs, maybe I can look into the insurance aspect, to secure me for future.

Most of my treatments in 5 years have been self funded and last year, I received gift money from a benevolent person, which was God's grace. Within a year of receiving the gift, I was home bound from developing overactive bladder. I'd spent most of last year, trying to get that situation under control.

Being unemployed, I'm now left with a little and my mom is a homemaker, but my only support. So we've definitely got the brunt of situation from time to time.

Right now, either it'll be AVS for upper and lower back or surgery for tailbone. The latter is more serious. It's so hard making choices, when you've multiple chronic conditions. 😂😅

[Sindhu Deepak]

Like you said, journey through pain enlightens us. So, don't feel sorry for what we all have been through. This too shall pass. 😊👍🏼

Therauptic Yoga is good. As long as your yoga master is aware of your condition and is on the same page as your doctor. 

AVS Malappuram facilities are a little more simpler. Hence, the cost difference. This is what I was made to understand by one of the AVS staff when I enquired. Dr. Balachandran Warrier consults only in Thrikkakara, I think. I've mostly seen him there. 

However, that shouldn't be a concern. If you are going to AVS Kottakkal (Malappuram), it is their main branch. You can meet Dr. Hemachandran there, who has treated me while he was at Thrikkakara branch.

Otherwise also, don't worry, you'll be in safe hands at AVS since the doctors are all connected and adept.

I think the weather also matters while you're doing the treatment. During treatment, they specifically ask you to drink warm water at all times and bathe in warm water as well. Cold isn't good during that period in any way.

Your doctor is the best judge to tell you if you can take AVS medicines alongwith allopathy. Please follow what they say because these medicines are concentrated concoctions. 

Best wishes!

Godspeed to you 🙏🏼

Warm regards,

Sindhu Deepak

[N]

Hello Sindhu,

Just wanted to share some updates and seek more advice.

I had started medications from AVS Baddi in Himachal under the supervision of Dr. TMU Varrier. I'm happy to report that after 5 years of incessant pain, and literally one year, feeling all crippled from neck to legs, I was able to function better just by being on medicines. 

Since the finances had to be arranged, I wasn't ready for 15 days in-hospitalization for Panchkarma until now.  

Last month, the administration decided to close AVS and Arya Vaidya Pharmacy, Coimbatore is taking over, starting 15th April. 

Such awful timing, of the hospital closing, when I'd started to feel better from their medicines. 

Dr. Varrier suggested to come to Cochin after mid-May or go to Delhi hospital. He has repeatedly mentioned not to keep delaying Panchkarma.

I also have the option of a walk-in Panchkarma treatment, for 21 days. The doctor is trained from South and has an experience of 10 years, and prescribes AVS medicines. Pricing is half the hospitalization cost. 

So, my question is -

Are walk-in treatments as effective?

Dr. Varrier suggested that in my conditions, it's not advised to travel. But because the walk-in facility is only 15 - 20 minutes by car, I'm assuming it can't be that bad.

I'm unemployed, and have to single handedly use my savings for the treatment(s). And knowing this needs to be followed for next 3 years, I'm interested to know if walk in treatment is a good option to consider or not, at least once. 

Please let me know if you have any suggestions for me. 

Warm regards! 

[Sindhu Deepak]

Hi Nupur!!

Thank you for this mail.

I am happy to note the contents of your mail. That's a positive progress and I'm sure everything will fall into place for you soon.

Regarding the walk-in treatment, I had myself undergone 14 days of walk-in treatment, the very first time and even half of my second year treatment. The cost difference is definitely there. The treatment is equally effective if you follow the advice of resting seriously. My home was also a 20 minute drive from the AVS Kochi and we took good care to not have any jerks or slips during that period.

Remember, if you take 14 days of treatment, you must follow it up with another 14 days of rest, giving the body enough time to strengthen and re-align.

You're on the right track! Go for it, even if it's walk-in. The treatment will surely benefit you if you keep your faith and do your bit as a good patient.

It's disappointing to know that they are closing at AVS Kochi!! 😳 Although I haven't undertaken any treatment since February 2017, it still felt good to know that I could always reach out to AVS Kochi at a short notice. Anyways, I'm sure it's for the best. Maybe the facilities at Coimbatore is even better.

Warm regards and best wishes,

Sindhu'

[N]

Hi Sindhu,

It definitely took me a month to place all my faith in Kotakkal but now, I'll not swerve from it. 

AVS Baddi, Himachal Pradesh has winded up it's operations in North, not Kochi. 

AVP Coimbatore seems to have Warrier's on board. I think it's the same lineage and they must have gone their separate ways. They seem to be good, if not at par, with AVS.

I've sent out my reports to both Malapurram and Thrikakkara hospitals. If the dates are convenient to get in, I'll take the opportunity. I wish they had direct flights from Delhi to Cochin. Treatment is at least 10-20k cheaper in South, than it was in Baddi or Delhi (costs 97k).

The doctor at the walk in facility knows AVS doctors but he admitted to never having treated anyone with tailbone pain. He offered to discuss my case with his seniors and then, we may proceed with walk in, if they think it's advisable.

Otherwise, my options will be to travel down South or try AVP, Coimbatore. 

I'm all for resting properly and being passive with myself after the treatment. But do you think a flight back to North and being able to cook for myself etc will be okay? I'll be on my own. 

[Sindhu Deepak]

Oh!!! Thank. You. For clearing my Confusion.

I've seen patients traveling overseas and to the north after treatment at AVS Kochi after 14-21 days of in-house treatment. Your doctor will be the first and best one to guide you regarding the journey you undertake after  the treatment because it differed from case to case.

Cooking won't be a problem as after the initial days. Hope you'll have help for the cleaning jobs around that time. Taking any strain or risk at that time would be detrimental.

You must understand that right after the treatment, your body will be sore and susceptible to greater injury in case of slips and jerks. Tender. So, be patient and take it very slowly.

Don't worry... It is very much possible with some determination and faith in your treatment.

I'm eagerly waiting to hear of a positive word fr you after the treatment.

Best wishes and Godspeed to you!!

'cheers!!!

Sindhu'

[N]

Hi Sindhu,

A slot opened up on May 28. It's such a short time but I'm trying to plan out the journey. 

I see that the only direct flight and cheap option available is the one that starts from Delhi and will reach Kochi by 10:40 PM.  

Is it safe to take an Uber/Ola for the hospital, that time? 

The only other option at Kotakkal is available for June 30. 

If you are comfortable to share your email address, I'll be glad to stay in touch about any further queries.

My email is nupur...@gmail.com

Warm regards,

Nupur 

[Abriti]

Hi  Sindhu,

I was very much motivated by going through your mails. You are a fighter and an inspiration for many. I too am suffering from similar disc bulge problem and unable to walk properly.(I can stand and walk for just 5 mins) I have full faith in AVS and I am going there next month. Kindly share some experiences post treatment-what to expect.

from Nayana