File this under: DUH

[Epiphany Jordan]

Wow...criticizing the overweight for their obesity does absolutely nothing to make them lose weight. Go figure.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/07/26/205766456/hating-on-fat-people-just-makes-them-fatter?utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20130726

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[Jennifer Dorsey]

yup. so rude.

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[Roze Braunstein]

gee- who knew?   Also an article you sent another time (or someone did) had what I think was a duh in it but seems totally not to be- when someone says how they feel (fat, out of shape, etc) and you basically dismiss it by saying "stop you're not you're beautiful... etc"   isn't helpful either. 

[Regina Soto]

I once had a boyfriend who told me he'd  be disappointed in me if I went over 145 pounds.  Somehow, that made me start eating so much more.

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[Kaspr Goodman]

That shit REALLY pisses me off! There is no excuse for abusive shit like that. On behalf of all REAL men, my apologies :-).

[Kaspr Goodman]

You rock girl it's all about lob BG yourself. I'm working on that too. Its hard to get your mojo back. Yes I sent two emails on purpose lol

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[Jennifer Dorsey]

Yup. It's a mix of "fuck you" and unnecessary stress. 

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[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

Yeah, well. I don't do stupid people. ;) <3 He's <not> screwed.

[Regina Soto]

Thanks, Kaspr! Yes, it wasn't fun to go through that for sure, but I'm glad he's an ex and not a current boyfriend.  Also, I'm glad I know men that love and respect women....!

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[Kaspr Goodman]

You better believe it. It is indeed good to hear the ex part. I know what its like to be in an abusive relationship. It sucks to put it mildly.

[Epiphany Jordan]

Totally awesome thing my boyfriend said to me about three months ago:

"I thought I wouldn't be as attracted to you when you lost weight, but you're hotter than ever."

So yeah, they are out there (and when he writes his relationship guide for men, there will be many, many more of them.)

[Regina Soto]

Aww, I love that! I hope he writes it soon!

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[Regina Soto]

Yes, it sure does.  Took me a while to get over it, and I think some of this chunk is still part of it but it's going...slowly but surely!

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[Regina Soto]

lol! :)

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[Mara Wagnon]

Ha, I don't know how long it's been since I was 145 pounds. I would probably look ridiculous at 145 pounds.

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[Jennifer Dorsey]

I think I was in middle school. 

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[Epiphany Jordan]

the TOP END weight for somebody my height according to the BMI is 141 pounds. I would look absolutely ridiculous if I weighed that little.

they used to do the BMI with bone structure included. I've got very large bones (if you're a woman, put your wrist next to mine at some point and you will see what I'm talking about). I can't even imagine being 15 pounds less than I am now.

I often see men make statements like, "I would never date anyone who weighs over 130 pounds." Yeah, if your masculinity hangs on being so much bigger and stronger than your partner, then I really don't want to date you. Not to mention the fact that tiny, waifish women are getting harder and harder to come by.

I'm pretty damn happy with how my body looks right now, though I'm still trying to get down another 5 pounds or so. I'm right in between a size 10 and a size 8, so it would be good to be in one spot or the other.

btw, happy Monday! We're down to our last two days together. I hope you had a fantastic weekend and that your week is off to a great start!

xo, piph

[Roze Braunstein]

I think also the perception of what people weigh is just wrong because women lie and have lied forever...  My boyfriend the other day said something about my weekly goal weight being 118?  Because he has no idea what real actual womens'  weight is-  he thinks I weigh 120- which is not the case. (he also doesn't CARE- he told me that even though I didn't lose pounds really he can tell a change and that I look trimmer all around, but that if I gained it back- so what, as long as I'm having fun and happy he likes how I look)   I think he's just used to women saying they weigh 105 or something like that, no matter what they weigh.  I used to think that a thin person weighed 105 no matter what, and so was embarrassed when I was SUPER thin and weighed 120- so I lied too- to everyone including the DMV.      I found this online telling me what my ideal is:

Based on the Robinson formula (1983), your ideal weight is 126.8 lbs
Based on the Miller formula (1983), your ideal weight is 132.1 lbs
Based on the Devine formula (1974), your ideal weight is 125.7 lbs
Based on the Hamwi formula (1964), your ideal weight is 124.6 lbs
Based on the healthy BMI recommendation, your recommended weight is 111.2 lbs - 150.2 lbs

I have a small bone structure but I don't think I could EVER get to 111 again, unless maybe I cut off an arm.

[Epiphany Jordan]

curious where you found this formula with the different weights from different time periods. i would love to do that for myself and see what they say. i'm thinking that i'm a pretty darn healthy weight right now.

link please? thanks!

and you should come to the gym with me tomorrow morning, roze, so i can see for myself what you look like! ;)

[Roze Braunstein]

I googled ideal weight calculator or something like that-ha. I found
many but I liked the one that had all the different eras too.. this is
it. http://www.calculator.net/ideal-weight-calculator.html

ok what time? I will go tomorrow!

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[Jennifer Dorsey]

I think i got my wrong ideas about how much people weigh from miss america. remember back in the day (the 80s) when they used to say their weights?  for some crazy reason they don't do that anymore.

[Epiphany Jordan]

Yay awesome! We will shoot for sometime around 6:45. Want me to text you when I'm leaving my house?

[Kaspr Goodman]

?? Um, what is going on at 6:45? Are our plans changing?

Roze, if you do cut off your arm, I want to watch!!

If you need me, let your light shine, I will find you!!

[Epiphany Jordan]

Wow, according to these I am pretty severely overweight. I thought the numbers would be more forgiving, but they are not....

Based on the Robinson formula (1983), your ideal weight is 119.3 lbs
Based on the Miller formula (1983), your ideal weight is 126.1 lbs
Based on the Devine formula (1974), your ideal weight is 115.5 lbs
Based on the Hamwi formula (1964), your ideal weight is 114.9 lbs
Based on the healthy BMI recommendation, your recommended weight is 104.4 lbs - 141.1 lbs

[Epiphany Jordan]

No, sorry - Roze and I are going to the gym tomorrow morning at 6:45. You're welcome to join us if you are up that early. :)

And  if she cuts off her arm, we need to set it up something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaYDLIswEV4

[Kaspr Goodman]

Yeah right!! Do you really see me getting up that early?

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[Roze Braunstein]

how tall are you?  man those are small numbers...  I am probably older too..  

yes please text me-  maybe a little before you leave I am further away from the gym-  also I'm not great at that hour.. 

[Epiphany Jordan]

you are definitely NOT older than me, Roze - I'm hitting the half-century mark next year! And I'm only 5'3".

crazy, i tell ya....

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[Kaspr Goodman]

Yeah, you are about as much 5'3" as I am 9' tall. I am thinking 5'1" maybe 5'1" and a half MAYBE in tall shoes LOL. If you are 5'3" I will be stunned hehe

[Paul Brune]

I am convinced that the BMI is absolutely inaccurate. If you are well muscled and have normal range body fat there is no way that you will fit into the standard BMI ranges. It's a stupid number that doesn't consider muscle mass, body fat ratios nor of any thing else of healthy importance. Which would you rather be? 150 with 18% (min healthy for a female) body fat or 115 with 40% body fat? Both are possible and one is unhealthy for any age but fits in the BMI index. Hell, 150 with 30% body fat is in the healthy range.

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:15:56 AM UTC-5, Epiphany Jordan wrote:

Wow...criticizing the overweight for their obesity does absolutely nothing to make them lose weight. Go figure.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/07/26/205766456/hating-on-fat-people-just-makes-them-fatter?utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20130726

[Roze Braunstein]

YAY I am SO happy that there are cool people older than 25 in Austin-
I was/am having a hard time finding friends in my age group! I'm
younger than you yes, but not by THAT much..

I put in 5'5" and I swear I'm 5'6" but somehow everyone always thinks
I'm a shrimp.

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[Jennifer Dorsey]

I put in 5'11 because I recently grew an inch, or possibly unfurled an extra inch. I have a really bad back and terrible posture, and i've been working on both. and voila, an extra inch and 1/4. who knew?

[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

Based on the Robinson formula (1983), your ideal weight is 123.0 lbs
Based on the Miller formula (1983), your ideal weight is 129.1 lbs
Based on the Devine formula (1974), your ideal weight is 120.6 lbs
Based on the Hamwi formula (1964), your ideal weight is 119.7 lbs
Based on the healthy BMI recommendation, your recommended weight is 107.8 lbs - 145.6 lbs

All of these are too light for me. My grandmother (who I look almost *exactly* like) died weighing around 145. And she was so tiny. She weighed something like 170-180 all of her life if I am remembering correctly. She lived to be in her 90's. I am convinced she should never have gotten down to that weight. I'm shooting for 175. If I get down into 165-170, I seriously hope I look good and feel good. I'm 183 right now and I'm okay with losing another 10#. But after that, we'll see. 

PS and BTW, why the hell are we using formulas from 1964-83? Twiggy? Heroin chic? Ana? Just say no. I'd like to see healthy bodies, please.

[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

I'm 5'4". You are not just 1" shorter than me, Piph! You are giant inside. :)

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[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

I'm 45. 46 in October. 5'4". *waves at Roze* :) 5'6" is NOT a shrimp. :D

[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

Same happened to me, doll. :) Don't you love muscles?

[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

Right there with you, Dad! Grama proved that to me. <3 *fist bump*

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[Kaspr Goodman]

Scrolling through to find where yall are getting these numbers I see my book was called "a relationship guide" again. I want to be clear, it is NOT a relationship guide it is a LIFE guide ;).

[Regina Soto]

I know tons of cool people over 25.....including myself, lol! :)

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[Roze Braunstein]

I know 5'6" is not a shrimp I think I slump though.. I really don't look 5'6".  I say as I sit taller at my computer.

YAY!!!  I could NOT be happier- you guys have no idea!   I've been pretty lonely here in my first year in Austin- hanging out with a bunch of "kids" or no one at all.  I'm so glad Wendy invited me to this game!  (even if she deserted me)

On Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:15:56 AM UTC-5, Epiphany Jordan wrote:

Wow...criticizing the overweight for their obesity does absolutely nothing to make them lose weight. Go figure.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/07/26/205766456/hating-on-fat-people-just-makes-them-fatter?utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20130726

[Roze Braunstein]

Oh and about the healthy-  remember when I said I was SUPER thin  (a long time ago) and still embarrassed-  I went to a trainer to lose weight (hey I lived in LA)-  and he said to me after doing my fat % etc,  "you are the fattest skinny person i've seen in awhile- I will warn you that you will look better after seeing me, but you will probably weigh more, so just throw away your scale" 

[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

I like this trainer. Very much.

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[Jennifer Dorsey]

Roze, Wendy didn't desert you. She was eaten. Those vampires you call "teammates" gobbled down the other fairies like they were the last twinkies on the planet. #know.who.you.are.dealing.with 

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[Epiphany Jordan]

most people who start exercising more end up putting on weight but losing inches. 

wish we could all throw away our scales, though these days, i kinda like seeing mine. :)

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[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

*slurp* finger lickin' goodness... and sparkly! Taste the twinkies. #this.aint.no.snowball

[Mara Wagnon]

You peeps (yes, I did just say that. I'm so cool. *facepalm*) should definitely get the scale we have. According to BMI, I am juuuust barely scraping the top of "healthy". (I'm 5'7" and between 155-151 pounds.) However, according to our bathroom scale (which measures fat, muscle, and water % as well as bone weight), I am in the healthy range for everything except bone but whatever. In the case of fat, women have to be 21-33% fat to be healthy. I am around 25% fat, which is exactly in the range for fat. Mom (Andrea) is somewhere around 35 % percent fat, which means instead if obese like the BMI range says she is, she's somewhat overweight (and if she loses something like 2 pounds of fat, she'll be in the healthy range). So yes. If anyone wants a link to the scale, I'll find it for you.

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[Roze Braunstein]

yeah scale link please :)

[Mara Wagnon]

http://www.amazon.com/Ozeri-Touch-Digital-Bath-Scale/dp/B004NXUAXW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1375197082&sr=8-2&keywords=ozeri+scale

It's about 50 bucks for Amazon prime members, looks like about 100 for anyone else. I personally think it's worth it (though then again, wasn't bought with my money lol).

[Andrea Brune Wagnon]

Well played, Grasshopper. <3

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