Farooq and Baba Kadiri

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Toyin Falola

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Apr 11, 2020, 7:44:59 AM4/11/20
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Whenever Farooq posted a piece, Baba Kadiri will reply.

Can I appeal that Baba Kadiri should stay to debate and eliminate the abuses? There is a big difference. We are born to disagree but we are not created to abuse.  

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Farooq A. Kperogi

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Apr 11, 2020, 10:42:07 AM4/11/20
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I have blocked his email address, so I don't even see whatever he writes. What the eyes don't see, the heart does not grieve over. 

Kadiri is beneath contempt and unworthy of any serious person's time.

But, as the moderator, it's your call if you want this forum to be continually polluted by the ignorance and vituperative vulgarity of people like Salimonu Kadiri.

I know he is obsessed with me for reasons only he knows. I can outmatch him in vituperative rhetoric, but what use is it fighting a pig in the gutter? That's its home. It derives joy in gutter fights. It lives for it. 

And it's usually when I fight back that the moderator calls for caution. So what's the point doing so?

In order to save myself the trouble of reading scorn-worthy nonsense from Kadiri that might tempt me to respond, I simply blocked him. I know many people that have done so.

Who even knows if he is what he claims he is? He has no name to protect and no body of knowledge to read other than the ignorance he spews here. 

This is basically an anonymous online troll that lives for juvenile flame wars in this forum. It's the moderator's choice whether he wants characters like him to define the tenor of conversations here.

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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Apr 11, 2020, 11:01:11 AM4/11/20
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Well there we go again!  Who is defying the miderators overtures now!

Surely takes two to tango.

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Date: 11/04/2020 15:42 (GMT+00:00)
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I have blocked his email address, so I don't even see whatever he writes. What the eyes don't see, the heart does not grieve over. 

Kadiri is beneath contempt and unworthy of any serious person's time.

But, as the moderator, it's your call if you want this forum to be continually polluted by the ignorance and vituperative vulgarity of people like Salimonu Kadiri.

I know he is obsessed with me for reasons only he knows. I can outmatch him in vituperative rhetoric, but what use is it fighting a pig in the gutter? That's its home. It derives joy in gutter fights. It lives for it. 

And it's usually when I fight back that the moderator calls for caution. So what's the point doing so?

In order to save myself the trouble of reading scorn-worthy nonsense from Kadiri that might tempt me to respond, I simply blocked him. I know many people that have done so.

Who even knows if he is what he claims he is? He has no name to protect and no body of knowledge to read other than the ignorance he spews here. 

This is basically an anonymous online troll that lives for juvenile flame wars in this forum. It's the moderator's choice whether he wants characters like him to define the tenor of conversations here.

Farooq


Personal website: www.farooqkperogi.com
Twitter: @farooqkperogi
 

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O O

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You were technically right, so (for me), the issue is not so much that you (FK) pointed out BK’s error (which was perhaps a “typo” or a non-“typo” on BK’s part)  but HOW you (FK) pointed out the error —  you pointed out the error CONDESCENDINGLY.

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Farooq A. Kperogi

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I have no clue what you're talking about. Who is BK? What's "BK's error"? What has that got to do with anything in this thread?

By the way, I'm Farooq Kperogi or simply Farooq. I'm not FK. I don't do this abbreviation business.

Farooq


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OLAYINKA AGBETUYI

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Apr 11, 2020, 1:06:41 PM4/11/20
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OO.

You are communicating with the rest of us as well.

We understand perfectly what you mean.

OAA



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I have no clue what you're talking about. Who is BK? What's "BK's error"? What has that got to do with anything in this thread?

By the way, I'm Farooq Kperogi or simply Farooq. I'm not FK. I don't do this abbreviation business.

Farooq


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Salimonu Kadiri

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Apr 11, 2020, 2:44:58 PM4/11/20
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​Dear moderator,

 I know that I am not a perfect human being just as no human being on earth is perfect but whenever my attention is drawn to any misstep by me, I always apologise, especially when such a misstep is unmotivated.

​As your allegation against me that I have been abusing Farooq Kperogi is wide and unsubstantiated, I will be very grateful if you can point exactly to me, relevant portions of my responses to Farooq Kperogi's postings that constitute abuses and unrelated to his language of expressions in his postings. Immediately you acquaint me with the said abuses that I  have committed against Farooq Kperogi in my postings without just cause, I will tender unreserved apology to him and others who, in sympathy with him, might have taken offence in the said abusive posts of mine.
S. Kadiri 


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Baba Kadiri.

You and Farooq have abused each other on many occasions in the past as Ken recently testified. I plead guilty as charged to the same offence.  Farooq has just tangentially pleaded guilty to the offence.
.We must strive henceforth to mutually depart from this habit.

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​Dear moderator,

 I know that I am not a perfect human being just as no human being on earth is perfect but whenever my attention is drawn to any misstep by me, I always apologise, especially when such a misstep is unmotivated.

​As your allegation against me that I have been abusing Farooq Kperogi is wide and unsubstantiated, I will be very grateful if you can point exactly to me, relevant portions of my responses to Farooq Kperogi's postings that constitute abuses and unrelated to his language of expressions in his postings. Immediately you acquaint me with the said abuses that I  have committed against Farooq Kperogi in my postings without just cause, I will tender unreserved apology to him and others who, in sympathy with him, might have taken offence in the said abusive posts of mine.
S. Kadiri 


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Cornelius Hamelberg

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Dear Earthlings,

Dear Fellow World Citizens

Dear Human Beings

As di book pipul dem seh

It’s,” Age before beauty, so  

Baba being a term of respect and endearment I say

Dear Baba Kadiri (DSK) and on the same line and on the same page, Dear Don Farooq Kperogi (DDFK)

Or should I say merely say, dear FK – and out of respect, add the D.D.  after your name, the D.D. of course, conferring your Doctor of Divinity or if you so prefer, D.H. (like earth-man Lawrence) but in your case the D.H. being nothing less than Doctor of Humility (a doctorate in Humility). On the way to such glory lesser beings first attain the second heaven with an M.H. ( Master of Humility) before ascending to decorate themselves or be humbly decorated by some even more humble, less vengeful examiners with a B.A. Honours, Magna Cum Laude, Harvard, in Humility and Civility, and listen to my humblebrag : like my first daughter, my rose petal  who won the Monarch’s Prize in her first year as the best  Law Student in England and Wales and went on to  get a First First in Law. It happens when you are in love with the Law. I asked a professor how good is that and was told “She’s from on another planet “ – and another humble brag, thinking of humility which comes from humus, I retorted, “ No she’s not, she, from planet earth, just like us.” As you Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe, Adam ( which is Hebrew means dark earth) was made  of that ( dark earth) suggesting to some other intelligent  fellow earthlings that G-d’s first man must have been Black  - fast forward to Islam which also talks of the deadly sin known as Kibr , in Surah al-A`raf/ The Elevated Places Ayat/verses 10-13  we are told the whole story. The Quran says that Iblis (the devil) complained to Allah subhanahu wa ta’la:

“10 And We have given you (mankind) power in the earth, and appointed for you therein livelihoods. Little give ye thanks!

11 And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

12 He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.

13 He said: Then go down hence! It is not for thee to show pride here, so go forth! Lo! thou art of those degraded.”

Check out what happened when some people who knew no better threw thrash on Allah subhanahu wa ta’la’s beloved Prophet.

 About the quality of faith shown by the Sahaba check out Sahih Muslim ( I gave my complete collection to Kamal Moubadder after studying it thoroughly and with great delight)  - here I want to draw your attention to this section Book 23, Number 4881 in the chapter  KITAB Al-ASHRIBA (THE BOOK OF DRINKS) – and how Rasulullah, sallalhahu alaihi wa salam handled the situation when Hamza said: “Are you anything but the slaves of my father?”

It is reported, “Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to know that he was intoxicated, and he thus turned upon his heels, and came out, and we also came out along with him.”

Shortly after Rasulullah got home, the verses prohibiting alcohol were revealed and many hadiths report how the faithful reacted when they heard the news that Al-cohol was haram. They quit drinking.

I hate preaching. Humility is some people's proudest possession ( smile) .But what about love? I often quote the Bible and Quran, because that is the language of the people in this forum.  Unfortunately, some people express more respect for the coronavirus than for their fellow folks with souls

The way I see it, the world is full of contradictions and in the Naija world too, Farooq Kperogi is doing a vital job. He says that he is “also inspired and persuaded by the Socratic aphorism that says, “The unexamined life is not worth living.” Another dimension of the examined life is introspection – self-examination. In The Nimatullahi  Gonabdi tariqa it’s known as Muhasaba and defined as “ Self -examination; the traveller’s accounting of his thoughts and deeds on the path to God. The Holy Prophet has said, “ take account of your actions before they take account of you, and weigh yourself before you are weighed, and die before you are dead” p. 39 of Pand-I Salih

  “Criticism is as inevitable as breathing “, crowed T. S. Eliot, but he was crowing more about literary criticism, than about, e.g. Brother Buhari.

 Brother Buhari is a practical man. A practical man is one that is flexible. A practical man is one that engaged MOSSAD to kidnap and bring back, not our Chibok Girls) but the rascal Umaru Dikko, to face the music.

In conclusion, about the life examined, better an unhappy Socrates than a joyful pig

Better a dissatisfied Kperogi than a happy porker

There’s nothing that should percent Adamu Adamu an erstwhile abuser of the Yoruba, from apologising, because no amount of repentance (Tauba) is complete without that apology.

Excuse me I have now run out of words….

 

 


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O O

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FK (my bag 100%) — I meant to say “Professor Jibrin Ibrahim” (NOT BK). 

In other words, my beef with you Farooq Kperogi (FK) is STILL NOT so much that you (FK) corrected Jibrin Ibrahim’s apparent error (which was perhaps a “typo” or a non-“typo” on Jibrin Ibrahim’s  part)  but HOW you (FK) corrected the apparent error:  you (unnecessarily) corrected the error CONDESCENDINGLY.

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OO.

You are communicating with the rest of us as well.

We understand perfectly what you mean.

OAA



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I have no clue what you're talking about. Who is BK? What's "BK's error"? What has that got to do with anything in this thread?

By the way, I'm Farooq Kperogi or simply Farooq. I'm not FK. I don't do this abbreviation business.

Farooq


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You were technically right, so (for me), the issue is not so much that you (FK) pointed out BK’s error (which was perhaps a “typo” or a non-“typo” on BK’s part)  but HOW you (FK) pointed out the error —  you pointed out the error CONDESCENDINGLY.

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Anthony Akinola

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Talking of HUMILITY, we must not be too presumptuous of our own brilliance or importance.
We should learn to respect one another. The great writer or speaker of the English Language,
or the 21st century version of Herodotus, may find out that he or she is totally empty when
it comes to the world of mathematics or medicine.We have no right whatsoever to look down
on others,we must not seek to belittle those we erroneously assume we are their intellectual superiors.

Anthony Akinola,
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Ayotunde Bewaji

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In all humility, I find the Moderator's intervention here unacceptable, as it privileges a virulent voice that peddles hate, while putting down a voice that informs. There are empty barrels making the most noise in many ways, with many platforms, capable of doing damage to our collective capacity to sift the verbiage from the critically important, if such as Baba Kadiri is inadvertently muzzled. Let all have their say in enlightened and inoffensive manner and the jury continue to be our collective readership. I wouldn't even read Professor Kperogi's validation of your censorship which he takes to be a legitimation of his often unveiled demeaning of others. Just my humble view. Thanks for the Pastor Kunle Ajayi serving in classical jazz. I wish it was celebrating Moremi though. Ire ni o, l'Ojo Ajinde. 


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Harrow, Kenneth

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i agree w olayinka. no one can claim not to have been annoyed with others, with their opinions, and have either thought to attack them or their  views. well, we need to exchange differences of opinions. and we need to do so with respect.
over and over we come to this point: we need a reset. i think the parties involved expressed willingness to reset, so let's recommence, with the understanding that it is important to all of us to be here and to hear out each other.
toyin can't reset this on his own, it has to be all of us.
only then can we get the turtle out of heaven, back onto earth where he belongs....with a shell that shows all the different pieces.
after all, a turtle with a shell that had only one opinion wouldn't be very interesting
ken

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Julius Eto

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Baba Kadiri,why deny that you trade insults with Farooq when it's very obvious.

This is why Kperogi won't bother to deny this as it will be a lie.

You guys should eschew insults and present your points in refined language as befitting this platform.

Let's move on please.








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i agree w olayinka. no one can claim not to have been annoyed with others, with their opinions, and have either thought to attack them or their  views. well, we need to exchange differences of opinions. and we need to do so with respect.

over and over we come to this point: we need a reset. i think the parties involved expressed willingness to reset, so let's recommence, with the understanding that it is important to all of us to be here and to hear out each other.

toyin can't reset this on his own, it has to be all of us.

only then can we get the turtle out of heaven, back onto earth where he belongs....with a shell that shows all the different pieces.

after all, a turtle with a shell that had only one opinion wouldn't be very interesting



ken











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Baba Kadiri.



You and Farooq have abused each other on many occasions in the past as Ken recently testified. I plead guilty as charged to the same offence.  Farooq has just tangentially pleaded guilty to the offence.
.We must strive henceforth to mutually depart from this habit.



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​Dear moderator,





 I know that I am not a perfect human being just as no human being on earth is perfect but whenever my attention is drawn to any misstep by me, I always apologise, especially when such a misstep is unmotivated.





​As your allegation against me that I have been abusing Farooq Kperogi is wide and unsubstantiated, I will be very grateful if you can point exactly to me, relevant portions of my responses to Farooq Kperogi's postings that constitute
abuses and unrelated to his language of expressions in his postings. Immediately you acquaint me with the said abuses that I  have committed against Farooq Kperogi in my postings without just cause, I will tender unreserved apology to him and others who, in
sympathy with him, might have taken offence in the said abusive posts of mine.

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In all humility, I find the Moderator's intervention here unacceptable, as it privileges a virulent voice that peddles hate, while putting down a voice that informs. There are empty barrels making the most noise in many ways, with many platforms, capable of doing damage to our collective capacity to sift the verbiage from the critically important, if such as Baba Kadiri is inadvertently muzzled. Let all have their say in enlightened and inoffensive manner and the jury continue to be our collective readership. I wouldn't even read Professor Kperogi's validation of your censorship which he takes to be a legitimation of his often unveiled demeaning of others. Just my humble view. Thanks for the Pastor Kunle Ajayi serving in classical jazz. I wish it was celebrating Moremi though. Ire ni o, l'Ojo Ajinde. 


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Thanks Baba Kadiri for your peace overture.

Please Farooq, follow suit so that piece can reign
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​Dear Moderator, Professor Toyin Falola,

​I did not see Farooq's response beneath before I requested you to make available to me any portion of my previous posts that might have constituted abuses to the person of Kperogi so that I could apologise to him for my infatuation. Since you are silent on my request, I take it for granted that I am innocent of any abusive language against Farooq Kperogi in any of my posts. Therefore, I hope that for the sake of equilibrium, you will find it appropriate to post my response to Farooq. 

​My late father used to warn me never to dance to the drums of lunatics because of the tendency that the public may take me as a lunatic too. On the contrary, my dear late mother drew me to her side and whispered into my ear that I could dance to the drums of dangerous lunatics to prevent being harmed but I should take my dancing steps far away from the drummers and seize the chance to run into safety. I have had several occasions in my life to abide with my mother's advice. 

​Psychologically, I am a free human being since I have a shelter over my head, I can afford more than three meals a day, I have a stable family in which I am blessed with children and grandchildren and I can afford to travel to any part of the world at will if granted visa. Physically, I am not free because I am constantly reminded of my racial origin by the global economic controllers. Take for instance Andrew Young of the US whose generation had been in the US for over five centuries who, today, is still forced to identify himself as an African American and Bill Clinton is not European American but just an American. I have lived much of my life outside Nigeria (Africa) than inside it, but I am conscious of the fact that no matter how long a mangrove tree stays under the water in the swamp it cannot become a crocodile. That explains why I cannot keep away from Nigerian (African) affairs.

​The socio-economic and industrial problems of Nigeria, despite availabilities of very high manpower and raw materials, are very glaring, palpable and blatant. To insinuate the contrary is ether a flight into fantasy or disgusting sophistry. The economic condition which Buhari inherited in 2015 had been in existence since 1985 and that economic ideology had indoctrinated average Nigerians to believe that their dreams for personal wealth could be realized through fate (predestination) and magic and not through hard work, sweat and determination. The economic system had decayed to such level that unless Buhari is constitutionally granted extraordinary powers to deal with the situation, the decay can never be reversed. As a patriot, I stand for Nigeria and against any government whose policy is, politically and economically anti-Nigerians. If our dear moderator had cared to read all that Farooq Kperogi had written on Buhari  he would discover that they have not been about political and economic policies of the government but about the person of Buhari. Thus, to accuse me of abusing Farooq Kperogi is to dress the villainous Farooq in martyrdom or transform his banditry into chivalry. I will expatiate further later.

​May I refer the moderator to the forum's archive from Friday, 28 October 2016 where Mobolaji Aluko wrote : 
​T.F, This "outrightly* war is all my fault. I used the word innocently recently without ever knowing that it had been explicitly banned as non-standard by English Professor Farooq (Faruk?) on these boards. One of my usual caterwauling traducers - fancifully called Nebukadineze (Nebukadnezzer?) - then wrote that it was not an English word at all, only for me to show that it exists in several reputable online dictionaries (I have not bought a physical dictionaries in forty years), only for Farooq to write that only words in the physical Oxford dictionary count, particularly in polite company, it should be used  by educated professional elites like himself and yours truly. 
​
​On the same day, Farooq responded. It is true your post was the immediate trigger for my column, …//...  It may interest you to know that online dictionaries didn't have an entry for ''outrightly''  7 years ago, when I first wrote on the word. It was added courtesy of repeated searches for the word in search boxes of online dictionaries, apparently by non-native English speakers, who habitually use it on analogy to the adverbial form of "right." You have lived in the US continuously for more than four decades, mostly in University environments. Ask any of your American friends or colleagues if they use "outrightly" as the adverb of "outright". Maybe we should ask Dr. Harrow, a professor of English and native speaker of the language, how the word sounds to him. Farooq's response to Mobolaji Aluko caused Ibukunolu Babajide's intervention whereby he Christened Farooq as the gatekeeper of standard English.  However at about 19:05:00 according to my computer, Dr. Kenneth Harrow, intervened on the question about if the word "Outrightly" is a correct English word. He wrote, "Dear all, I never heard anyone say outrightly.  He even defended Farooq against Ibukunolu Babajide thus, "As for Farooq, he is not a gatekeeper." After getting his hat feathered by Kenneth Harrow, Farooq retorted like a house negro, "I have chosen to ignore IBK's unintelligent rants because I know he is just smarting from a really hurtful smackdown. Pèlé o. PÈLÉ is a Yoruba word that can be used to demean or show sympathy. In this case Farooq used it to demean IBK. Dissatisfied with Harrow's partial intervention in favour of Farooq, I urged him to use his position as a professor in English language and as a native speaker of English to stop  online dictionaries from further publications so as to prevent other people from becoming victims like Mobolaji Aluko. On Sunday, 30 October 2016, Harrow replied, "Me too, I don't want to jump into a fight! Please make peace, and we can move on... King Lear." I, however reminded Kenneth Harrow that he had already jumped into the ''outrightly fight by declaring not to have heard anyone say it and it was his duty to protect the sanctity of the language in which he is a professor. The master was silent and the house negro rejoiced. 

​It was not until Tuesday, 1 November 2016, that I experienced Farooq Kperogi's gall on this issue of 'outrightly'. His post read, "I don't get to read Salimonu Kadiri. Since about a year ago I've directed my server to automatically trash his emails. I have no  patience for the incredible depth of obtuseness and ignorance that emanates from him. No one, I think, has the right to be that astonishingly clueless and still imagine himself fit to participate in discussions on a list like this. I would encourage you to ignore him. Most people on this list that I know ignore him. Others read him purely for comic relief. I personally can't stomach his comical obtuseness." Now, going to four years after he wrote the above, he wrote below, "In order to save myself the trouble of reading scorn-worthy nonsense from Kadiri that might tempt me to respond, I simply blocked him. I know many people have done so." The solipsist has spoken his mind and I find comfort in my late mother's once encouraging statement to me that being honest may not get me many friends but it will always get me the right one. In order to save time, I will limit Farooq Kperogi's writings on Muhammadu Buhari to the current Coronavirus pandemic, and my response on it to him.

On Saturday, 21 March 2020, you the moderator, Toyin Falola, allowed Farooq A. Kperogi to post on this forum an article he titled, Coronavirus : Why Buhari Won't Address Nigerians. As you are well aware, Muhammadu Buhari is the President of Nigeria. Here follows excerpts from the aforementioned article caused to be published by you. Buhari is not well. A televised broadcast, however short, might expose and aggrandize this fact more forcefully than ever before (that Buhari is not well). Notice that in previous broadcasts that his handlers felt compelled to ask him to make, he evinced noticeably low energy and slurred speech; On November 23, 2018, I twitted about my encounter with a doctor who met Buhari in a non-medical context and told me, based on his treatment of and interactions with dementia patients, he was convinced that Buhari has dementia which, as I've pointed out before, is often characterized by repetitiveness, unawareness, mental deterioration, impaired memory, diminished quality of thought, slurred speech and finally complete helplessness;
​Now even close aides of Buhari admit in private (to me, Farooq Kperogi) that I was right; People who have had a chance to interact recently also concede (to me, Farooq Kperogi) that Buhari appears to be wracked by an irreversible mental decline and loss of control. Are you Toyin Falola, affirming that the afore-cited excerpts from Farooq A. Kperogi constitute criticisms of Muhammadu Buhari's government that should enjoy freedom of expression? How do you want me to characterise a professor of English language that assigned to himself the role of a medical doctor to diagnose Muhammadu Buhari, a dementia? Don't you think it is insulting to the intelligence of forum members for Farooq Kperogi to base his diagnoses on Muhammadu Buharri's health on the presumptive contacts he has had in Atlanta with fictitious aides and a medical expert around Buhari and want readers to believe him? 

​Nigeria has a Federal Minister of Health as well as an Agency called Nigeria Centre for Disease Control (NCDC). In a pandemic situation within the country, every sane person knows that President Buhari cannot just jump up at will to broadcast to the nation without proper counsel from the Minister in charge of health and the NCDC. By happenstance, the very Saturday that Farooq Kperogi published his, Coronavirus Why Buhari Won't Address Nigerians, President Buhari factually addressed Nigerians about what government had done and measures to be taken to curtail and prevent the spread of the virus in Nigeria. However, Federal government's measures, as broadcasted by Muhammadu Buhari, on Coronavirus were not the focal point of criticism by Farooq A. Kperogi. On Sunday, 22 March 2020, he titled his post on this forum, Buhari's ''KOVIK ONE NINE'' Pronunciational Mishap Proves My Saturday Column. Here follows excerpts from Farooq Kperogi's written reaction to Muhammadu Buhari's broadcast : After so much pressure, which my widely shared Saturday Tribune back-page column added to, the Aso Rock cabal finally forced Buhari, a dementia-plagued, insentient old geezer who masquerades as ''President'' to address the nation today on the new Coronavirus; Although his speech was pre-recorded (which means it wasn't live), his handlers couldn't get him to retake the portion where he mispronounced COVID-19 as ''KOVIK One Nine!" Triumphantly, Farooq did not only claim that his Saturday's article contributed to forcing Buhari to broadcast to the nation about Coronavirus pandemin but that the broadcast itself also confirmed his diagnose of dementia on the President whom he heard pronounce KOVIK One Nine. By Saturday, 3 April 2020 he was convinced hearing Buhari saying COVIK 1-9 instead of KOVIK One Nine. When the house master reacted that what the house negro wrote about Buhari would have caused him death or imprisonment if he were to write such in Rwanda, Burundi or DRC, the house negro retorted tearfully that his contact in the presidency in Nigeria had informed him of a plan to assassinate him in the USA. For that he got patted on the head by the master and he felt elated. 

I am not the only one that has reacted to Farooq Kperogi's constant attack on the person of President Muhammadu Buhari instead of his politics. Among Kperogi's critics is Dr. Sikiru Eniola who wrote on 21 March 2020, "Farooq Kperogi is carrying this anti Buhari obsession beyond sane climes." That was in response to Kperogi's Coronavirus: why Buhari won't address Nigerians. However, Michael Afolayan, objected to Sikiru Eniola's stand that there was no reason for the President to rush into nationwide broadcast. Farooq seized the opportunity to pour bile on Dr. Sikiru Eniola, which passed through your censorship on 22 March 2020. Farooq wrote : Oga Michael Afolayan, 
​Sikiru Eniola is an unthinking partisan hack who doesn't deserve your …. or any serious person's … time. I have no clue who he is, nor do I care, but he thinks he can tell me, in his poor, inarticulate English, what to write and not to write about!
In the midst of a global pandemic that has reached Nigeria and keeps increasing everyday, the man's only concern is partisan political loyalty to a gravely incompetent sicko that has been fraudulently imposed as ''president.'' To be a professor, I think, is not to bear a title or tattle but to be humble. Dr. Sikiru Eniola is not Professor Kperogi's student and what has poor, inarticulate English got to do with the point raised by Dr. Eniola? Farooq who is now demanding that Dr. Sikiru Eniola should concern himself only with coronavirus, did not maintain the same moral responsibility when out of many things Professor Jibrin Ibrahim wrote on Coronavirus in his piece, titled Precarity, the only thing he could comment on was what Professor Ibrahim referred to in his essay as geek economy is called gig economy in the US. Ridiculing Professor Jibrin Ibrahim, Farooq wrote, I have never heard ''geek'' economy before.

Not wanting to grant others the right that he claims for himself is a quality that Farooq Kperogi has demonstrated on numerous occasions on this forum. Why then should it be an abuse to point out that narcissistic quality in him? Farooq Kperogi wrote, "I have blocked his (Salimonu Kadiri's) email address, so I don't even see whatever he writes. In order to save myself the trouble of reading scorn-worthy nonsense from Kadiri ….. I simply blocked him. I know many people that have done so. …//… He has no name to protect and no body of knowledge to read other than the ignorance he spews here." My dear moderator, Professor Toyin Falola, here is Professor Farooq Kperogi telling readers that he has blocked my email address from his inbox so that he never reads whatever I write. How then does he get to know that I write scorn-worthy nonsense and that I spew ignorance here? Farooq must possess the same extraordinary power (is it hallucination?) which he claimed enabled him to meet with an imaginary doctor in Atlanta who had told him of Buhari's dementia as well as Buhari's close aides who had confirmed to him of Buhari's dementia that now makes him to know that I write scorn-worthy nonsense and spew ignorance. Viewed from his presumed special quality, it is not abusive to characterise Farooq Kperogi as a schizotypal person since he claims to possess extrasensory powers and the ability to know whatever I write without reading it. Behaviourally, Farooq A. Kperogi, is an ultimate intellectual autocrat whose judgment or submission on any subject cannot be questioned, and even worse, one must not have a superior argument against him. He is a big head that thinks he knows it all and from that platform treats other people like anus that brings nothing but shit, forgetting that a closed anus is a recipe for disaster. The amplitude of his lexical arsenal, which makes him more addicted to feeling very special, is very enormous, but of what use is that to Nigerians if it can't cause electric electric light to shine, can't mine iron-ore in Ajaokuta and work it into iron & steel, can't refine crude oil, can't build decent residential houses, can't construct and maintain good roads, and can't modernise the ancient nomadic pastoralism into ranches? Confronting any of our mothers in any of the Nigerian local markets with his lexical arsenal, she, in her wisdom will only ask him, how many English vocabularies make one gram of yam? Probably, she will irritatingly tell him, go and chop your grammar!

​The government should be held accountable for its actions and inactions. That is why it is legitimate to criticise governments for their wrong doings. In the wake of Coronavirus, it was said that President Buhari pardoned 2,600 prisoners for the purpose of dis-congesting prisons. The following day, Thursday, 9 April 2020, the Director General of Nigerian Correctional Service (former Nigerian Prison), Ja'afaru Ahmed, was reported by Premium Times Nigeria as saying that, of the total prison inmates of 73,726 in Nigeria, only 22,773 had been convicted. The rest 51,983 inmates are awaiting trial of which most of them have been kept beyond jail terms they should have received for the offence they are accused of, if convicted. At the same time ex-Service Chiefs who stole billions of dollars from the Defence account and thereby enabled Boko Haram to wreck havocs on the nation, have been charged to court, granted bails and had their trials adjourned sine die. Some are even negotiating for plea bargaining, which means returning part of the stolen funds in return for not being prosecuted. Of over forty-seven ex-Governors that have been charged to court for treasury lootings since 2007, only three have hitherto been convicted. Although APC, the party of President Buhari is in  majority in the National Assembly, Special Tribunal Law that will accelerate the trial of treasury plunderers is yet to be passed. What is the need for public officials to declare their assets when the same is hidden from citizens' view through a technicality in law which the APC majority controlled National Assembly has refused to amend? The list of wrongs requiring immediate remedies in Nigeria is long and I think all lovers of Nigeria and Nigerians should exert pressure on the government to do something about. I am of the impression that Farooq A. Kperogi is not criticising President Muhammadu Buhari on how he governs Nigeria. Rather, he is attacking Buhari personally by diagnosing him a dementia afflicted, a proclamation that is both criminal and libellous. I say it is criminal because Farooq A. Kperogi has no medical license to diagnose the health condition of anyone, including Buhari, and as such, he is qualified to be charged as a quack doctor in respect of his diagnoses on Buhari. On the other hand, his action is libellous because he has no authentic medical diagnoses to support his claim that Buhari is afflicted with dementia. Farooq A. Kperogi is a Professor of English language but not a medical professor. Just as a lizard is not a crocodile, a professor in English language is not a professor in medicine. With this clarification, it is up to the moderator to decide if he wants to continue posting on this forum Farooq A. Kperogi's quackery on Buhari's health but the moderator should be courageous enough to permit dissenters to voice their dissociation with that criminal and libellous act.
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Again, all I can say is we should all exercise more tolerance of each other.  No one knows all and no one is above criticism.

When someone criticises us it may be because their baggage of past experience does not allow them to see the point we are making.  We should hesitate in calling them demeaning names; if we are patient enough others will rally to our cause because they have similar past baggage to ours

In fact that is what makes intellectual  community qua intellectual community thrive:  that we will not ALL always agree on the same things.  The day that agreement happens that community ipso facto becomes a TYRANNICAL community!

Suggesting that the moderator help us drive away those whose views misalign with ours to shore up the quality of debate is a cleverly disguised tyranny.

No one is forced to respond to a rejoinder to their post

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Dear Prof TF,

I can see that SK and FK are patriots who are opposed to corruption and want good governance in Nigeria but their approaches are different.

One sees the other as government enemy and the other sees the other as regime cheerleader. But if you read Baba SK, he occasionally patriotically criticises the APC hierarchy for not moving fast enough on reforms and development. He praises the government when necessary for some achievements in a difficult country like Nigeria.

I also constructively/objectively criticise the APC and PDP governments at all levels while praising any observable modest achievements. As a sympathiser of the Labour Party and the Sowore-led African Action Congress, i will continue to hold the twin parties (APC and PDP=APDP) accountable at all levels in the national interest for development. As SK noted, the APC and PDP have not done enough for our country given our human and natural resources.

Therefore, I see no reason for SK and FK to be bitter enemies unless there is something more to it that we don't know or see.
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I believe the respected Moderator's intervention is appropriate at this point in time. It underscores the need for caution, discipline and academic maturity. We can make our contributions devoid of invectives, or without being acerbic. It is quite enriching and could be quite engaging when issues are looked at from different perspectives. That is why everyone is welcome, and all shades of opinion encouraged. And so far so good, if you asked me. Let me also assume that we are all one family on this platform, driven by a collective passion: advancing the cause of humanity. Therefore, we need to be considerate about others and be less temperamental, so that "our Rome may be room indeed!" My Kobo.
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I believe the respected Moderator's intervention is appropriate at this point in time. It underscores the need for caution, discipline and academic maturity. We can make our contributions devoid of invectives, or without being acerbic. It is quite enriching and could be quite engaging when issues are looked at from different perspectives. That is why everyone is welcome, and all shades of opinion encouraged. And so far so good, if you asked me. Let me also assume that we are all one family on this platform, driven by a collective passion: advancing the cause of humanity. Therefore, we need to be considerate about others and be less temperamental, so that "our Rome may be room indeed!" My Kobo.
Cheers,

Prof. Ademola Omobewaji Dasylva, FNAL.
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Coordinator, Ibadan Cultural Studies Group (ICSG);
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Chief Kadiri,
I am not the Moderator.
I have read your reasons why you felt President Buhari's health condition should not be the focus of criticism rather it should be his policies and actions or inactions in office. 
To be in any political office in any democratic country like ours in Nigeria, one must be ready for any form of criticism. Every citizen has freedom to say or write whatever comes to his mind but he must bear in mind its consequences. He must be ready for lawsuits for libel. In other words, he can be held responsible for what he says or writes. Now if President Buhari feels offended by all the alleged insults of Farooq he can charged him (Farooq)to court.
Be that as it may, as colleagues, we must respect ourselves if we want the public to take us serious. Our language of communication must be scholarly, intellectually and morally decent. Please let us sheath the sword of rancor and anger and move on. 
 I think that is my understanding of the message of the Moderator. 
Thanks gentlemen. 
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Prof Ogungbemi
Is Farooq's response to the Moderator's request scholarly, intellectually and morally decent?

I will expatriate more on the calling of a public communications expert later in my response to Julius Eto's post.

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Chief Kadiri,
I am not the Moderator.
I have read your reasons why you felt President Buhari's health condition should not be the focus of criticism rather it should be his policies and actions or inactions in office. 
To be in any political office in any democratic country like ours in Nigeria, one must be ready for any form of criticism. Every citizen has freedom to say or write whatever comes to his mind but he must bear in mind its consequences. He must be ready for lawsuits for libel. In other words, he can be held responsible for what he says or writes. Now if President Buhari feels offended by all the alleged insults of Farooq he can charged him (Farooq)to court.
Be that as it may, as colleagues, we must respect ourselves if we want the public to take us serious. Our language of communication must be scholarly, intellectually and morally decent. Please let us sheath the sword of rancor and anger and move on. 
 I think that is my understanding of the message of the Moderator. 
Thanks gentlemen. 
Segun Ogungbemi. 


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First of all let me sound a note of warning that by daring to say that Buhari can be seen as having some achievements and has not been busy merely twiddling his thumbs since 2015 you risk being insulted yourself  and it is not the lot of only Dr Eniola and BK to share that fate as OO recently discovered in trying to step in to enquire why Farooq's post to Jibrin Ibrahim had to be framed in such a 'condescending' manner. Farooq's response to OO appears even more condescending compared to the latter's appraisal of Farooq's response to Jibrin's post.

Let me recall that I have had a bit of conflict with the combative manner of presentation of others for example Moses Ochonu.  But I can deal with and even forgive combative presentation from Moses Ochonu who never pretended to be a pubic communications expert nor to be formally trained in public communications.  The guy is merely a professor of History.  We expect him to have picked up a few skills in public communications along the way but if he did not that is NOT his forte.  Provided he can write reasonable history essays with above average logic and write books to the same level he has committed no crime.

Now consider a man whose forte is public communications and actually PROFESSES that discipline who habitually finds  joy in serially exchanging written insults in a public forum FOR WHATEVER REASONS with all manner of people.

Consider the same fellow as a columnist who serially and seemingly unstoppably engaged in throwing insults on the pages of newspapers at public figures.

If you Julius Eto have a ward who is interested in studying public communications in a university and samples of writing of a professor is placed before you laced with insults and another sample from another professor and columnist in this forum without names attached to the columns the university of which columnist would you send your ward?  It is a cardinal axiom of teaching: you cannot teach what you don't know. A professor of public communication is not equipped to teach even the lower courses of communication ethics if his writings reveal he knows NOTHING about it.

Another scenario.  When applying for graduate studies some institutions asked for samples of my writing.  Lets say you are part of a graduate admissions board of Mass Communicatiins department and a prospective graduate student sent in a sample writing material in which his country's president is being serially  personally nsulted what would be your decision regarding admission to graduate school? Is the way a person conduct their affairs post graduation not suggestive of the quality of education?

Yet another scenario to consider is what manner of editorial board of newspaper consider it value for money for their readers to  employ a columnist who thinks insulting journalism is the cutting edge of public communications.  I know the level of professionalism The Tribune had in the watch of tested hands of the likes of Felix Adenaike.  Is it because the founders are no longer alive that the newspaper must be thrown into the gutter?

So judgement in the fracas of the two cannot be even handed.  I know the moderator tried his best to caution both Farooq and BK starting a few weeks ago with Farooq and now BK but the situationn should NEVER have degenerated to that level if the PROFESSOR of public communications has upheld the ethics and ethos of his calling oir there is indeed NOTHING to profess.  BK never claimed to be anything.

Two classes of academic professionals are and should be leaders of public communication discourses if they are genuine and not fake and if they know their onions: professors of philosophy should know how public communication discourses are STRUCTURED by virtue of their training and professors of public communication have the calling that ensures they know how public communication should be PRESENTED no matter under what circumstances.  Formal syntactic presentation is merely a tip of the iceberg of presentation and it amounts to NOTHING without its ethics and ethos.

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Dear Prof TF,

I can see that SK and FK are patriots who are opposed to corruption and want good governance in Nigeria but their approaches are different.

One sees the other as government enemy and the other sees the other as regime cheerleader. But if you read Baba SK, he occasionally patriotically criticises the APC hierarchy for not moving fast enough on reforms and development. He praises the government when necessary for some achievements in a difficult country like Nigeria.

I also constructively/objectively criticise the APC and PDP governments at all levels while praising any observable modest achievements. As a sympathiser of the Labour Party and the Sowore-led African Action Congress, i will continue to hold the twin parties (APC and PDP=APDP) accountable at all levels in the national interest for development. As SK noted, the APC and PDP have not done enough for our country given our human and natural resources.

Therefore, I see no reason for SK and FK to be bitter enemies  unless there is something more to it that we don't know or see.









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dear olayinka
not to chime in on any conflicts here, but simply a statement from one academic about another. you do realize moses ochonu is a brilliant historian who has already accomplished a great deal in his position at vanderbilt, a highly prestigious school. his work is very much respected in the profession.
i am not opining on your differences on the politics, just on his "character reference"
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Great observation, Ken. I was going to say the same when I read OAA's piece about Moses but I did not want to be caught in the web of untoward scrimmages. I also felt to be endowed in the field implies you have to be able to do more than just "write reasonable history essays with above average logic and write books to the same level he has committed no crime" as OAA boldly opined. about Moses. You said it well, in a few words Ken - far better than I could have in a thousand words. Thanks! MOA
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Ken.

I am not commenting on Moses Ochonu"s position or his work in his institution.  I do not teach in that institution and I am not in any pecking order in relation to him.

I am merely an outside commentator on the style of his rhetoric in a public forum such as this.

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dear olayinka
not to chime in on any conflicts here, but simply a statement from one academic about another. you do realize moses ochonu is a brilliant historian who has already accomplished a great deal in his position at vanderbilt, a highly prestigious school. his work is very much respected in the profession.
i am not opining on your differences on the politics, just on his "character reference"
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ADDENDUM

Dear Ken.

For the avoidance doubt if you have Moses Ochonu's style of presentation I would tell you to your face whether or not you are a distinguished professor of literature.

If Professor Gloria Emeagweli has the same disposition I would say so without mincing words.

Its a clear observable phenomenon.  It is not insulting to make a general observation

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dear olayinka
not to chime in on any conflicts here, but simply a statement from one academic about another. you do realize moses ochonu is a brilliant historian who has already accomplished a great deal in his position at vanderbilt, a highly prestigious school. his work is very much respected in the profession.
i am not opining on your differences on the politics, just on his "character reference"
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Oga MOA.

May be my euphemism was not accurate enough. Its a question of how far above average one needs to be.

I am sure my summary acknowledged his hard work and I was one of the first in the forum to congratulate him on it.

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Great observation, Ken. I was going to say the same when I read OAA's piece about Moses but I did not want to be caught in the web of untoward scrimmages. I also felt to be endowed in the field implies you have to be able to do more than just "write reasonable history essays with above average logic and write books to the same level he has committed no crime" as OAA boldly opined. about Moses. You said it well, in a few words Ken - far better than I could have in a thousand words. Thanks! MOA
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I thank the Almighty that where I’m writing from, and in my heart, the word is still free.

We may agree or disagree with St. Paul the Apostle who wrote in his letter to the Romans,

 “No One Is Righteous!”

But, we all agree that when it comes to the realpolitik in the real political arena  - with swords and daggers drawn ( which this Pan-African forum is from time to time) the values of freedom, justice and equality remain high and there’s no denying that being so far from attaining the utopia that’s dreamt of  ( because so many of even our most reasonable expectations are being constantly disappointed or dashed to the ground)  bitter or not so bitter, in equanimity,  in anger, in prejudice and bias,  in the spirit of bigotry and intolerance, in sorrow or philosophical calm, with scruples, without scruples, everybody, including our academics, artists, professors, acrimonious or not so acrimonious professional educators, commentators, historians, cosmic visionaries, freedom fighters, judges and justices, our pastors and our priests, our poets and our language freaks including those who believe that they speak better Greek than Jesus and Prophet Muhammad( S.A.W.)  all have an axe to grind.

There’s no denying that each and every one of us comes from his and her own cherished or not so cherished ethnic, cultural, social, musical, religious, privileged not so privileged, nourished or malnourished background.

We all agree that this forum/ platform is one of  “the holy places where the races meet” and that this forum is a microcosm  of a much bigger world of ideas, peoples, agreements, conflicts, differences and I should like to add that Islamophobia is a virulent current that occasionally runs wild or is permitted to run wild, when Islam is adduced as the raison d'etre of Boko Haram or as the guiding principle of the  Miyetti Allah Cattle Breeders Association of Nigeria, whenever Islam is invoked to justify  Islamic acts  or to justify unjust attacks on e.g. the Fulani Herdsmen. (Other religions are not mentioned in connection with the perpetrators of e.g. the Holocaust…

To the rescue: The principles outlined here as Netiquette

 


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​Thank you for your intervention, Professor Ogungbemi. The health of the President, subject to appropriate medical examination, can be discussed but cannot be criticized. Even someone who is a medical doctor by profession is guided by Hippocratic Oaths and, as such, cannot go public, without the consent of the patient, to discuss the patient's ailment. A person who is not a medical doctor cannot conduct medical examination on any person much less diagnosing one for illness. Only a quack doctor will do that and it is a criminal offence. Since it is a criminal offence for a quack doctor to diagnose Buhari a dementia, the responsibility to prosecute the quack doctor and the publisher of quack's fraudulent diagnosis on Buhari rests on the prosecuting agencies and not on Buhari himself. Buhari as the President cannot file a suit for libel in any court of law in Nigeria unless he first relinquishes his immunity.
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in the states, here, it has been customary for presidents or candidates to share their medical reports. we alsohave a history of muchbeing hidden from the public, from fdr to kennedy and now to trump. does the public have the right to this information? probably so. why not?
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