TW5 vs Dokuwiki

[Marcel Kaczala]

I've been using in the last months the Dokuwiki. I recently met the TW5 and I was impressed with the speed and simplicity. I exchanged some tweets with Jeremy on features and I've been thinking about changing for TW5 definitely. But still have some questions:

1) The Jeremy told me that versioning history is not part of the core TW5. I use in Dokuwiki with frequency and works wonderfully. Does it come as a plugin then?

2) How is the performance even after the file accumulating too much content?

3) What people are wondering TW5 vs Dokuwiki?

[interglossa]

There has been some talk about this on twitter.  The problem with Dokuwiki is that it requires an http server - there are minimalist solutions for this but it is a requirement. 

Dokuwiki is especially useful for legacy content where it is not feasible to convert it to Markdown etc.  It would be nice if there were a Google Drive option for Dokuwiki but I think you would have to run your own server or have an Amazon ec2 account.  You could also try the Firefox 'Browser Server' (httpd emulation in a firefox session) or something similar, but I don't know how well it would work or the security issues involved.

[Marcel Kaczala]

There is Dokustick in which one can run from inside local Dropbox.

[Rahul Kashyap]

I love TW5, it changes the way to think about information.

However, I would also love to see in-page search and TOC and version control in TW5. I'm sure people might be working on it or, already out there but, I couldn't find.

-Rahul

[Dave]

For in page search, can't you just press ctrl-f and start typing your search term?

Re TOC, put this in a tiddler:

<div class="tc-table-of-contents">

<<toc-selective-expandable 'TableOfContents'>>

</div>

 and tag it $:/tags/SideBar 

and anything tagged TableOfContents will appear there.

[Rahul Kashyap]

Hi Dave,

I use the tiddly desktop for auto-backup where the search within a page with ctrl+f doesn't work. 

I use the TOC feature that you described. It serves most of my purpose but, I think sometimes I feel the need for in-page navigation esp. for big pages using links for sections within a page. I use tags and list all child tiddlers in the head tiddler which works sufficiently well. I do accept that TiddlyWiki has a different philosophy of arranging the information in the smallest piece of information tidbits but, having in-page links and navigation doesn't go against that philosophy but, maybe against some core design issue. 

Best,

-Rahul

[TonyM]

Rahul,

I belive tiddlywiki can do anything you want. Search tiddlywiki.com for toc and read what you find. Perhaps the toc tabbed internal is partway to what you are looking for.

Regards
Tony

[Arlen Beiler]

I'll second this. I think it would be useful to have some type of information on the headings in a tiddler.

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[Rahul Kashyap]

Thanks, Tony.

Yes, that's what I'm using for now. It requires you to have separate tiddler for each of those tabs though. 

-Rahul

[Thomas Elmiger]

It should be easy to build a search limited to tiddlers in the story list. This would not cover transcluded text though like browser searching does.

Cheers,
Thomas

[Mark S.]

I think the in-page search issue is more about TiddlyDesktop than about TiddlyWiki. I believe both Bob and TiddlyServer and file-backup all offer file backup options.

Everyone does realize this is a 5 year old thread, right?

-- Mark

[Rahul Kashyap]

Thanks, Mark. 

I didn't mean to open old thread for spamming but, I started using TW5 for a year and a half and had hit upon this thread regarding one of my queries. I must say it's threads like these which helped me most with TW5. 

I'm an academic researcher and I think TW5 could be modified to make something truly remarkable for organizing research in basic sciences esp. when you think about incorporating hand-written notes (in TW5 image which is already half-way there) and Latex for equations. I also use Latex equation using double $$ but, this could also be improved by providing a key or, a shortcut for doing that. 

I introduced this to many people and all of them got addicted except one who left it because he wanted in page links and navigation which is useful anyway. 

There should be a beginner's way into tiddly wiki without converting to its philosophy completely. Later, when one realizes the benefits, one can modify the usage of the same tiddlywiki that one had for say, 10 years

-Rahul

[TonyM]

Rahul,

You can get tiddler based, version control, in a few ways, the quickest may be a noteself version of tiddlywiki.

in page links and navigation is in many ways already possible. Perhaps start a new thread, and post a clearer definition of your requirements.

Regards

Tony