Begging is not allowed in Denmark.
Now some hostels all over Denmark has made an agreement, that the homeless paper sellers can be housed there for free for now. (Free for the homeless that is, the homeless paper is paying, the hostels lowering their prices.
A lot of other things going on as well. For now the most important thing is to give them at chance to get off the streets and have a place to stay.
This may be the what has happened to public health in Sweden however I don't thing you can draw the conclusions you do especialy when you look at other countries, England has a cost effective public system as does Australia which has the lowest prescription prices in the developed world because for pharmaceuticals to get on the list of subsidised medicines they are open to competition and reasonableness. In America the mostly private system is the most expensive on earth with the least access.
When a public service institution fails it needs better management, and perhaps some incentives, not the addition of parties who take money out of the system as profit. Private organisations fail as well and they are not immune from inefficentcies even with the profit motive which tends to first reduce overheads then moves onto quality reduction, unless they increase costs to the ill. As costs increase people loose access and the real costs go unmeasured, no wonder private health can look good on the balance sheet as they rent seek from government and externalise costs.
Having worked in the public service here I learned the greatest costs in the public service is public demand for accountability and political interference including changing the name and logos each election.
What you say maybe true for Sweeden but I do not think it is a rule.
Regards
Tony
Having worked in the public service here I learned the greatest costs in the public service is public demand for accountability and political interference including changing the name and logos each election.
Regards
Tony
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To everyone else: Scandinavians are kind of brothers and sisters, but always competing. It is absolutely friendly.
To the rest of your explanation in the other thread. I agree to most of what you are writing.
Now that explains a lot, you know us ;-)
They are sure good for that kind of job, but I am not as happy to see apps and video chat taking over the care for old people. Naming something local or closeness in health really does not do it.
@ Mohammad: @TiddlyTweeterYou might find this an interesting comparison of the global curves
(1) give up smoking
(2) improve breathing capacity E.g.https://www.amazon.com/Breathing-Book-Vitality-Through-Essential/dp/0805042970
You might find this an interesting comparison of the global curves
SVG Icons for using in TiddlywikiSet of icons including high quality svg called stay at homecan be used in you wiki if you are preparing anything regarding current pandemic.--Mohammad
I'm reminded of why I've never been fond of emoticons as a substitute for words. What is this:Please put the dishes in the dishwasher?
These can be used for preparing instructions and like that!--Mohammad
TT,You ask Mohammad an impossible question.
TT,Pressure!
People discussing heavily on facebook and writing blogs. Some have good ideas and are working together to find ways to do stuff. Press get interested, politicians feel the heat. We have heard quite some public excuses now, and at least some ideas are been taken up and going forward.For a minister to have to admit, that the lack is due to them not answering to offers given on providing, that sure must take something.A lot of people want to help out one or the other way. Really kind of the same old fashioned way our society was build.
- can we look after the ill AND not have lockdown for the whole society?
- what are the consequences of lock-down economically?
- given that the virus will "wave" after lockdown repeatedly do you think it is viable to lockdown repeatedly?
- can we look after the ill AND not have lockdown for the whole society?
- what are the consequences of lock-down economically?
- given that the virus will "wave" after lockdown repeatedly do you think it is viable to lockdown repeatedly?
TT
Mi parolas Esperanton malbone!Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton?
Mi ne, mi ne parolas Esperanton, sed Google Translate faras : P
For now we need to operate under the classic socialist model for a time, "from each as to their capacity, to each according to their need" even although the ideological capitalists in our midst will hate this. It is hardly time to exploit ones wealth and assets, when if you act as normal your actions will cause permanent damage to the economy and society, and once again greed may dominate, when non-selfish actions will reduce the damage in everyone's interest.
Do you really think so. Maybe in Australia? Look at who are getting the support and more importantly who are not.
Then think some years back to the last economic crisis. Who got the help and who were left behind.
I would not exactly call it a socialist model.
From year 20 it goes downward faster and faster the older we get. If you live to get old you are called weak, just because you did not die young?
Yesterday we were told that we should really be tracked via mobile data.
That
thought are not well received in the population.
The comments are harsh or even worse, very sarcastic and black humoured.
They will certainly know where people are at any time. The homeworkers can make nice curves and tables, statistics and all that jazz. They will not know who are infected though, because that are not tested before people are entering hospital, and the hospitals stay where they were yesterday and the day before.
I wonder will I be listed as a criminal for not owning a mobile?
Birthe
I wonder will I be listed as a criminal for not owning a mobile?
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A sure way of spreading the virus faster.
(The following is sarcasm). Just raise the price for intensive care and there will be beds and staff enough.
You are right about the younger ones. A lot of them need intensive care to survive.
Everywhere some people are living in denial, but really we are able to find estimates for each country. (Not testing enough, most will be based on "guesstimates".)
TT.
- can we look after the ill AND not have lockdown for the whole society?Sure. Right now when the system gets overwhelmed we deselect the old and sick. With less and less health workers surviving, you would of course have to deselect more and more groups from getting treatment. (Resulting in many more death)Would you be able to find any more volunteers to do the treatments?
- what are the consequences of lock-down economically?Higher than we know I am sure. Leaving every country with a hefty depth, peoples savings have vanished and the pension savings will have lost in value.
- given that the virus will "wave" after lockdown repeatedly do you think it is viable to lockdown repeatedly?Hm. Not having lock down does not mean that people have the money or demands for the same products.Not knowing if the hairdresser is infectious, would you go for a blond treatment, having the highlighted stripes, the hair extension and some tan. It might be a "beauty to die for"
I believe people are thinking medicine/healthcare system will "fix" them if they get it-- I may be wrong but all they can do for you is supportive care-- there's no "fix" for Covid19 yet?
Interesting argument that the term should be physical distancing,Not social distancing. Detailed in attached PDF
Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together socially not physically as is a phone or Skype call. It is these social closeness activities that will help us deal with this crisis even if it occurs at a physical distance. We need to all come together apart.
Tony
Yesterday we were told that we should really be tracked via mobile data.
That thought are not well received in the population.
I wonder will I be listed as a criminal for not owning a mobile?
I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and physical distancing is what is needed.Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together socially not physically as is a phone or Skype call. It is these social closeness activities that will help us deal with this crisis even if it occurs at a physical distance. We need to all come together apart.
I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and physical distancing is what is needed.Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together socially not physically as is a phone or Skype call.
TonyM wrote:Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together socially not physically
In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
Exactly. But people who die at home will not be tested. They do not get registered as Corona death, so much for statistics.
"people round here live from paycheck to paycheck"
"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."
In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
Birthe
Birthe,In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?Is this really happening not to call emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue ? This would be stupid, although one could imagine if the health system is overwhelmed. The percentage of people once infected that, have poor outcomes is low, so for many it will not be a problem, they just need to be quarantined.
Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?
In Tracking mobile phones; If you are Quarantined with the virus and a temporary law says you must be quarantined and you are wandering around the streets putting others at risk it would make sense to detect your activities. But of course the problem is the misuse of the technology now or in the future. With any surveillance issue it often comes down to the execution and supportive laws, unfortunately future governments can change the laws
Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?Brilliant idea.
Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
@TTCapacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.Just like Italy, America-- nor any other country I believe (I'm interested to see if Germany's bed capafcity is enough)
Despite what everyone thinks, America does have medical care for non-insured ...
"people round here live from paycheck to paycheck"
"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."
Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.