TW5 - For me the Start to Building a Bigger Audience for TW5 Starts with Saying TW5 is a Platform not just an ''App'

[RichShumaker]

Is this what you think?

Is TW5 a platform to you or just an app?

I look at other apps like Evernote, Twitter, Snapchat, Google Keep and I know what they are.

I look at TW5 and it doesn't look like other apps, it looks more like a system to build things with.

Thanks everyone for all the help you guys have provided me over the years.

Rich Shumaker

[Danielo Rodríguez]

I said that several times.
For me tiddlywiky it's a framework. In fact, Noteself it's an app that I'm building using tiddlywiky as the base framework.

Regards

[RichShumaker]

Thanks Danielo and thanks for Noteself it looks pretty awesome.

Rich Shumaker

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Danielo

What do you mean by “framework” vs. “platform” here? There’s a good deal of disagreement as to the precise meaning of both terms.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Rich

Is this what you think?

Is TW5 a platform to you or just an app?

I look at other apps like Evernote, Twitter, Snapchat, Google Keep and I know what they are.

I look at TW5 and it doesn't look like other apps, it looks more like a system to build things with.

Personally, I think TW5 is both: it’s an app that you can use out of the box, and as you learn more you can customise it, and eventually build your own things with it.

I call things like TiddlyWiki  “generative apps”: they can be used to build things that the original designer did not foresee. The other classic example would be Excel.

Best wishes

Jeremy

Thanks everyone for all the help you guys have provided me over the years.

Rich Shumaker

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[Josiah]

Ciao Jeremy, Richard & Danielo

From my more naive point of view ... TW is ...

(Bricoleur Level)

Approximation 1 - something I found on the internet that lets me keep notes

Approximation 2 - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me keep notes and (b) lets me change the way I keep my notes

Approximation 3 - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me keep notes and (b) lets me change the way I keep my notes and (c) provides a way publish my notes

Approximation 4 - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me keep notes and (b) lets me change the way I keep my notes and (c) provides a way publish my notes and (d) a way to alter the ways notes are published

Approximation 5 - ???

The bricoleur route seems infinite :-).

One of the interesting things for me right now is as much about content as process. For instance, for the PURPOSE of e-pubs I might re-write the above ...

(Reader Level)

Approximation 1a - something I found on the internet that lets me read a book

Approximation 2a - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me read a book and (b) add my notes and bookmarks to it.

Approximation 3a - (a) something I found on the internet that lets me read a book and (b) add my notes and bookmarks to it and (c) publish those notes & bookmarks.

In other words, there is a FORKING of the road between more end product/aims defined purposes (more de-limited) and open-ended exploration.

Its very difficult to tell, because TW does not track it, what the balance of simple usage to ongoing bricolage is.

Obviously both are good. But they do differ. I simply do not believe everyone is a tinker who benefits from TW.

Platform or App. I think user aims and content types cross cut this discussion somewhere.

I hope this is vaguely relevant.

Best wishes
Josiah 

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El sábado, 7 de enero de 2017, 11:10:20 (UTC+1), Jeremy Ruston escribió:

Hi Danielo

What do you mean by “framework” vs. “platform” here? There’s a good deal of disagreement as to the precise meaning of both terms.

To be honest, I am not familiar with the cause of disagreement.

For me it is a framework because it provides to me a set of methods and ways to create things that otherwise I would be forced to implement myself. It is a framework and not just a library because it allows me to create a complete application without any external dependency and has a naive way of how things should be done: plugins, macros, startup modules.... surely it is flexible and open, but it is naive, like any other framework is.

You can also understand it as a platform because it does things that a regular framework usually is not able to: it can bundle node-modules, it can generate static html files which has nothing to do with what a framework usually does, it can serve as a backend which any framework usually does....