[First Project] On Christian Doctrine by Augustine of Hippo
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Orion Armstrong
Jul 20, 2026, 2:19:18 PM (2 days ago) Jul 20
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Hello all! I found out about Standard Ebooks recently and would love to contribute! I've got my eye on Augustine's On Christian Doctrine, but I'm struggling to find usable page scans of the same translation as the Wikisource text linked on the wanted ebooks page.
The text linked is the J. F. Shaw translation:
I found this PDF with a print layout of the same text, but it's missing a copyright page:
And the Internet Archive has scans of an 1873 edition translated by S. D. Salmond:
I'd appreciate guidance on what to do next!
Thanks,
Orion
Alex Cabal
Jul 20, 2026, 2:44:57 PM (2 days ago) Jul 20
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Here are the scans:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Select_Library_of_the_Nicene_and_Post/tzwwAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22nicene+fathers%22+%22Shaw%22&pg=PA513&printsec=frontcover
This book would be a good start.
This book is short but the complications are in the structure.
There is frontmatter so you'll have to add a half title page.
I would keep all of the intro, "contents" (which is really a useful
summary), and preface.
Then, remove paragraph numbers across the whole book. Since the "books"
are very short, each one can be a single file with sub <section>s for
"chapters". However remove the word "chapter" and just leave the roman
numeral. You can see something similar in the recent Analects:
https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/confucius/analects/james-legge
There are a handful of endnotes, so pull those out into an endnotes
file. We also expand shortened bible refs and modernize them, e.g. `Cor.
i. 21.` -> `Corinthians 1:21`
Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:
https://standardebooks.org/manual
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
The step by step guide will take you from start to finish. Please follow
it exactly:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks
Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.
When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
that I can assign you a manager and reviewer.
Have fun! :)
On 7/20/26 1:18 PM, Orion Armstrong wrote:
> Hello all! I found out about Standard Ebooks recently and would love to
> contribute! I've got my eye on Augustine's /On Christian Doctrine, /but
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https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Select_Library_of_the_Nicene_and_Post/tzwwAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22nicene+fathers%22+%22Shaw%22&pg=PA513&printsec=frontcover
This book would be a good start.
This book is short but the complications are in the structure.
There is frontmatter so you'll have to add a half title page.
I would keep all of the intro, "contents" (which is really a useful
summary), and preface.
Then, remove paragraph numbers across the whole book. Since the "books"
are very short, each one can be a single file with sub <section>s for
"chapters". However remove the word "chapter" and just leave the roman
numeral. You can see something similar in the recent Analects:
https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/confucius/analects/james-legge
There are a handful of endnotes, so pull those out into an endnotes
file. We also expand shortened bible refs and modernize them, e.g. `Cor.
i. 21.` -> `Corinthians 1:21`
Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:
https://standardebooks.org/manual
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
The step by step guide will take you from start to finish. Please follow
it exactly:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks
Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.
When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
that I can assign you a manager and reviewer.
Have fun! :)
On 7/20/26 1:18 PM, Orion Armstrong wrote:
> Hello all! I found out about Standard Ebooks recently and would love to
> I'm struggling to find usable page scans of the same translation as the
> Wikisource text linked on the wanted ebooks page.
>
> The text linked is the J. F. Shaw translation:
> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/
> Volume_II/On_Christian_Doctrine
> I found this PDF with a print layout of the same text, but it's missing
> a copyright page:
> https://wolfmueller.co/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Augustine-on-
> Christian-Doctrine.pdf
> And the Internet Archive has scans of an 1873 edition translated by S.
> D. Salmond:
> https://archive.org/details/onchristiandoctr00augu/page/n11/mode/2up
>
> I'd appreciate guidance on what to do next!
>
> Thanks,
> Orion
>
> --
> Wikisource text linked on the wanted ebooks page.
>
> The text linked is the J. F. Shaw translation:
> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/
> Volume_II/On_Christian_Doctrine
> I found this PDF with a print layout of the same text, but it's missing
> a copyright page:
> https://wolfmueller.co/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Augustine-on-
> Christian-Doctrine.pdf
> And the Internet Archive has scans of an 1873 edition translated by S.
> D. Salmond:
> https://archive.org/details/onchristiandoctr00augu/page/n11/mode/2up
>
> I'd appreciate guidance on what to do next!
>
> Thanks,
> Orion
>
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Orion Armstrong
Jul 21, 2026, 5:21:38 PM (14 hours ago) Jul 21
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Hi! I made the repository here: https://github.com/orionsarmstrong-code/augustine-of-hippo_on-christian-doctrine_j-f-shaw
This is an empty book, though. The instructions assume a Project Gutenberg source file, but this book is sourced from Wikisource. I tried downloading the .epub from Wikisource and adding that with wget using the file path, but I get a "scheme missing" error. What's the protocol here?
Thanks!
Orion
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Alex Cabal
Jul 21, 2026, 5:23:14 PM (14 hours ago) Jul 21
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You'll have to copy the html in by hand from Wikisource and then proceed
as usual.
Lukas will manage this project with Emma reviewing.
On 7/21/26 4:21 PM, Orion Armstrong wrote:
> Hi! I made the repository here: https://github.com/orionsarmstrong-code/
> augustine-of-hippo_on-christian-doctrine_j-f-shaw <https://github.com/
> orionsarmstrong-code/augustine-of-hippo_on-christian-doctrine_j-f-shaw>
>> edition/A_Select_Library_of_the_Nicene_and_Post/tzwwAAAAYAAJ?
>> hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22nicene+fathers%22+
>> %22Shaw%22&pg=PA513&printsec=frontcover>
>> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-
>> patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
>> structural-patterns>
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <https://
>> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>
>> contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks>
>>> Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/> Volume_II/
>>> On_Christian_Doctrine
>>> <mailto:standardebook...@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:standardebooks%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>>.
>>> c908-4e83-b6b1-aba6065631c9n%40googlegroups.com
>>> <http://40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
>>> standardebooks/0226ba8c-c908-4e83- <https://groups.google.com/d/
>>> msgid/standardebooks/0226ba8c-c908-4e83-> b6b1-
>>> aba6065631c9n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer
>>> <http://40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>>.
>> f61415852de0%40standardebooks.org <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
>> standardebooks/fcaaace2-5204-4af2-aa40-f61415852de0%40standardebooks.org>.
> fhJegzzLF4VA%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
> standardebooks/CAOE7i907x_tvR0k7pe1QyonVZO41tkL8BOa-F-
> fhJegzzLF4VA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
as usual.
Lukas will manage this project with Emma reviewing.
On 7/21/26 4:21 PM, Orion Armstrong wrote:
> Hi! I made the repository here: https://github.com/orionsarmstrong-code/
> orionsarmstrong-code/augustine-of-hippo_on-christian-doctrine_j-f-shaw>
>
> This is an empty book, though. The instructions assume a Project
> Gutenberg source file, but this book is sourced from Wikisource. I tried
> downloading the .epub from Wikisource and adding that with wget using
> the file path, but I get a "scheme missing" error. What's the protocol here?
>
> Thanks!
> Orion
>
>> On Jul 20, 2026, at 11:44 AM, 'Alex Cabal' via Standard Ebooks
>> <standar...@googlegroups.com
> This is an empty book, though. The instructions assume a Project
> Gutenberg source file, but this book is sourced from Wikisource. I tried
> downloading the .epub from Wikisource and adding that with wget using
> the file path, but I get a "scheme missing" error. What's the protocol here?
>
> Thanks!
> Orion
>
>> On Jul 20, 2026, at 11:44 AM, 'Alex Cabal' via Standard Ebooks
>> <standar...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:standar...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Here are the scans: https://www.google.com/books/edition/
>> A_Select_Library_of_the_Nicene_and_Post/tzwwAAAAYAAJ?
>> hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22nicene+fathers%22+
>> %22Shaw%22&pg=PA513&printsec=frontcover <https://www.google.com/books/
>>
>> Here are the scans: https://www.google.com/books/edition/
>> A_Select_Library_of_the_Nicene_and_Post/tzwwAAAAYAAJ?
>> hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22nicene+fathers%22+
>> edition/A_Select_Library_of_the_Nicene_and_Post/tzwwAAAAYAAJ?
>> hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22nicene+fathers%22+
>> %22Shaw%22&pg=PA513&printsec=frontcover>
>>
>> This book would be a good start.
>>
>> This book is short but the complications are in the structure.
>>
>> There is frontmatter so you'll have to add a half title page.
>>
>> I would keep all of the intro, "contents" (which is really a useful
>> summary), and preface.
>>
>> Then, remove paragraph numbers across the whole book. Since the
>> "books" are very short, each one can be a single file with sub
>> <section>s for "chapters". However remove the word "chapter" and just
>> leave the roman numeral. You can see something similar in the recent
>> Analects: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/confucius/analects/james-
>> legge <https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/confucius/analects/james-legge>
>> This book would be a good start.
>>
>> This book is short but the complications are in the structure.
>>
>> There is frontmatter so you'll have to add a half title page.
>>
>> I would keep all of the intro, "contents" (which is really a useful
>> summary), and preface.
>>
>> Then, remove paragraph numbers across the whole book. Since the
>> "books" are very short, each one can be a single file with sub
>> <section>s for "chapters". However remove the word "chapter" and just
>> leave the roman numeral. You can see something similar in the recent
>> Analects: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/confucius/analects/james-
>>
>> There are a handful of endnotes, so pull those out into an endnotes
>> file. We also expand shortened bible refs and modernize them, e.g.
>> `Cor. i. 21.` -> `Corinthians 1:21`
>>
>> Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
>> as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
>> particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
>> and typography sections:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://standardebooks.org/manual>
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics <https://
>> There are a handful of endnotes, so pull those out into an endnotes
>> file. We also expand shortened bible refs and modernize them, e.g.
>> `Cor. i. 21.` -> `Corinthians 1:21`
>>
>> Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
>> as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
>> particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
>> and typography sections:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://standardebooks.org/manual>
>>
>> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-
>> patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
>> structural-patterns>
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <https://
>> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>
>>
>> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish. Please
>> follow it exactly:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
>> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step>
>>
>> This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-
>> working-on-public-domain-ebooks <https://standardebooks.org/
>> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish. Please
>> follow it exactly:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
>> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step>
>>
>> This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-
>> contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks>
>>
>> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
>> well-established so there is probably already a standard for
>> formatting whatever problem you've encountered.
>>
>> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
>> that I can assign you a manager and reviewer.
>>
>> Have fun! :)
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/26 1:18 PM, Orion Armstrong wrote:
>>> Hello all! I found out about Standard Ebooks recently and would love
>>> to contribute! I've got my eye on Augustine's /On Christian
>>> Doctrine, /but I'm struggling to find usable page scans of the same
>>> translation as the Wikisource text linked on the wanted ebooks page.
>>> The text linked is the J. F. Shaw translation:
>>> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-
>>> Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/ <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/
>> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
>> well-established so there is probably already a standard for
>> formatting whatever problem you've encountered.
>>
>> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
>> that I can assign you a manager and reviewer.
>>
>> Have fun! :)
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/26 1:18 PM, Orion Armstrong wrote:
>>> Hello all! I found out about Standard Ebooks recently and would love
>>> to contribute! I've got my eye on Augustine's /On Christian
>>> Doctrine, /but I'm struggling to find usable page scans of the same
>>> translation as the Wikisource text linked on the wanted ebooks page.
>>> The text linked is the J. F. Shaw translation:
>>> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nicene_and_Post-
>>> Nicene_and_Post-Nicene_Fathers:_Series_I/> Volume_II/
>>> On_Christian_Doctrine
>>> I found this PDF with a print layout of the same text, but it's
>>> missing a copyright page:
>>> https://wolfmueller.co/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Augustine-on-
>>> <https://wolfmueller.co/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Augustine-on->
>>> Christian-Doctrine.pdf
>>> And the Internet Archive has scans of an 1873 edition translated by
>>> S. D. Salmond:
>>> https://archive.org/details/onchristiandoctr00augu/page/n11/mode/2up
>>> <https://archive.org/details/onchristiandoctr00augu/page/n11/mode/2up>
>>> I'd appreciate guidance on what to do next!
>>> Thanks,
>>> Orion
>>> --
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>>> missing a copyright page:
>>> https://wolfmueller.co/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Augustine-on-
>>> <https://wolfmueller.co/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Augustine-on->
>>> Christian-Doctrine.pdf
>>> And the Internet Archive has scans of an 1873 edition translated by
>>> S. D. Salmond:
>>> https://archive.org/details/onchristiandoctr00augu/page/n11/mode/2up
>>> <https://archive.org/details/onchristiandoctr00augu/page/n11/mode/2up>
>>> I'd appreciate guidance on what to do next!
>>> Thanks,
>>> Orion
>>> --
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Lukas Bystricky
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Hi Orion,
Re Wikisource, a few weeks ago Weijia posted this:
"In my experience, the best way to work with texts from Wikisource is to download the book as an HTML file ("Download" -> "Looking for a different format?"). I then like to use pandoc to convert the HTML to Markdown format (this simplifies the Wikisource formatting which can get unneccesarily complicated) and then clean up the Markdown before backconverting to HTML with pandoc. There is an example of this workflow in There Is Confusion."
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