[First Project] The Red Thumb Mark
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Sean Perkins
Oct 8, 2025, 11:36:47 AMOct 8
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It's in the wanted list so I thought I'd try. 73k words.
Sean Perkins
Oct 8, 2025, 12:07:53 PMOct 8
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the directions say to Remove the header markup and the code snippet starts with the first <h2> tag. Do I cut everything out up to the first <h2> or do I keep any of it, the code is:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
</head>
<body><div/>
<h1>THE RED THUMB MARK</h1>
<p> </p>
<h2>BY R. AUSTIN FREEMAN</h2>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<div class="pg_body_wrapper"><a id="PRF"><!-- PRF --></a></div>
<h2>
PREFACE
</h2>
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
</head>
<body><div/>
<h1>THE RED THUMB MARK</h1>
<p> </p>
<h2>BY R. AUSTIN FREEMAN</h2>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<div class="pg_body_wrapper"><a id="PRF"><!-- PRF --></a></div>
<h2>
PREFACE
</h2>
and the ending looks like:
THE END
</p>
<p> </p>
<div/></body>
</html>
</p>
<p> </p>
<div/></body>
</html>
do I get rid of any of that?
thanks
Alex Cabal
Oct 8, 2025, 3:29:09 PMOct 8
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Great, that one would be a good start.
Since you have a preface you will have to add a half title page. Make
sure to include the collection metadata - see the manual for how to do
that. Otherwise this should be pretty straightforward.
Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:
https://standardebooks.org/manual
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks
Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.
When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
that I can mark you as having started.
Have fun! :)
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Since you have a preface you will have to add a half title page. Make
sure to include the collection metadata - see the manual for how to do
that. Otherwise this should be pretty straightforward.
Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:
https://standardebooks.org/manual
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks
Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.
When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
that I can mark you as having started.
Have fun! :)
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Sean Perkins
Oct 9, 2025, 1:30:59 PMOct 9
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Is this a half title page?
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
xmlns:epub="http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops"
epub:prefix="z3998: http://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/structure/, se: https://standardebooks.org/vocab/1.0"
xml:lang="en">
<head>
<title>The Red Thumb Mark</title>
<link href="../css/core.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<link href="../css/local.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
</head>
<body epub:type="frontmatter">
<section id="halftitlepage" epub:type="halftitlepage">
<hgroup epub:type="fulltitle">
<h2 epub:type="title">The Red Thumb Mark</h2>
</hgroup>
</section>
</body>
</html>
xmlns:epub="http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops"
epub:prefix="z3998: http://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/structure/, se: https://standardebooks.org/vocab/1.0"
xml:lang="en">
<head>
<title>The Red Thumb Mark</title>
<link href="../css/core.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<link href="../css/local.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
</head>
<body epub:type="frontmatter">
<section id="halftitlepage" epub:type="halftitlepage">
<hgroup epub:type="fulltitle">
<h2 epub:type="title">The Red Thumb Mark</h2>
</hgroup>
</section>
</body>
</html>
Alex Cabal
Oct 9, 2025, 2:17:53 PMOct 9
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Please send a link to your repo so we can start your project and assign
you a manager and reviewer. Thanks!
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>
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> patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
> structural-patterns>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>
> by-step>
> contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks>
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you a manager and reviewer. Thanks!
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>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-
> patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
> structural-patterns>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>
>
> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-
> step <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-
> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-
> by-step>
>
> This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-
> working-on-public-domain-ebooks <https://standardebooks.org/
> This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-
> contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks>
>
> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
> well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
> whatever problem you've encountered.
>
> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
> that I can mark you as having started.
>
> Have fun! :)
>
>
> On 10/8/25 10:36 AM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> > It's in the wanted list so I thought I'd try. 73k words.
> > scan: https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> mode/2up>
> > <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
> well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
> whatever problem you've encountered.
>
> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
> that I can mark you as having started.
>
> Have fun! :)
>
>
> On 10/8/25 10:36 AM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> > It's in the wanted list so I thought I'd try. 73k words.
> > scan: https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> mode/2up>
> mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> mode/2up>>
> >
> > Gutenberg:https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-
> images.html <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-
> images.html>
> > <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-images.html
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Sean Perkins
Oct 10, 2025, 1:52:29 PMOct 10
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Alex Cabal
Oct 10, 2025, 5:33:00 PMOct 10
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OK, Vince will manage this with Lukas reviewing.
Vince can you address his question below?
On 10/10/25 12:52 PM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> repo:https://github.com/rolomoto/r-austin-freeman_the-red-thumb-mark
> > xmlns:epub="http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops <http://
> www.idpf.org/2007/ops>"
> > epub:prefix="z3998: http://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/
> structure/ <http://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/structure/>,
> > se: https://standardebooks.org/vocab/1.0 <https://
> standardebooks.org/vocab/1.0>"
> manual> <https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>>
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-
> > standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <http://
> > step <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-
> step- <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step->
> > contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-
> > mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/
> n5/ <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/>
> > mode/2up>
> > > <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/>
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Vince can you address his question below?
On 10/10/25 12:52 PM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> repo:https://github.com/rolomoto/r-austin-freeman_the-red-thumb-mark
> <https://github.com/rolomoto/r-austin-freeman_the-red-thumb-mark>
>
> On Thursday, October 9, 2025 at 2:17:53 PM UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Please send a link to your repo so we can start your project and assign
> you a manager and reviewer. Thanks!
>
> On 10/9/25 12:30 PM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> > Is this a half title page?
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> > <!DOCTYPE html>
> > <html
> > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml>"
>
> On Thursday, October 9, 2025 at 2:17:53 PM UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Please send a link to your repo so we can start your project and assign
> you a manager and reviewer. Thanks!
>
> On 10/9/25 12:30 PM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> > Is this a half title page?
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> > <!DOCTYPE html>
> > <html
> > xmlns:epub="http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops <http://
> www.idpf.org/2007/ops>"
> > epub:prefix="z3998: http://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/
> structure/ <http://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/structure/>,
> > se: https://standardebooks.org/vocab/1.0 <https://
> standardebooks.org/vocab/1.0>"
> standardebooks.org/manual>>
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics> <https://
> > standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics <http://
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics> <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>>
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural->
> > patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level->
> > structural-patterns>
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography> <https://
> > patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level->
> > structural-patterns>
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <https://
> > standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <http://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>>
> >
> > The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-
> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by->
> >
> > The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-
> > step <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-
> step- <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step->
> > by-step>
> >
> > This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-
> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when->
> > working-on-public-domain-ebooks <https://standardebooks.org/
> <https://standardebooks.org/>
> >
> > This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
> >
> > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-
> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when->
> > working-on-public-domain-ebooks <https://standardebooks.org/
> > contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-
> ebooks>
> >
> > Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our
> standards are
> > well-established so there is probably already a standard for
> formatting
> > whatever problem you've encountered.
> >
> > When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github
> repository so
> > that I can mark you as having started.
> >
> > Have fun! :)
> >
> >
> > On 10/8/25 10:36 AM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> > > It's in the wanted list so I thought I'd try. 73k words.
> > > scan: https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/>
> >
> > Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our
> standards are
> > well-established so there is probably already a standard for
> formatting
> > whatever problem you've encountered.
> >
> > When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github
> repository so
> > that I can mark you as having started.
> >
> > Have fun! :)
> >
> >
> > On 10/8/25 10:36 AM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> > > It's in the wanted list so I thought I'd try. 73k words.
> > > scan: https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> > mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/
> n5/ <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/>
> > mode/2up>
> > > <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/
> <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/>
> > mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/
> n5/ <https://archive.org/details/redthumbmark00free_0/page/n5/>
> > mode/2up>>
> > >
> > > Gutenberg:https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128->
> > images.html <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128->
> > images.html>
> > > <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-images.html
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-images.html>
> > <https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11128/pg11128-images.html
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I’m not sure what the question is. That’s not one of our half title pages. As always, SEMoS is the place to look—SEMoS 6.5 has the details on the halftitlepage.
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I made a mistake, I think I corrected it.
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In taking a glance at your repository, the two commits do not follow our Step by Step guide. For the first few productions, and especially the first one, it is important to follow the Step by Step guide as closely as possible. This helps you get to know the tools and the process, and helps your reviewers easily see that all of the proper commits are in the proper places and contain the proper changes.
Since there are currently only two commits, I would suggest starting over.
Since there are currently only two commits, I would suggest starting over.
Sean Perkins
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I did it all over and the repo with inital commit is at:https://github.com/rolomoto/r-austin-freeman_the-red-thumb-mark
Vince
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Looks better. Per the same step 6 in the Step by Step Guide, there is still some header/footer markup in body.xhtml that should be removed: the <?xml at the beginning, and the <div/></body></html> at the end. There shouldn't be any markup before or after the text, as split files will add the proper markup when it makes the individual chapter files.
Sean Perkins
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I cleaned up the body to remove the header and footer markup. I split the body cleaned up the preface and the chapter files. I made the second commit "Split files and clean."
Vince
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Looks fine, just keep following the Step by Step and you should be good.
Sean Perkins
Oct 14, 2025, 1:07:10 AMOct 14
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I must have left the "Add a README file" checked when I started the repo, should I start again from scratch in order that it doesn't appear?
Lukas Bystricky
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No, there's no need to do that. You can do a rebase and edit the initial commit to remove the file from there. If you need help with that please ask, but as far as rebases go that should be fairly straightforward.
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I did rebase and it's still there, I deleted the repo and I am starting over. I leave the add readme.md box set to off i.e. it's set to the left side although it doesn't say off but when i do the initial commit the option to add a readme is still there. I tried doing it with the add readme set on on i.e. the switch in the right side position but then there was no license. It appears from other se books that there is no readme option on the repo but how can I get it to not be there.
Sean Perkins
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I have a question about splitting a body with a preface and subsequent chapters.
se split-file src/epub/text/body.xhtml and mv chapter* src/epub/text/ will name the preface chapter 1 and chapter 1 will be named chapter 2 etc. Is there a way to split so that doesn't happen?
se split-file src/epub/text/body.xhtml and mv chapter* src/epub/text/ will name the preface chapter 1 and chapter 1 will be named chapter 2 etc. Is there a way to split so that doesn't happen?
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Remove the preface from the file before you run that command
>>> freeman_the-red-thumb-mark <https://github.com/
>>> rolomoto/r-austin-freeman_the-red-thumb-mark>
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>>> On Friday, October 10, 2025 at 5:50:51 PM UTC-4
>>> Vince wrote:
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>>> In taking a glance at your repository, the
>>> two commits do not follow our Step by Step
>>> guide. For the first few productions, and
>>> especially the first one, it is important to
>>> follow the Step by Step guide as closely as
>>> possible. This helps you get to know the
>>> tools and the process, and helps your
>>> reviewers easily see that all of the proper
>>> commits are in the proper places and contain
>>> the proper changes.
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>>> would suggest starting over.
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>>> Vince wrote:
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>>> In taking a glance at your repository, the
>>> two commits do not follow our Step by Step
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>>> follow the Step by Step guide as closely as
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>>> Since there are currently only two commits, I
>>> would suggest starting over.
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I'm using bbedit and all my paragraphs are in paragraph form but i notice that in se books each <p>...</p> is on one line? How is that achieved? I copy and paste a paragraph but it just formats like a regular paragraph and not on one line. E.g.
<p>
In writing the following story, the author has had in view no purpose
other than that of affording entertainment to such readers as are
interested in problems of crime and their solutions; and the story
itself differs in no respect from others of its class, excepting in that
an effort has been made to keep within the probabilities of ordinary
life, both in the characters and in the incidents.
</p>
In writing the following story, the author has had in view no purpose
other than that of affording entertainment to such readers as are
interested in problems of crime and their solutions; and the story
itself differs in no respect from others of its class, excepting in that
an effort has been made to keep within the probabilities of ordinary
life, both in the characters and in the incidents.
</p>
Weijia Cheng
Oct 14, 2025, 9:26:36 PMOct 14
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se clean puts each <p> element onto the same line (barring some exceptions). Are you following the step-by-step guide closely? You typically will not be editing the paragraphs until you've run se clean.
Sean Perkins
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There is a word 'Thumbograph' (within left and right single quotation marks). How should I handle that? With italicization or as a neologism without italics?
8.2.10.1
When introducing new terms, non-English or technical terms are italicized, but terms composed of common English are set in quotation marks.
When introducing new terms, non-English or technical terms are italicized, but terms composed of common English are set in quotation marks.
or
8.2.10.2
English neologisms in works where a special vocabulary is a regular part of the narrative are not italicized. For example science fiction works may necessarily contain made-up English technology words, and those are not italicized.
Vince
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It’s English, so either way it’s not italicized. The quotes are fine.
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Double quotes unless it's nested within dialogue
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> On Oct 16, 2025, at 8:23 PM, Sean Perkins <spur...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> the word fingerprint is spelled finger-print, should I change it? If so does that mean I should do a single editorial commit for that change?
You haven’t gotten to the modernize spelling step yet. Don’t worry about spelling until after that step; it will make a number of corrections, including that one.
>
> the word fingerprint is spelled finger-print, should I change it? If so does that mean I should do a single editorial commit for that change?
You haven’t gotten to the modernize spelling step yet. Don’t worry about spelling until after that step; it will make a number of corrections, including that one.
Sean Perkins
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I'm on step 14 adding semantics, am I right in assuming I have to read the whole book at this stage to find all the spots where semantics should be added? There are some tools in the guide but to get them all I don't see any other way.
Vince
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Not really. There will be the occasional ones that are only caught while proofreading, but most can be caught with a quick glance or search through the book. Most semantics not handled by semanticate are on blockquotes, italics, or initials, all of which are easy to search for.
Emma Sweeney
Oct 20, 2025, 12:02:45 AMOct 20
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`se lint .` can also help you find semantic issues.
Emma
David
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In addition to what Vince and Emma said, I also find that this regex helps in finding strings that need to be wrapped in `<abbr...>...</abbr>` with the appropriate semantic:
[A-Z]\.[ ]?[A-Z]\.
Finds things like "M.P." *or* "E. M."
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That was the “easy to search for” part. :)
Even a single initial needs to be tagged; I use the following. It has the occasional false positive for sentences ending in I., and the middle initial(s) for initialisms longer than two characters, but those aren’t that common.
(?<!>)[A-Z]\.(?!<)
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Oops - yeah! Perhaps I should have qualified that by adding: I always
run "singles", too... 😬 Doing "pairs" then "singles" works well in my
editor, since it lists all hits out nicely (doing singles first means
you get three hits for "W. E. B.", for example. (FWIW!)
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> That was the “easy to search for” part. :)
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> Even a single initial needs to be tagged; I use the following. It has the occasional false positive for sentences ending in I., and the middle initial(s) for initialisms longer than two characters, but those aren’t that common.
>
> (?<!>)[A-Z]\.(?!<)
>
run "singles", too... 😬 Doing "pairs" then "singles" works well in my
editor, since it lists all hits out nicely (doing singles first means
you get three hits for "W. E. B.", for example. (FWIW!)
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> That was the “easy to search for” part. :)
>
> Even a single initial needs to be tagged; I use the following. It has the occasional false positive for sentences ending in I., and the middle initial(s) for initialisms longer than two characters, but those aren’t that common.
>
> (?<!>)[A-Z]\.(?!<)
>
Sean Perkins
Oct 20, 2025, 4:42:43 PMOct 20
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Thanks for the tips!
Sean Perkins
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is this right or wrong to start a file with roman numerals and chapter titles?
<head>
<title>I: My Learned Brother</title>
<link href="../css/core.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<link href="../css/local.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
</head>
<section id="chapter-1" epub:type="chapter">
<hgroup>
<h2 epub:type="ordinal z3998:roman">I</h2>
<p epub:type="title">My Learned Brother</p>
</hgroup>
<p><i xml:lang="la">Conflagratam An° 1677.....
Sean Perkins
Oct 20, 2025, 10:21:51 PMOct 20
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times are expressed in the form hour.minute e.g. 7.3 apparently means 7:03 and 10.23 means 10:23
should I change these?
if so, would that be an editorial commit?
Vince
Oct 21, 2025, 12:20:57 AMOct 21
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The first question is answered in SEMoS 7.2.10, specifically 7.2.10.3; the second in SEMoS 8.11.3. As Alex’s instructions at the beginning of this thread indicated, familiarization with SEMoS is of great benefit, especially sections 7 and 8; it will answer the majority of (but not all) questions.
The yellow “Before you begin” box at the beginning of the Step by Step guide says:
In general, unless it’s covered in the typogrify checklist in step 9 of the Step by Step, assume that any changes to the source (scan) text are editorial, and, as the next paragraph in the yellow warning says, make them in their own commit. Then if the commit needs to be changed it can be.
Sean Perkins
Oct 21, 2025, 7:07:19 PMOct 21
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I finished step 15 modernize spelling and hyphenation but there are some 400+ other em dashes located inside sentences like:
<p>“I am afraid,” said the latter, with a glance at me and the dinner table, “that our visit—for which I am alone responsible—is a most unseasonable one...
Is there tool to deal with that or what should I do about it?
Vince
Oct 21, 2025, 7:15:33 PMOct 21
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Why would you need to “deal with that”? Those are normal; you don’t need to do anything with them.
Sean Perkins
Oct 27, 2025, 12:39:48 PM (9 days ago) Oct 27
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should the word thumb-mark have a hyphen? Modernize spelling left it in.
Vince
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Since it is in M-W (albeit the unabridged) as thumbmark, then no, it should not. Thanks for the report; I’ll submit a PR to add that to our words list.
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FWIW, I find it in the abridged version: MW
Vince
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Yes, that’s what I said.
Since it is in M-W (albeit the unabridged)
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Sean Perkins
Oct 29, 2025, 1:49:11 PM (7 days ago) Oct 29
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Would this be alright for art work? The story is about a young man accused of theft and there is a young lady who supports him.
Vince
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I don’t know if Alex cares about something as well known as a Munch, but if it’s OK you will need to find PD proof. See SEMoS 10.3.3.7.
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Munch is fine; it's not the artist's fame, but rather a particular
painting's fame. The Scream is a poor choice for just about any book
because it's such a cultural cliche. But we have plenty of other Munch
in the corpus.
On 10/29/25 1:45 PM, Vince wrote:
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> if it’s OK you will need to find PD proof. See SEMoS 10.3.3.7 <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-page#10.3.3.7>.
>> Would this <https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/separation/-
>> AFoDHxU1msdjw>be alright for art work? The story is about a young man
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painting's fame. The Scream is a poor choice for just about any book
because it's such a cultural cliche. But we have plenty of other Munch
in the corpus.
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> standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-page#10.3.3.7>.
>> Would this <https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/separation/-
>> AFoDHxU1msdjw>be alright for art work? The story is about a young man
>> accused of theft and there is a young lady who supports him.
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Great, thanks, Alex.
In addition to PD proof, Sean, you need to do a mockup of the cover. Because of the cover orientation, I think it’s going to be difficult to get both of those characters in the frame.
In addition to PD proof, Sean, you need to do a mockup of the cover. Because of the cover orientation, I think it’s going to be difficult to get both of those characters in the frame.
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Oct 30, 2025, 1:15:50 AM (7 days ago) Oct 30
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Vince
Oct 30, 2025, 1:37:50 AM (7 days ago) Oct 30
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Those are not the same work.
Before you spend too much more time looking for PD, I would again suggest you do a mockup. If both characters won’t fit in the frame, then PD proof won’t matter.
Sean Perkins
Oct 30, 2025, 1:51:11 AM (7 days ago) Oct 30
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What is a mockup?
Vince Rice
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How the cover will look on the book, with the title bar. I’m on a Mac, where the process is very simple; I don’t actually know how others do it. But you need a picture of how the end result will look, without committing the picture to the repository.
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What is a mockup?
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OK, then you just need PD proof.
On Oct 30, 2025, at 11:46 PM, Sean Perkins <spur...@gmail.com> wrote:
It totally cut her out but I think it works thematically with just him. It's about a man unjustly accused of stealing jewels and leaving behind a bloody thumb print.
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Alex Cabal
Oct 31, 2025, 2:37:46 PM (5 days ago) Oct 31
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It looks like those people are wearing 18th century clothes, this book
is set in the late 19th century
On 10/31/25 1:34 PM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> I can't find anything on Separation. How about this one, a court
> proceeding figures prominently in the book.
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 11:14:27 AM UTC-4 Vince Rice wrote:
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> OK, then you just need PD proof.
>
>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 11:46 PM, Sean Perkins <spur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It totally cut her out but I think it works thematically with
>> just him. It's about a man unjustly accused of stealing jewels and
>> leaving behind a bloody thumb print.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 9:31:38 AM UTC-4 Vince Rice wrote:
>>
>> How the cover will look on the book, with the title bar. I’m
>> on a Mac, where the process is very simple; I don’t actually
>> know how others do it. But you need a picture of how the end
>> result will look, /without/ committing the picture to the
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is set in the late 19th century
On 10/31/25 1:34 PM, Sean Perkins wrote:
> I can't find anything on Separation. How about this one, a court
> proceeding figures prominently in the book.
>
> On Friday, October 31, 2025 at 11:14:27 AM UTC-4 Vince Rice wrote:
>
> OK, then you just need PD proof.
>
>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 11:46 PM, Sean Perkins <spur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It totally cut her out but I think it works thematically with
>> just him. It's about a man unjustly accused of stealing jewels and
>> leaving behind a bloody thumb print.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 30, 2025 at 9:31:38 AM UTC-4 Vince Rice wrote:
>>
>> How the cover will look on the book, with the title bar. I’m
>> on a Mac, where the process is very simple; I don’t actually
>> know how others do it. But you need a picture of how the end
>> repository.
>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 12:51 AM, Sean Perkins
>>> <spur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is a mockup?
>>
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>>> On Oct 30, 2025, at 12:51 AM, Sean Perkins
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>>> What is a mockup?
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Vince
Oct 31, 2025, 6:26:44 PM (5 days ago) Oct 31
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I think either of those could work, although the first one doesn’t look like it’s happening in a courtroom. You just need PD proof for whichever one you choose.
Sean Perkins
Nov 1, 2025, 1:05:25 AM (5 days ago) Nov 1
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If a painting is marked with a CC0 license is that PD proof?
Lukas Bystricky
Nov 1, 2025, 3:07:14 AM (5 days ago) Nov 1
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Almost certainly, especially if it comes from one of our approved museums.
Sean Perkins
Nov 1, 2025, 11:13:35 AM (4 days ago) Nov 1
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the microscope painting is marked as PDM 1.0, is that accepatable?
Vince
Nov 1, 2025, 12:52:18 PM (4 days ago) Nov 1
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Sean Perkins
Nov 2, 2025, 1:02:30 PM (3 days ago) Nov 2
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the original cover with PD
Vince
Nov 2, 2025, 2:04:31 PM (3 days ago) Nov 2
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Sean Perkins
Nov 2, 2025, 4:43:26 PM (3 days ago) Nov 2
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It's abstract by with red hands and presumably red thumbs on printed material. CC0.
Vince
Nov 2, 2025, 5:46:52 PM (3 days ago) Nov 2
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We use abstracts for sci-fi and occasionally omnibuses, but they’re not a good fit for a mystery novel.
Think about aspects of the plot, or locations, or people. A couple of the ones you proposed earlier would work, or similar ones, you just need PD proof.
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