Andre Norton - Storm Over Warlock - cover art
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Brad Barnes
Feb 3, 2022, 9:00:12 AM2/3/22
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Hey all. What's the procedure for attaining approval or getting feedback from the editor on cover art? I think I'm ready in the case of Andre Norton's "Storm Over Warlock." While finding "fine art" representation for sci-fi has proved challenging, I've found something I think works nicely for this book and is a little more realistic than the abstract images most SE books use for sci-fi.
It's a page from a 16th century manuscript called, in English, "The Comet Book." Only two known copies of the book exist, and one is placed in public domain by the University of Kassell. Here's a link to the image: https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/!image/1336039708836/59/ (with a PDF downloaded and attached to this message).
I would want to crop the image in such a way that it eliminates the structures and people in it. I envision it looking something like attached mockup (which is quick and dirty and not at full resolution. I didn't even change the title for purposes of this example.) I realize this is a substantial "zoom-in" from the original image. Is this OK, or do I need to go back to the well? Or do I need to stick with an abstract image for SE consistency across the genre of sci-fi?
François Grandjean
Feb 3, 2022, 10:33:26 AM2/3/22
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The procedure is easy: just post here and Alex will reply as soon as he is able to.
Alex Cabal
Feb 3, 2022, 6:22:58 PM2/3/22
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I think that looks good, though we'd want to make sure the horses and
people in the clouds aren't included. They definitely take it out of a
sci fi realm I think.
Please send a link to the page where there is a CC0 license for the
book. We require a CC0 license specifically, generic phrases like "this
is in the public domain" are not enough.
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people in the clouds aren't included. They definitely take it out of a
sci fi realm I think.
Please send a link to the page where there is a CC0 license for the
book. We require a CC0 license specifically, generic phrases like "this
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Brad Barnes
Feb 3, 2022, 6:55:16 PM2/3/22
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It's CC-BY-SA, per the library's "Terms of Use and Release Notices" subsection here:
Is that sufficient? My understanding of the difference between CC0 and CC-BY is not the most robust.
Alex Cabal
Feb 3, 2022, 6:56:53 PM2/3/22
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No, CC0 is the only acceptable license, not any other flavor of CC.
Sorry! https://standardebooks.test/manual/1.6.3/10-art-and-images#10.3.3.7.5
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> > I would want to crop the image in such a way that it eliminates the
> > structures and people in it. I envision it looking something like
> > attached mockup (which is quick and dirty and not at full
> resolution. I
> > didn't even change the title for purposes of this example.) I
> realize
> > this is a substantial "zoom-in" from the original image. Is this
> OK, or
> > do I need to go back to the well? Or do I need to stick with an
> abstract
> > image for SE consistency across the genre of sci-fi?
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> > I would want to crop the image in such a way that it eliminates the
> > structures and people in it. I envision it looking something like
> > attached mockup (which is quick and dirty and not at full
> resolution. I
> > didn't even change the title for purposes of this example.) I
> realize
> > this is a substantial "zoom-in" from the original image. Is this
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> abstract
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David Grigg
Feb 3, 2022, 7:56:31 PM2/3/22
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Without wanting to stir up an argument, the bibliographic information on that University website says that the book this illustration is in was published in 1587. Which is a fair while before our cut off of 1926! Is the problem that Brad would need to find proof of that publication date?
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B Keith
Feb 3, 2022, 8:16:27 PM2/3/22
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THhs was my thought as well but then I realized that it isi the image of the book that is the issue. I think...
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Brad Barnes
Feb 3, 2022, 8:38:34 PM2/3/22
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I can't get your link to work, Alex. In my (humble?) defense, I've been using the step-by-step guide as, well, just that, and it doesn't distinguish between flavors of CC licenses, just that the image must be "in the public domain" and that I must prove that. I'm not grousing and understand it's your call, but a reference to the CC0 requirement there might be helpful in saving time and hair-pulling for others in the future.
Sci-fi is a particularly tough nut for cover art, I think, given the lack of early paintings of such. But this is bound to come up more and more as early science fiction creeps more and more into PD. I was kinda hoping that this 16C book might offer several options for other ebooks too. FWIW.
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David Grigg
Feb 3, 2022, 8:39:32 PM2/3/22
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Well, as always Alex is rightly the final arbiter, so I'll leave the decision up to him.
I just wondered whether he had understood the fact that the book was published hundreds of years ago. People can put whatever license and conditions they want on an artwork, but if we can show that it appeared in print before 1926 that generally trumps that.
Here's a link to the bibliographic data page: https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/!metadata/1336039708836/59/-/
I just wondered whether he had understood the fact that the book was published hundreds of years ago. People can put whatever license and conditions they want on an artwork, but if we can show that it appeared in print before 1926 that generally trumps that.
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Vince
Feb 3, 2022, 8:44:01 PM2/3/22
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The requirements for cover art are spelled out in great detail in the manual, the first document Alex tells everyone to read before starting.
Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:
https://standardebooks.org/manual
Alex Cabal
Feb 3, 2022, 8:46:34 PM2/3/22
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Yes, but there is no year on the page scans that I could see.
(Understandable given its supposed age.) We need a year in the scans to
confirm the actual publication year, not some random metadata.
On 2/3/22 7:39 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> Well, as always Alex is rightly the final arbiter, so I'll leave the
> decision up to him.
>
> I just wondered whether he had understood the fact that the book was
> published hundreds of years ago. People can put whatever license and
> conditions they want on an artwork, but if we can show that it appeared
> in print before 1926 that generally trumps that.
>
> Here's a link to the bibliographic data page:
> https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/!metadata/1336039708836/59/-/
> <https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/!metadata/1336039708836/59/-/>
>
> On 4 Feb 2022, 12:16 PM +1100, B Keith <bois...@gmail.com>, wrote:
>> THhs was my thought as well but then I realized that it isi the image
>> of the book that is the issue. I think...
>>
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(Understandable given its supposed age.) We need a year in the scans to
confirm the actual publication year, not some random metadata.
On 2/3/22 7:39 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> Well, as always Alex is rightly the final arbiter, so I'll leave the
> decision up to him.
>
> I just wondered whether he had understood the fact that the book was
> published hundreds of years ago. People can put whatever license and
> conditions they want on an artwork, but if we can show that it appeared
> in print before 1926 that generally trumps that.
>
> Here's a link to the bibliographic data page:
> https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/!metadata/1336039708836/59/-/
> <https://orka.bibliothek.uni-kassel.de/viewer/!metadata/1336039708836/59/-/>
>
> On 4 Feb 2022, 12:16 PM +1100, B Keith <bois...@gmail.com>, wrote:
>> THhs was my thought as well but then I realized that it isi the image
>> of the book that is the issue. I think...
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:56 PM, David Grigg <david...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:david...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Without wanting to stir up an argument, the bibliographic information
>>> on that University website says that the book this illustration is in
>>> was published in 1587. Which is a fair while before our cut off of
>>> 1926! Is the problem that Brad would need to find proof of that
>>> publication date?
>>> On 4 Feb 2022, 10:56 AM +1100, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
>>>
>>> Without wanting to stir up an argument, the bibliographic information
>>> on that University website says that the book this illustration is in
>>> was published in 1587. Which is a fair while before our cut off of
>>> 1926! Is the problem that Brad would need to find proof of that
>>> publication date?
>>> On 4 Feb 2022, 10:56 AM +1100, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
>>> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>>, wrote:
>>>> No, CC0 is the only acceptable license, not any other flavor of CC.
>>>> Sorry!
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>>>> No, CC0 is the only acceptable license, not any other flavor of CC.
>>>> Sorry!
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Brad Barnes
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Hey Alex. How about this piece?:
Cropped tight to the right side (mockup attached), it feels like a pretty good fit to me, evoking the book's ominous water-bound rocky landscape, with the glow from the shipwreck (with the ship itself cropped out as mocked up here) giving it a pretty good fantasy/sci-fi vibe. It's one of the National Museum Sweden's PD images, and it is tagged CC-PD (as opposed to SA).
Thoughts?
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I think that works, provided that the image is high res enough where the
crop doesn't look too blurry. It's hard to tell from your mockup because
the whole thing is very blurry.
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crop doesn't look too blurry. It's hard to tell from your mockup because
the whole thing is very blurry.
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Vince
Feb 7, 2022, 1:33:32 PM2/7/22
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Alex, is CC-PD OK now? I thought it had come up before and your answer was CC0 only.
Alex Cabal
Feb 7, 2022, 1:44:56 PM2/7/22
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Vince
Feb 7, 2022, 2:17:47 PM2/7/22
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Sure, but not everything at every one of our approved museums is usable, because not everything at those museums is CC0. Don’t get me wrong—I’m thrilled for something else to be OK, I’m just trying to understand what makes this usable, since it’s not CC0?
Brad Barnes
Feb 7, 2022, 2:57:28 PM2/7/22
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I believe CC0 and CC Public Domain are one and the same. Or, more precisely, I believe if it's marked CC but not designated with "BY-XX" after it then it's considered CC0 -- and that there is no "CC-PD" license. I was using shorthand but added to the confusion, and I'm sorry about that. ... Still, as I stated with the last piece of art, I'm certainly no expert on these licenses and could be proved wrong.
In any case, here's the usable bit of the image, cropped to 1400x2100. It looks good to my admittedly not fantastic eyeballs, but I'll wait for the double-secret handshake and the knowing wink from Alex before committing. I can go back to the well if need be.
Vince
Feb 7, 2022, 3:08:36 PM2/7/22
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CC0 and CC PD are definitely not the same. And, to make clear again, I have no issue with using the painting, quite the opposite. What I’m trying to figure out is why not having CC0 is OK with Alex, because it is at odds with everything in the manual (and countless posts here), and how/if that applies elsewhere.
Vince
Feb 7, 2022, 4:49:35 PM2/7/22
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No, it’s not a moving target, the manual is clear (for that museum) and you acted accordingly. I’m just trying to get clarification why it’s OK, when it’s not CC0 and everything we have says it has to be CC0.
Alex Cabal
Feb 7, 2022, 6:51:10 PM2/7/22
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At the time, their policy page said:
"The Nationalmuseum has dedicated these images to the Public Domain as
they have been made exclusively by digitally reproducing works of art
that are no longer protected by copyright."
Therefore while it's a CC-PD "license", their rights statement is more
like CC0, therefore this is an accepted exception
On 2/7/22 3:49 PM, Vince wrote:
> No, it’s not a moving target, the manual is clear (for that museum) and
> you acted accordingly. I’m just trying to get clarification /why/ it’s
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/standardebooks/8B65AA96-07B0-45DD-B548-3D3BF1057A8B%40letterboxes.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
"The Nationalmuseum has dedicated these images to the Public Domain as
they have been made exclusively by digitally reproducing works of art
that are no longer protected by copyright."
Therefore while it's a CC-PD "license", their rights statement is more
like CC0, therefore this is an accepted exception
On 2/7/22 3:49 PM, Vince wrote:
> No, it’s not a moving target, the manual is clear (for that museum) and
> OK, when it’s not CC0 and everything we have says it has to be CC0.
>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Brad Barnes <barness...@gmail.com
>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Brad Barnes <barness...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:barness...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> No worries, Vince. I'm not feeling picked on. But it does feel like a
>> bit of a moving target. The manual implies that CC-PD is OK, at least
>> from this museum -- which is why I pitched it with some confidence.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:08:36 PM UTC-5 Vince wrote:
>>
>> CC0 and CC PD are definitely not the same. And, to make clear
>> again, I have no issue with using the painting, quite the
>> opposite. What I’m trying to figure out is why/not/ having CC0 is
>>
>> No worries, Vince. I'm not feeling picked on. But it does feel like a
>> bit of a moving target. The manual implies that CC-PD is OK, at least
>> from this museum -- which is why I pitched it with some confidence.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:08:36 PM UTC-5 Vince wrote:
>>
>> CC0 and CC PD are definitely not the same. And, to make clear
>> again, I have no issue with using the painting, quite the
>> OK with Alex, because it is at odds with everything in the manual
>> (and countless posts here), and how/if that applies elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:57 PM, Brad Barnes <barness...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe CC0 and CC Public Domain are one and the same. Or, more
>>> precisely, I believe if it's marked CC but not designated with
>>> "BY-XX" after it then it's considered CC0 -- and that there is no
>>> "CC-PD" license. I was using shorthand but added to the
>>> confusion, and I'm sorry about that. ... Still, as I stated with
>>> the last piece of art, I'm certainly no expert on these licenses
>>> and could be proved wrong.
>>>
>>> In any case, here's the usable bit of the image, cropped to
>>> 1400x2100. It looks good to my admittedly not fantastic eyeballs,
>>> but I'll wait for the double-secret handshake and the knowing
>>> wink from Alex before committing. I can go back to the well if
>>> need be.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 2:17:47 PM UTC-5 Vince wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure, but not everything at every one of our approved museums
>>> is usable, because not everything at those museums is CC0.
>>> Don’t get me wrong—I’m/thrilled/ for something else to be OK,
>> (and countless posts here), and how/if that applies elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 1:57 PM, Brad Barnes <barness...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe CC0 and CC Public Domain are one and the same. Or, more
>>> precisely, I believe if it's marked CC but not designated with
>>> "BY-XX" after it then it's considered CC0 -- and that there is no
>>> "CC-PD" license. I was using shorthand but added to the
>>> confusion, and I'm sorry about that. ... Still, as I stated with
>>> the last piece of art, I'm certainly no expert on these licenses
>>> and could be proved wrong.
>>>
>>> In any case, here's the usable bit of the image, cropped to
>>> 1400x2100. It looks good to my admittedly not fantastic eyeballs,
>>> but I'll wait for the double-secret handshake and the knowing
>>> wink from Alex before committing. I can go back to the well if
>>> need be.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 2:17:47 PM UTC-5 Vince wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure, but not everything at every one of our approved museums
>>> is usable, because not everything at those museums is CC0.
>>> I’m just trying to understand what makes this usable, since
>>> it’s not CC0?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Alex Cabal
>>>> <al...@standardebooks.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> nationalmuseum.se <http://nationalmuseum.se/>is on our
>>> it’s not CC0?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Alex Cabal
>>>> <al...@standardebooks.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> approved museums list
>>>>
>>>> On 2/7/22 12:33 PM, Vince wrote:
>>>>> Alex, is CC-PD OK now? I thought it had come up before and
>>>>> your answer was CC0 only.
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Alex Cabal
>>>>>> <al...@standardebooks.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that works, provided that the image is high res
>>>>>> enough where the crop doesn't look too blurry. It's hard
>>>>>> to tell from your mockup because the whole thing is very
>>>>>> blurry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/7/22 9:11 AM, Brad Barnes wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Alex. How about this piece?:
>>>>>>> http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView
>>>>>>> <http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView>
>>>>>>> Cropped tight to the right side (mockup attached), it
>>>>>>> feels like a pretty good fit to me, evoking the book's
>>>>>>> ominous water-bound rocky landscape, with the glow from
>>>>>>> the shipwreck (with the ship itself cropped out as mocked
>>>>>>> up here) giving it a pretty good fantasy/sci-fi vibe.
>>>>>>> It's one of the National Museum Sweden's PD images, and
>>>>>>> it is tagged CC-PD (as opposed to SA).
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/7/22 12:33 PM, Vince wrote:
>>>>> Alex, is CC-PD OK now? I thought it had come up before and
>>>>> your answer was CC0 only.
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Alex Cabal
>>>>>> <al...@standardebooks.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that works, provided that the image is high res
>>>>>> enough where the crop doesn't look too blurry. It's hard
>>>>>> to tell from your mockup because the whole thing is very
>>>>>> blurry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/7/22 9:11 AM, Brad Barnes wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Alex. How about this piece?:
>>>>>>> http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView
>>>>>>> <http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView>
>>>>>>> Cropped tight to the right side (mockup attached), it
>>>>>>> feels like a pretty good fit to me, evoking the book's
>>>>>>> ominous water-bound rocky landscape, with the glow from
>>>>>>> the shipwreck (with the ship itself cropped out as mocked
>>>>>>> up here) giving it a pretty good fantasy/sci-fi vibe.
>>>>>>> It's one of the National Museum Sweden's PD images, and
>>>>>>> it is tagged CC-PD (as opposed to SA).
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>
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Feb 7, 2022, 7:51:59 PM2/7/22
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I think it looks good. Thanks!
On 2/7/22 1:57 PM, Brad Barnes wrote:
> I believe CC0 and CC Public Domain are one and the same. Or, more
> precisely, I believe if it's marked CC but not designated with "BY-XX"
> after it then it's considered CC0 -- and that there is no "CC-PD"
> license. I was using shorthand but added to the confusion, and I'm sorry
> about that. ... Still, as I stated with the last piece of art, I'm
> certainly no expert on these licenses and could be proved wrong.
>
> In any case, here's the usable bit of the image, cropped to 1400x2100.
> It looks good to my admittedly not fantastic eyeballs, but I'll wait for
> the double-secret handshake and the knowing wink from Alex before
> committing. I can go back to the well if need be.
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 2:17:47 PM UTC-5 Vince wrote:
>
> Sure, but not everything at every one of our approved museums is
> usable, because not everything at those museums is CC0. Don’t get me
> wrong—I’m /thrilled/ for something else to be OK, I’m just trying to
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/standardebooks/f96ce275-df10-4ac0-8850-e2be7adcc519n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
On 2/7/22 1:57 PM, Brad Barnes wrote:
> I believe CC0 and CC Public Domain are one and the same. Or, more
> precisely, I believe if it's marked CC but not designated with "BY-XX"
> after it then it's considered CC0 -- and that there is no "CC-PD"
> license. I was using shorthand but added to the confusion, and I'm sorry
> about that. ... Still, as I stated with the last piece of art, I'm
> certainly no expert on these licenses and could be proved wrong.
>
> In any case, here's the usable bit of the image, cropped to 1400x2100.
> It looks good to my admittedly not fantastic eyeballs, but I'll wait for
> the double-secret handshake and the knowing wink from Alex before
> committing. I can go back to the well if need be.
>
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 2:17:47 PM UTC-5 Vince wrote:
>
> Sure, but not everything at every one of our approved museums is
> usable, because not everything at those museums is CC0. Don’t get me
> understand what makes this usable, since it’s not CC0?
>
>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> nationalmuseum.se <http://nationalmuseum.se> is on our approved
>
>
>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> museums list
>>
>> On 2/7/22 12:33 PM, Vince wrote:
>>> Alex, is CC-PD OK now? I thought it had come up before and your
>>> answer was CC0 only.
>>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Alex Cabal
>>>> <al...@standardebooks.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think that works, provided that the image is high res enough
>>>> where the crop doesn't look too blurry. It's hard to tell from
>>>> your mockup because the whole thing is very blurry.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/7/22 9:11 AM, Brad Barnes wrote:
>>>>> Hey Alex. How about this piece?:
>>>>> http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView
>>>>> <http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView>
>>>>> Cropped tight to the right side (mockup attached), it feels
>>>>> like a pretty good fit to me, evoking the book's ominous
>>>>> water-bound rocky landscape, with the glow from the shipwreck
>>>>> (with the ship itself cropped out as mocked up here) giving it
>>>>> a pretty good fantasy/sci-fi vibe. It's one of the National
>>>>> Museum Sweden's PD images, and it is tagged CC-PD (as opposed
>>>>> to SA).
>>>>> Thoughts?
>
>>
>> On 2/7/22 12:33 PM, Vince wrote:
>>> Alex, is CC-PD OK now? I thought it had come up before and your
>>> answer was CC0 only.
>>>> On Feb 7, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Alex Cabal
>>>> <al...@standardebooks.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think that works, provided that the image is high res enough
>>>> where the crop doesn't look too blurry. It's hard to tell from
>>>> your mockup because the whole thing is very blurry.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/7/22 9:11 AM, Brad Barnes wrote:
>>>>> Hey Alex. How about this piece?:
>>>>> http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView
>>>>> <http://collection.nationalmuseum.se/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=18217&viewType=detailView>
>>>>> Cropped tight to the right side (mockup attached), it feels
>>>>> like a pretty good fit to me, evoking the book's ominous
>>>>> water-bound rocky landscape, with the glow from the shipwreck
>>>>> (with the ship itself cropped out as mocked up here) giving it
>>>>> a pretty good fantasy/sci-fi vibe. It's one of the National
>>>>> Museum Sweden's PD images, and it is tagged CC-PD (as opposed
>>>>> to SA).
>>>>> Thoughts?
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