We almost never make major changes like discarding things we don't
understand. Instead you should try to think about what exactly you're
looking at, and how to represent it semantically.
On 5/2/26 12:12 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> Chapter 45, unlike all others, has a title with quotes here <https://
>
www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/33301/pg33301-
> images.html#XLV:~:text=and%20unswerving%20faith.-,XLV,-.>.
>
> As far as I can tell, it isn't the title of the poem by Wordsworth that
> immediately follows.
> Ditto for the scan <
https://archive.org/details/
> swordofdamocless00greeiala/page/520/mode/2up>:
>
> Retain them? or discard them? If discarded, that will not be an
> editorial change, correct?
> On Friday, May 1, 2026 at 3:53:02 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> 1. You can remove the italics and add quotes around Hic jacet.
>
> 2. Remove the period.
>
> 3. Use a class for verse indents (SEMoS 7.5.4 <https://
>
standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.7/single-page#7.5.4>).
> epub/33301/pg33301-images.html#XXXV <
https://www.gutenberg.org/
> cache/epub/33301/pg33301-images.html#XXXV>
>
> They are using "i8" to indent the first line. Just eyeballing
> it, it appears this is an attempt to center it. This is the
> second occurrence I have seen this.
>
> How should I handle this?
>
> On Friday, May 1, 2026 at 2:44:24 PM UTC-4 Cecil New wrote:
>
> (another epigraph question)
> I noticed that in two epigraph examples:
> 1.
https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.7/single-
> page#8.5.2.1 <
https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.7/
> single-page#8.5.2.1>
> 2.
https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.7/single-
> page#8.2.13.1 <
https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.7/
> single-page#8.2.13.1>
>
> One has a period at the end of the citation, after the
> author's name, and the other does not.
>
> While they are quite different examples, I don't what the
> rule might be for when the period should be there and when not.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2026 at 3:34:12 PM UTC-4 Cecil New wrote:
>
> Chapter 20 has this epigraph:
>
> <p>“O eloquent, just and mightie death! whom none could
> advise, thou hast persuaded; what none hath dared, thou
> hast done; and whom all the world hath flattered, thou
> only hast cast out of the world and despised: thou hast
> drawn together all the farre stretched greatnesses; all
> the pride, crueltie and ambition of man and covered it
> all over with these two narrow words, <i>Hic jacet</i>.”</p>
>
> I found "hic jacet" in the MW dictionary, therefore, it
> should not have italics or a lang tag. However, I
> wondered whether some sort of emphasis should be
> retained given the context. Thoughts?
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2026 at 2:44:48 PM UTC-5 Emma
> Sweeney wrote:
>
> You need to use drama formatting for the dialog. See
> SEMoS 7.6.5 <
https://standardebooks.org/
> manual/1.8.7/7-high-level-structural-
> patterns#7.6.5>. Also, you should expand the
> abbreviated personas to be "Ferdinand" and "Miranda".
>
> Emma
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2026 at 10:30:52 AM UTC-4
>
ceci...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Chapter six has an epigraph blockquote that
> contains a couple of lines quoted from the
> Tempest (here <
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/
> epub/33301/pg33301-
> images.html#VI:~:text=heart%20in%20it.
> %E2%80%9D%E2%80%94-,Tempest.,-Once%20arrived%20at>)
>
> Here is my markup... Do I need to do anything
> more complicated for this?
> <section id="chapter-6" epub:type="chapter">
> <header>
> <hgroup>
> <h3 epub:type="ordinal z3998:roman">VI</h3>
> <p epub:type="title">A Hand Clasp</p>
> </hgroup>
> <blockquote epub:type="epigraph">
> <p>
> <span>“<i>Fer.</i>—Here’s my hand.</span>
> <br/>
> <span><i>Mir.</i>—And mine with my heart in
> it.”</span>
> </p>
> <cite>
> <i epub:type="se:
name.publication.play <http://
>
name.publication.play>">Tempest</i>
> </cite>
> </blockquote>
> </header>
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2026 at 1:09:02 PM UTC-4
> Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> 1. This is an epigraph (SEMoS 7.4 <https://
>
standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.7/single-
> page#7.4>). Place it before the dedication,
> like in the page scans.
>
> 2. You can treat this as a preface.
>
>
> Emma
> On Monday, April 27, 2026 at 10:44:43 AM
> UTC-4
ceci...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Finally done traveling... and I have
> another couple questions about the
> structure.
>
> First, this sentence here <https://
>
www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/33301/
> pg33301-
> images.html#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWhen%20all%20else%20fails%20love%20saves%E2%80%9D> is located on the "title page" in the scan. PG has moved it to follow the dedication. Should I also relocate it after the dedication? Should it be a part of the dedication file?
>
> Second, there is a block quote that
> precedes the book proper (scroll down to
> after the ToC). It is quoted from the
> historian Charles Rollin (from his
> "Ancient History"). Should I treat this
> as a preface? Something else?
>
> On Thursday, April 23, 2026 at
> 7:59:37 AM UTC-4 Cecil New wrote:
>
> @David... why didn't I think of
> that! Altho it's been several
> months, I've actually read all four
> of the available books.
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2026 at
> 6:33:46 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Each book and each chapter
> should be in separate files.
> Unlike /Dark Princess/, this
> work doesn't renumber chapters
> for each book.
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2026 at
> 5:31:18 PM UTC-4 David wrote:
>
> Emma may well have other/
> better suggestions, but ## 1
> and 8 in the Mr Gryce series
> <
https://standardebooks.org/
> collections/mr-gryce> use
> this same pattern. I would
> think they make useful
> exemplars.
>
> FWIW!
>
>
> On Wednesday, 22 April 2026
> at 22:20:40 UTC+1 Cecil wrote:
>
> Before I work on
> splitting the source, I
> want to be sure I am
> using the appropriate
> structure. Here are some
> data points based on the
> scan:
>
> *
>
> /Book 1: 137 pages,
> 13 chapters/
>
> *
>
> /Book 2: 113 pages,
> 9 chapters/
>
> *
>
> /Book 3: 89 pages, 7
> chapters/
>
> *
>
> /Book 4: 146 pages,
> 11 chapters/
>
> *
>
> /Book 5: 65 pages, 6
> chapters/
>
> /
> /
>
> /There are 46 chapters
> in total with an average
> of less than 12 pages
> per chapter./
>
>
> The short chapters
> remind me of a previous
> work I produced here
> <
https://github.com/
> standardebooks/w-e-b-du-
> bois_dark-princess/tree/
> master/src/epub/text>,
> where the chapters were
> contained within the
> "parts".
>
> But more likely, I
> should the pattern found
> here, where each book
> and each chapter are in
> separate files:
>
https://github.com/
> standardebooks/henry-
> james_the-ambassadors/
> tree/master/src/epub/
> text <https://
>
github.com/
> standardebooks/henry-
> james_the-ambassadors/
> tree/master/src/epub/text>
> (Also, just a
> simplification of the
> example at SEMoS 7.1.5.1
> <https://
>
standardebooks.org/
> manual/1.8.7/7-high-
> level-structural-
> patterns#7.1.5.1>)
>
> Which structure pattern
> should I follow? Is
> there any other info I
> can provide that would
> help determine the answer?
>
> Thanks!
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