[Next project] “We” by Charles A. Lindbergh

Jason Livermore

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This one looked interesting.

There are about 4 dozen photos, I assume we keep for non-fiction. There is a foreword by a U.S. ambassador. There is a publisher's note and author's note about the later section of the book, "A Little of What the World Thought of Lindbergh", an addition 6 chapters written by Fitzhugh Green. Lindbergh did not want to write himself about the reactions to his famous flight.

https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/73142
https://archive.org/details/bwb_Y0-CGU-336

Alex Cabal

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OK, sure. Keep the pictures but I think we can remove the copyright
notices under each one. Send a link to your repo once you start. Thanks!

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Jason Livermore

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Dec 11, 2025, 8:37:46 PM12/11/25

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repo: https://github.com/javamanatee/charles-a-lindbergh_we

Alex Cabal

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OK, David will manage with Lukas reviewing.

On 12/11/25 7:37 PM, Jason Livermore wrote:
> repo: https://github.com/javamanatee/charles-a-lindbergh_we
>
>
> On Thursday, December 11, 2025 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-6 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, sure. Keep the pictures but I think we can remove the copyright
> notices under each one. Send a link to your repo once you start.
> Thanks!
>
> On 12/10/25 6:30 PM, Jason Livermore wrote:
> > This one looked interesting.
> >
> > There are about 4 dozen photos, I assume we keep for non-
> fiction. There
> > is a foreword by a U.S. ambassador. There is a publisher's note and
> > author's note about the later section of the book, "A Little of
> What the
> > World Thought of Lindbergh", an addition 6 chapters written by
> Fitzhugh
> > Green. Lindbergh did not want to write himself about the
> reactions to
> > his famous flight.
> >

> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/73142 <https://gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/73142>
> > https://archive.org/details/bwb_Y0-CGU-336 <https://archive.org/
> details/bwb_Y0-CGU-336>

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Jason Livermore

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Dec 12, 2025, 2:17:15 PM12/12/25

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Right at the start, I need to figure out how to organize the book, mainly because of the publisher's and author's note in the middle, followed by another part with a different author that also has several chapters numbered 1 to 6. I'm thinking something like this:

dedication

foreword

halftitlepage

chapter-1, chapter-2, etc. by Lindbergh

publisher's note (preface-1) -> is there a better semantic? It introduces a new part and it's in the middle, not the front of the book

author's note (preface-2)

part-1 (title for the part written by Fitzhugh Green)

chapter-1-1, 1-2, etc. under part-1

(backmatter)

Kind of a hybrid between regular chapter organization and then another part with chapters under that part. Does it make sense?

David

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Dec 12, 2025, 3:19:20 PM12/12/25

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This seems complicated!

Looking at the scan's ToC, I'd be inclined to think of all the "What the World Thought..." as appendices to Lindbergh's _We_.

My guess is that this results in something like:

Dedication

Foreword

- Halftitle

Chapters....

Appendix: "A LITTLE OF WHAT THE WORLD THOUGHT OF LINDBERGH" (On the analogy of "Book 2"-type file)

Foreword-1 = publisher note

Preface = author's note

appendix-1, -2, -3... (= Paris, Brussels, London, etc.)

LoI (whatever's left)

"Recomposability" is the goal, of course, so need to watch the `data-parent` relations for the "Appendix". It would be good to get Alex's sense of this, too.

Alex Cabal

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Dec 12, 2025, 4:54:44 PM12/12/25

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Looks fine

On 12/12/25 2:19 PM, David wrote:
> This seems complicated!
>

> Looking at the scan's ToC <https://archive.org/details/bwb_Y0-CGU-336/
> page/12/mode/2up>, I'd be inclined to think of all the "What the World

> Thought..." as appendices to Lindbergh's _We_.
>
> My guess is that this results in something like:
>
> Dedication
> Foreword
> - Halftitle
> Chapters....
> Appendix: "A LITTLE OF WHAT THE WORLD THOUGHT OF LINDBERGH" (On the
> analogy of "Book 2"-type file)
> Foreword-1 = publisher note
> Preface = author's note
> appendix-1, -2, -3... (= Paris, Brussels, London, etc.)
> LoI (whatever's left)
>

> "Recomposability <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.5/single-
> page#7.1.5>" is the goal, of course, so need to watch the `data-parent`

> relations for the "Appendix". It would be good to get Alex's sense of
> this, too.
>
> On Friday, 12 December 2025 at 19:17:15 UTC Jason wrote:
>
> Right at the start, I need to figure out how to organize the book,
> mainly because of the publisher's and author's note in the middle,
> followed by another part with a different author that also has
> several chapters numbered 1 to 6. I'm thinking something like this:
>
> dedication
> foreword
> halftitlepage
> chapter-1, chapter-2, etc. by Lindbergh
> publisher's note (preface-1) -> is there a better semantic? It
> introduces a new part and it's in the middle, not the front of the book
> author's note (preface-2)
> part-1 (title for the part written by Fitzhugh Green)
> chapter-1-1, 1-2, etc. under part-1
> (backmatter)
>
> Kind of a hybrid between regular chapter organization and then
> another part with chapters under that part. Does it make sense?
>
> On Friday, December 12, 2025 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-6 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, David will manage with Lukas reviewing.
>

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Jason Livermore

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Dec 20, 2025, 11:17:54 PM12/20/25

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David,

I'm dealing with a bunch of different kinds of model numbers for airplanes.

For the ones that are obviously initialisms, I think I should treat them as such.

S.V.A. is Savoia-Verduzio-Ansaldo

S.E.-5 is actually S.E.5 "Scout Experimental 5"

The other ones are not initialisms, as far as I can tell. They are styled with periods, but looking at contemporary reports, and wikipedia, they should not have periods. This would be an editorial change, and I'm not sure these would be considered abbreviations.

J.N.4C -> JN-4C

T.W.3 -> TW3

M.B.-3 -> MB-3

and so on.

Thoughts?

David

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Dec 21, 2025, 5:12:46 AM12/21/25

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My first this is: this is the kind of thing I often guess wrong on! :/

A more constructive thought is that your inclination looking at these makes good sense: those that are clearly initialisms, and use periods/full-stops, should be treated as such semantically. But those that are simply "model numbers" don't need any treatment at all: and there are actually a good number of these in the corpus (some "false positives" in that listing, but still useful, imo).

For those that you're certain are simply "model numbers", I'd go ahead and do the requisite change (e.g. `T.W.3` -> `TW3`), and if you can do them in a single `[Editorial]` commit, so much the better.

Jason Livermore

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Dec 30, 2025, 4:48:25 PM12/30/25

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What do you think about modernizing R.P.M. to rpm? The latter seems to be much more common in modern usage, and it follows the pattern of other common units like mph and hp. And should it be added to modernize-spelling? M-W also has it as 'rpm'. Maybe a question for Alex?

Alex Cabal

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Dec 30, 2025, 5:03:23 PM12/30/25

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Yes, you can change that to rpm, but R.P.M. doesn't occur anywhere else
in the corpus so it wouldn't be worth scripting.

On 12/30/25 3:48 PM, Jason Livermore wrote:
> What do you think about modernizing R.P.M. to rpm? The latter seems to
> be much more common in modern usage, and it follows the pattern of other
> common units like mph and hp. And should it be added to modernize-
> spelling? M-W also has it as 'rpm'. Maybe a question for Alex?
>
>
> On Sunday, December 21, 2025 at 4:12:46 AM UTC-6 David wrote:
>
> My first this is: this is the kind of thing I often guess wrong on! :/
>
> A more constructive thought is that your inclination looking at
> these makes good sense: those that are clearly initialisms, and use
> periods/full-stops, should be treated as such semantically. But
> those that are simply "model numbers" don't need any treatment at
> all: and there are actually a good number of these in the corpus

> <https://github.com/search?q=org%3Astandardebooks+%2F%28%3F-
> i%29%5BA-BD-Z%5D%7B2%2C3%7D%5B0-9%5D%2F+path%3A*%2F*xhtml&type=code>

> (some "false positives" in that listing, but still useful, imo).
>
> For those that you're certain are simply "model numbers", I'd go
> ahead and do the requisite change (e.g. `T.W.3` -> `TW3`), and if
> you can do them in a single `[Editorial]` commit, so much the better.
>
> On Sunday, 21 December 2025 at 04:17:54 UTC Jason wrote:
>
> David,
> I'm dealing with a bunch of different kinds of model numbers for
> airplanes.
>
> For the ones that are obviously initialisms, I think I should
> treat them as such.
> S.V.A. is Savoia-Verduzio-Ansaldo
> S.E.-5 is actually S.E.5 "Scout Experimental 5"
>
> The other ones are not initialisms, as far as I can tell. They
> are styled with periods, but looking at contemporary reports,
> and wikipedia, they should not have periods. This would be an
> editorial change, and I'm not sure these would be considered
> abbreviations.
> J.N.4C -> JN-4C
> T.W.3 -> TW3
> M.B.-3 -> MB-3
> and so on.
>
> Thoughts?
>

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Jason Livermore

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For cover art, there was a calendar print of Lindbergh's flight. I'm hoping it looks "fine art" enough.

Description: Poster reproduction of a painting titled "WE" by Einar Kverne.

Date: 1927

PD Work: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA419
Date/pub: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA387

Source: https://www.loc.gov/resource/ppmsca.98176/

Looking for info on Einar Kverne...or the original that the print is based on. What is in the above links is all I could find. Anyway, the PD proof is the poster repro and it should match the image.

David

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Nice find! My sense of the art is that it's at least as "fine art" as some first edition covers of 20th C novels that we use.

It also appears in a Smithsonian "collection" record, but not CC0, so the PD proof is important. With some help, I found a "memorial" record for the artist, I assume (the name is quite rare!); it looks like he was quite a young man when the poster was created, but not impossible. IF my assumption is incorrect, we'll need to correct it in the DB. You've probably done the same search(es) I have: Google Books hits show that in 1971 the American Aviation Historical Society was also searching for him...

I've uploaded it to the DB and assigned it. If it doesn't pass muster, Alex will let us know!

On Saturday, 3 January 2026 at 19:02:23 UTC Jason wrote:

For cover art, there was a calendar print of Lindbergh's flight. I'm hoping it looks "fine art" enough.
Description: Poster reproduction of a painting titled "WE" by Einar Kverne.
Date: 1927

PD Work: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA419
Date/pub: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA387
Source: https://www.loc.gov/resource/ppmsca.98176/

Looking for info on Einar Kverne...or the original that the print is based on. What is in the above links is all I could find. Anyway, the PD proof is the poster repro and it should match the image.

. . .

Jason Livermore

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Lukas, this is ready for review.

https://github.com/javamanatee/charles-a-lindbergh_we

Lukas Bystricky

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Sounds good. I'll get to that in the next couple days.

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Lukas Bystricky

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Very nice work Jason on a complicated production. Just a couple small things to look at/consider.

Lukas Bystricky

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One commit message needs to be changed, and after that it's ready for you Alex.

Jason Livermore

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Typo fixed in commit message, it's ready to go.

Jason Livermore

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Alex, just making sure this is in your queue. Should be ready for release.

Alex Cabal

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Is this ready Lukas?

On 1/14/26 6:34 PM, Jason Livermore wrote:
> Alex, just making sure this is in your queue. Should be ready for release.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 11, 2026 at 1:22:49 PM UTC-6 Jason Livermore wrote:
>
> Typo fixed in commit message, it's ready to go.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 11, 2026 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-6
> lukasby...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> One commit message needs to be changed, and after that it's
> ready for you Alex.
>
> On Saturday, January 10, 2026 at 7:26:09 AM UTC+1 Lukas
> Bystricky wrote:
>
> Very nice work Jason on a complicated production. Just a
> couple small things to look at/consider.
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2026 at 5:16:52 PM UTC+1 Lukas
> Bystricky wrote:
>
> Sounds good. I'll get to that in the next couple days.
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2026, 03:48 Jason Livermore
> <jason.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lukas, this is ready for review.
> https://github.com/javamanatee/charles-a-

> lindbergh_we <https://github.com/javamanatee/
> charles-a-lindbergh_we>

>
>
> On Saturday, January 3, 2026 at 1:53:51 PM UTC-6
> David wrote:
>
> Nice find! My sense of the art is that it's at
> least as "fine art" as some first edition covers
> of 20th C novels that we use.
>
> It also appears in a Smithsonian "collection"

> record <https://collections.si.edu/search/
> detail/edanmdm:nasm_A20040294044>, but not CC0,

> so the PD proof is important. With some help, I

> found a "memorial" record <https://
> www.sysoon.com/deceased/einar-kverne-35/bio> for

> the artist, I assume (the name is quite rare!);
> it looks like he was quite a young man when the
> poster was created, but not impossible. IF my
> assumption is incorrect, we'll need to correct
> it in the DB. You've probably done the same

> search(es) I have: Google Books hits <https://
> www.google.com/search?
> q=%22einar+kverne%22&num=10&sca_esv=16f09f52f58857e4&udm=36&sxsrf=AE3TifNSo6Sq2jxk22rT5LfzkOkTBqx6WA:1767469719700&ei=l3JZabLGKoehhbIP8cWdiQ8&start=0&sa=N&sstk=Af77f_cw6riq2mL9GhhgwDGXIKR7NEhDce2y6ZN0nmyjgefnlUjDNI1kpNfQYtamg4wtp9hqFDqduiaaTiFtPU2rgtMrWD3Q6j-VZOrogd5bPioGq3-ASMGXAhvqrEjM77GY&ved=2ahUKEwjy7azmkfCRAxWHUEEAHfFiJ_E4ChDy0wN6BAgDEAQ&biw=1280&bih=704&dpr=2> show that in 1971 the American Aviation Historical Society was also searching for him...
>
> I've uploaded it to the DB <https://
> standardebooks.org/artworks/einar-kverne/we> and

> assigned it. If it doesn't pass muster, Alex
> will let us know!
>
> On Saturday, 3 January 2026 at 19:02:23 UTC
> Jason wrote:
>
> For cover art, there was a calendar print of
> Lindbergh's flight. I'm hoping it looks
> "fine art" enough.
> Description: Poster reproduction of a
> painting titled "WE" by Einar Kverne.
> Date: 1927
>
> PD Work: https://www.google.com/books/
> edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?

> hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA419 <https://
> www.google.com/books/edition/
> Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA419>
> Date/pub: https://www.google.com/books/
> edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?
> hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA387 <https://
> www.google.com/books/edition/
> Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA387>
> Source: https://www.loc.gov/resource/
> ppmsca.98176/ <https://www.loc.gov/resource/
> ppmsca.98176/>

>
> Looking for info on Einar Kverne...or the
> original that the print is based on. What
> is in the above links is all I could find.
> Anyway, the PD proof is the poster repro and
> it should match the image.
>
> . . .
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Lukas Bystricky

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Yes sorry, maybe I should have made that more clear. There was just a typo in the commit message to fix, but that's been done now.

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Alex Cabal

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OK, great work Jason, thanks! I've gone ahead and released it.

On 1/15/26 11:09 AM, Lukas Bystricky wrote:
> Yes sorry, maybe I should have made that more clear. There was just a
> typo in the commit message to fix, but that's been done now.
>
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> <mailto:standar...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> Is this ready Lukas?
>
> On 1/14/26 6:34 PM, Jason Livermore wrote:
> > Alex, just making sure this is in your queue. Should be ready for
> release.
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 11, 2026 at 1:22:49 PM UTC-6 Jason Livermore
> wrote:
> >
> > Typo fixed in commit message, it's ready to go.
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 11, 2026 at 12:43:37 AM UTC-6

> > lukasby...@gmail.com <mailto:lukasby...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > One commit message needs to be changed, and after that it's
> > ready for you Alex.
> >
> > On Saturday, January 10, 2026 at 7:26:09 AM UTC+1 Lukas
> > Bystricky wrote:
> >
> > Very nice work Jason on a complicated production. Just a
> > couple small things to look at/consider.
> >
> > On Thursday, January 8, 2026 at 5:16:52 PM UTC+1 Lukas
> > Bystricky wrote:
> >
> > Sounds good. I'll get to that in the next couple
> days.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2026, 03:48 Jason Livermore
> > <jason.l...@gmail.com

> <mailto:jason.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Lukas, this is ready for review.

> > https://github.com/javamanatee/charles-a- <https://github.com/
> javamanatee/charles-a->
> > lindbergh_we <https://github.com/javamanatee/

> <https://github.com/javamanatee/>
> > charles-a-lindbergh_we>
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, January 3, 2026 at 1:53:51 PM UTC-6
> > David wrote:
> >
> > Nice find! My sense of the art is that
> it's at
> > least as "fine art" as some first edition
> covers
> > of 20th C novels that we use.
> >
> > It also appears in a Smithsonian "collection"
> > record <https://collections.si.edu/

> search/ <https://collections.si.edu/search/>

> > detail/edanmdm:nasm_A20040294044>, but
> not CC0,
> > so the PD proof is important. With some
> help, I
> > found a "memorial" record <https://

> > www.sysoon.com/deceased/einar-kverne-35/bio <http://

> www.sysoon.com/deceased/einar-kverne-35/bio>> for
> > the artist, I assume (the name is quite
> rare!);
> > it looks like he was quite a young man
> when the
> > poster was created, but not impossible. IF my
> > assumption is incorrect, we'll need to
> correct
> > it in the DB. You've probably done the same
> > search(es) I have: Google Books hits
> <https://

> > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>?

> >
> q=%22einar+kverne%22&num=10&sca_esv=16f09f52f58857e4&udm=36&sxsrf=AE3TifNSo6Sq2jxk22rT5LfzkOkTBqx6WA:1767469719700&ei=l3JZabLGKoehhbIP8cWdiQ8&start=0&sa=N&sstk=Af77f_cw6riq2mL9GhhgwDGXIKR7NEhDce2y6ZN0nmyjgefnlUjDNI1kpNfQYtamg4wtp9hqFDqduiaaTiFtPU2rgtMrWD3Q6j-VZOrogd5bPioGq3-ASMGXAhvqrEjM77GY&ved=2ahUKEwjy7azmkfCRAxWHUEEAHfFiJ_E4ChDy0wN6BAgDEAQ&biw=1280&bih=704&dpr=2> show that in 1971 the American Aviation Historical Society was also searching for him...
> >
> > I've uploaded it to the DB <https://

> > standardebooks.org/artworks/einar-kverne/we <http://

> standardebooks.org/artworks/einar-kverne/we>> and
> > assigned it. If it doesn't pass muster, Alex
> > will let us know!
> >
> > On Saturday, 3 January 2026 at 19:02:23 UTC
> > Jason wrote:
> >
> > For cover art, there was a calendar
> print of
> > Lindbergh's flight. I'm hoping it looks
> > "fine art" enough.
> > Description: Poster reproduction of a
> > painting titled "WE" by Einar Kverne.
> > Date: 1927
> >
> > PD Work: https://www.google.com/

> books/ <https://www.google.com/books/>
> > edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?
> > hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA419 <https://
> > www.google.com/books/edition/ <http://www.google.com/books/edition/>

> > Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?
> hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA419>
> > Date/pub: https://www.google.com/

> books/ <https://www.google.com/books/>
> > edition/Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?
> > hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA387 <https://
> > www.google.com/books/edition/ <http://www.google.com/books/edition/>

> > Printing_Art/733nAAAAMAAJ?
> hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA387>
> > Source: https://www.loc.gov/resource/

> <https://www.loc.gov/resource/>
> > ppmsca.98176/ <https://www.loc.gov/
> resource/ <https://www.loc.gov/resource/>

> > ppmsca.98176/>
> >
> > Looking for info on Einar Kverne...or the
> > original that the print is based on.
> What
> > is in the above links is all I could
> find.
> > Anyway, the PD proof is the poster
> repro and
> > it should match the image.
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