Re: [sage-devel] web site from cocalc but in our domain

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Dima Pasechnik

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Apr 25, 2023, 3:23:10 AM4/25/23
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, 07:09 Frédéric Chapoton, <fchap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I have recently found:
which seems to be advertisment for cocalc.

Is this something we allowed ?

IMHO it should be taken down. We do mention cocalc as a way to run Sage in our docs, but this one is a set too far - the kind of advertising I personally find annoying.


Dima

Frédéric

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Kwankyu Lee

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Apr 25, 2023, 3:36:01 AM4/25/23
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+1. It seems a redirect.

David Joyner

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Apr 25, 2023, 4:45:45 AM4/25/23
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 3:23 AM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, 07:09 Frédéric Chapoton, <fchap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I have recently found:
which seems to be advertisment for cocalc.

Is this something we allowed ?

IMHO it should be taken down. We do mention cocalc as a way to run Sage in our docs, but this one is a set too far - the kind of advertising I personally find annoying.


I don't understand the issue.

The site cocalc.com has been a link in the upper right-hand corner of 
the main SageMath webpage for quite some time. Wouldn't that, which 
*can* be construed as an ad, be the thing that annoys you and Frederic 
more? 

I would think the annoying thing wouldn't be the implicit ad for cocalc
(which BTW doesn't bother me) but that cocalc.com doesn't appear 
to link back to the SageMath main site. At least, I couldn't find it in
a quick perusal.

 Just seeking clarity, out of curiosity.


Dima

Frédéric

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Dima Pasechnik

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Apr 25, 2023, 4:59:41 AM4/25/23
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, 09:45 David Joyner, <wdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 3:23 AM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, 07:09 Frédéric Chapoton, <fchap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I have recently found:
which seems to be advertisment for cocalc.

Is this something we allowed ?

IMHO it should be taken down. We do mention cocalc as a way to run Sage in our docs, but this one is a set too far - the kind of advertising I personally find annoying.


I don't understand the issue.

The site cocalc.com has been a link in the upper right-hand corner of 
the main SageMath webpage for quite some time. Wouldn't that, which 
*can* be construed as an ad, be the thing that annoys you and Frederic 
more? 

the misnaming of the host (how is sage.sagemath.org is relevant to cocalc, besides the latter offering to run Sage for you, and William's ties to Sage ?) is one of the ways the *predator* advertising is operating.

This is the primary reason for me to have it removed.




I would think the annoying thing wouldn't be the implicit ad for cocalc
(which BTW doesn't bother me) but that cocalc.com doesn't appear 
to link back to the SageMath main site. At least, I couldn't find it in
a quick perusal.

 Just seeking clarity, out of curiosity.


Dima

Frédéric

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dmo...@deductivepress.ca

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Apr 25, 2023, 5:00:41 AM4/25/23
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FYI: There is a link to https://www.sagemath.org/ on the cocalc homepage.  It is near the bottom, in the section of "Available Tools" under the sagemath logo and the title Sage Worksheets: "Sage Worksheets are similar to Jupyter Notebooks, but made to work well with SageMath. They offer a single-document model that scales to large documents and integrated 3d graphics."

David Joyner

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Apr 25, 2023, 5:02:17 AM4/25/23
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 5:00 AM dmo...@deductivepress.ca <dmo...@deductivepress.ca> wrote:
FYI: There is a link to https://www.sagemath.org/ on the cocalc homepage.  It is near the bottom, in the section of "Available Tools" under the sagemath logo and the title Sage Worksheets: "Sage Worksheets are similar to Jupyter Notebooks, but made to work well with SageMath. They offer a single-document model that scales to large documents and integrated 3d graphics."


Thanks, I missed that.
 

Dima Pasechnik

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Apr 25, 2023, 5:50:47 AM4/25/23
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:45 AM David Joyner <wdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 3:23 AM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, 07:09 Frédéric Chapoton, <fchap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have recently found:
>>> https://sage.sagemath.org/
>>> which seems to be advertisment for cocalc.

it used to be just a link to cocalc:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211021215731/https://sage.sagemath.org/
(dated Oct 2021 - Harald, was it the time it was created ?)
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Harald Schilly

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Apr 25, 2023, 6:11:32 AM4/25/23
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 11:50 AM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have recently found:
>>> https://sage.sagemath.org/
>>> which seems to be advertisment for cocalc.

it used to be just a link to cocalc:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211021215731/https://sage.sagemath.org/
(dated Oct 2021 - Harald, was it the time it was created ?)

I don't know when this was created. What you see in the web archive is somewhat what the cocalc website was. It has changed since then. Regarding DNS: as you can see via dig, it's a cname to wstein.org:

$ dig sage.sagemath.org
[...]
;; ANSWER SECTION:
sage.sagemath.org. 295 IN CNAME wstein.org.

which isn't working as intended. I deleted the entry. There is certainly more in *.sagemath.org that could be cleaned up.

-- Harald


 

Emmanuel Charpentier

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Apr 25, 2023, 6:27:29 AM4/25/23
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As of Apr 25, 2023 10:24 UTC, this address cant’be found by a browser using .opendns.org nor by linux’s host :

charpent@zen-book-flip:/usr/local/sage-10$ host sage.sagemath.org Host sage.sagemath.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Is that the intended result ?

HTH,

​

Karan Handa

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Apr 25, 2023, 6:34:24 AM4/25/23
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 3:57 PM Emmanuel Charpentier <emanuel.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

As of Apr 25, 2023 10:24 UTC, this address cant’be found by a browser using .opendns.org nor by linux’s host :

charpent@zen-book-flip:/usr/local/sage-10$ host sage.sagemath.org Host sage.sagemath.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Is that the intended result ?

Yeah harald deleted it.
 

HTH,

Le mardi 25 avril 2023 à 12:11:32 UTC+2, Harald Schilly a écrit :
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 11:50 AM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have recently found:
>>> https://sage.sagemath.org/
>>> which seems to be advertisment for cocalc.

it used to be just a link to cocalc:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211021215731/https://sage.sagemath.org/
(dated Oct 2021 - Harald, was it the time it was created ?)

I don't know when this was created. What you see in the web archive is somewhat what the cocalc website was. It has changed since then. Regarding DNS: as you can see via dig, it's a cname to wstein.org:

$ dig sage.sagemath.org
[...]
;; ANSWER SECTION:
sage.sagemath.org. 295 IN CNAME wstein.org.

which isn't working as intended. I deleted the entry. There is certainly more in *.sagemath.org that could be cleaned up.

-- Harald


 

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