MS-356 Pendrive

[Ricardo Aguiar]

Hello, 

the MS-356 it can copy the internal memory and move to pendrive? Example. Memory Internal 18.5 I want to copy it to the pendrive. Could anyone help me?

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[noel jones]

Would you like an owners manual

That explains this?

Noel Jones, AAGO

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[Ricardo Aguiar]

Noel,

I did not found this information in the manual. Only I found that it is possible to copy from flash drive to internal memory. And not the internal memory to the flash drive. Maybe I have not found this information in the manual, so I asked help if anyone knows chance.

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[Noel jones]

A flash drive is a pen drive.

[Noel jones]

Memory Devices - Rodgers Memory Card/USB Flash Drive

In addition to the internal memory of the organ’s combination action, your instrument is also equipped with a memory card or USB flash drive. This feature provides the ability to store all registrations (in multiple memory levels), Crescendo, Tutti and other settings in a removable memory card or to a USB flash drive. These devices are convenient to carry and allow you to keep your favorite registrations and organ settings with you.

When the memory card or flash drive is inserted, the organ uses it for storage of piston contents and numerous other parameters, such as Tutti registrations, Crescendo sequences, Tremulant settings and even lamp levels. When the card or flash drive is removed, its contents are protected from further changes.

This is of tremendous value in situations where more than one organist has access to the console. If a number of organists play the instrument regularly, each can maintain their own settings - independent of the console’s internal memory. When they play the instrument, they can insert their own memory card or flash drive and have instant access to their own favorite registrations and preferred Tutti, Crescendo and Tremulant controls. When finished, they can take their settings with them and not worry about someone else changing them by accident. What’s more, the organ uses its internal memory whenever a memory device is not inserted. This means that a visiting organist who does not have a memory card or flash drive can still use the organ’s internal memory for piston storage.

Many of the functions of a memory device are accessible via the Console display; however, the screens only appear if a memory device is inserted in the slot. After inserting the device, turn the Select Knob to move between selections in this display and turn the Alpha Dial to change the value in a selection. The memory device slot is usually located on the right drawknob/tab panel, the coupler/tab rail, or the right switch panel.

Inserting a Memory Card or Flash Drive

To insert a memory device so that it can be used:

1. Insert the memory card firmly in the slot with the gold contacts facing down. The red LED adjacent to the card reader slot will light for a few seconds as the contents of the card are loaded into the organ.

2. The organ’s display will show the “Memory Folder” screen.

   OR

1. Insert a flash drive into the USB port. 17

2. The organ’s display will show the “Memory Folder” screen.

Saving to a Memory Device

A memory device which has never been inserted in a Rodgers organ contains no combination memories. As long as an empty device is inserted in the Rodgers organ, the organ uses the internal memory when recalling pistons. As soon as pistons are saved to the ‘current folder’ on the device, however, the organ will access that piston data from the device rather than the internal memory.

Saving registrations to a memory device

To save registrations to a memory device:

1. Select the desired memory level by pressing pistons M1, M2, M3, etc., or

   select the memory level using M+ or M -.

2. Set any piston in the normal manner.

The piston will be saved to the memory device, along with all other pistons in the active memory level.

! To save internal memory settings to your Memory device without changing any piston settings, press a piston to recall its combination; then hold SET, and press the same piston again. This will transfer the internal memory to the memory device.

The contents of the entire memory level (all pistons) have now been copied to the memory device. Because the device now contains a copy of the currently selected memory, the device memory is now used instead of the internal memory from this point. Setting a piston now affects only the device memory and not the console internal memory. This is true until a different memory level is selected or until the device is removed. It is important to remember the following points:

1. When a memory device is in its slot, any memory levels existing on the device replace the corresponding instrument console internal memory, which is temporarily suspended.

2. Setting any piston while a device is inserted will copy the current memory level to the memory device if it did not already exist on the card. The memory device must be removed in order to be able to set pistons in a console internal memory level.

3. When a memory select piston (M1, M2, M3, etc. is pressed and held, or the level is selected using the M+ or M- while in the “Memory Card” screen, a message momentarily appears in the Console Display indicating whether the internal memory or the memory device is being used for that specific memory level.

! The “Memory Card” screen shows the quantity of memory levels in a folder, not the specific memory level on the card. Thus, “M:2” appearing in the display shows there are two memory levels stored on the card, but does not imply it is memory

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level 2. In this case, it could be Memories 9 and 12 that are actually stored on the card (i.e., two memory levels total).

! If an internal memory is accidentally copied to the memory device, or if a memory level is to be removed on the memory device so the internal memory can be used instead, you can delete that memory level from the memory device.

Memory Card/USB Folders

The capacity of an external memory device is much greater than that of the organ’s internal combination memory. In order to make easy use of this additional capacity, Rodgers uses the concept of memory folders. Like a file folder, a memory folder is used to store groups of information on the memory device. Each folder can contain a copy of each console memory level, plus a copy of the Crescendo sequence, Tutti and other settings. Folders on a memory device are labeled A through Z.

This means that a single device can contain up to 26 different copies of all Memory Levels, Crescendo Sequences, Tutti and other console settings, giving you tremendous storage capability.

When a memory card/USB flash drive is first used, it is initialized to use Folder A. This folder is used until a new folder is selected. The selected folder is then ‘remembered’ when the device is removed and selectively loaded when it is later reinserted.

Selecting a Memory Card/USB Folder

You have the opportunity to select a memory device folder whenever a card is inserted into the instrument.

To select a Memory Device Folder:

1. If no memory device is currently inserted in the instrument, insert the device using procedure outlined previously and go to step 3.

2. If a memory device is already inserted, use the following procedure to get to the device screen:

   • Press QUICK MENU and rotate the Select Knob to select Memory Card or USB in the display.

   • Press QUICK MENU again to select and display the device screen.

3. Rotate the Alpha Dial until the desired folder appears in the display. Folders

   are labeled A through Z.

The registrations in each folder are completely independent. For example, each folder can contain its own pistons, Tuttis, and Crescendo sequences.

The memory device display shows the number of memory levels the folder contains and if a Crescendo sequence(s) and Tutti(s) are stored. If a folder has nothing in it, the second line displays EMPTY.

! Some organ settings are contained only in the root directory of the memory device. See “Storing Additional Settings on a Memory Device” on page 20.

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Storing Crescendo Sequences and Tutti Settings on a Memory Device

In addition to the combination memory levels, the memory device can also store copies of Standard and Alternate Crescendo sequences and Tutti. If a Crescendo or Tutti set operation is performed while the memory device is inserted, the new Crescendo sequence or Tutti is stored on the device rather than in the internal memory. Like the combination memory levels, Crescendo sequences and/or Tutti stored on a memory device automatically become active whenever the card is inserted in the slot.

The memory device screen will display which Crescendo sequences and Tutti, if any, are stored in the active folder on the device.

SC = “Standard Crescendo”
OC = “Orchestral Crescendo” (if the

instrument has dual Crescendo Option)

TUT = Tutti (if only one Tutti) TUT I = Tutti I
TUT II = Tutti II

Deleting a Crescendo Sequence from a Memory Device

To remove a Crescendo sequence from a memory device:

1. Select the Standard Crescendo sequence to be deleted.

2. Once the desired Crescendo is selected, depending on model, hold General Cancel (0) and press CRESC or press GT-PD UNENCL. A message appears in the Console Display confirming deletion of the stored Crescendo sequence from the memory device.

Deleting a Tutti Sequence from a Memory Device

To remove Tutti from a memory device:

1. Press and hold General Cancel (0).

2. While continuing to hold General Cancel (0), press TUTTI. A message appears in the Console Display confirming deletion of the corresponding Tutti from the memory device.

! Crescendos and Tutti must be unlocked before they can be deleted from a memory device. Once a Crescendo or Tutti has been deleted from the memory device, the corresponding internal Crescendo or Tutti immediately becomes active.

Storing Additional Settings on a Memory Device

Several additional settings can also be stored on a memory device. Changing any of these settings causes all of them to be moved to the device (if, of course, they were not previously stored on the device). The settings stored on the device automatically take effect when the device is inserted. Depending on model, the settings stored on the memory device are:

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Temperament	Master Tuning Lock Status
Melody Note Range	Bass Coupler Note Range
Voice Palette selections	Voice Palette Lock status
PD/GT Coupler status	Tremulant Adjustments
Valve Release	Random Tuning
Wind Stabilizer status	Console Lamp Intensity
Shutter Thickness	MIDI Stop Change Send/Receive Enable
Audio Map Definitions	MIDI Coupler default parameters
Room Model Settings	(PC/MSB/LSB, reverb, volume, etc.)

Deleting Additional Settings from a Memory Device

To delete these additional settings from a Memory Device:

1. Press and hold General Cancel (0), then press SET momentarily. A message appears in the Console Display indicating the settings have been deleted from the device.

Deleting a Memory Level from a Memory Device

To delete an entire memory level from a Memory Device:

1. Depending on model, press and hold General Cancel (0) and press the

   corresponding piston for the memory level to be deleted (M1, M2, M3, etc.) OR

   Press and hold SET and press M+ or M- to the desired memory level. Then press and hold General Cancel (0) and press the M+ and M- pistons simultaneously.

2. A message appears in the display confirming the memory level has been deleted from the memory device.

! Once a memory level has been deleted from the memory device, the corresponding internal memory level immediately becomes active. 

[Ricardo Aguiar]

Noel,

thank you so much. my doubts was answered !!

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[Noel jones]

The owner’s manual for this organ was during a transition period in which the new person creating manuals left out a whole lot of very important things and there is as a result a second ADVANCED FUNCTIONS owners manual.

If churches filled out their warranty cards, which almost never ever happens, they could be informed of things like this.

Everyone, did your church send their in?

noel

[Walter Greenwood]

The use of the word "drive", inherited from spinning disk technology, to describe a USB-connectable memory module (with no moving parts) is pretty ridiculous, but it persists. We "dial" numbers, and "hang up" on our cell phones, too.

WG

[Noel jones]

Has anyone from Rodgers ever asked you how you like your Rodgers and what could done differently that might improve the organ for future purchasers?

Just wondering.

noel

[boz...@frontier.com]

Nope.

On the other hand, I made a solid oak shelf to mount my MX-200 underneath the manuals. After inquiring about the stain to use to match my console, they had me ship it to Oregon where it was stained (and sanded, again) to perfectly match the organ. Beautiful.

 

John J. Bozzola

“When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money.”  — Native American Saying

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[Edward Stephen Cumming]

Now that is what I call great customer service John Bozzola! 

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[Edward Stephen Cumming]

Old habits die hard sometimes, don't they Walter? <LOL>

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Walter Greenwood <walterg...@gmail.com> wrote:

The use of the word "drive", inherited from spinning disk technology, to describe a USB-connectable memory module (with no moving parts) is pretty ridiculous, but it persists. We "dial" numbers, and "hang up" on our cell phones, too.

WG

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[Ron Pearcy]

A very good query Noel ... I have owned 4x Rodgers (3x new) and have never had the opportunity of providing feedback to the factory ... ... Cheers Ron.


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[Noel jones]

What acts of kindness have you experienced with people from Rodgers over the years?

noel

[Elsie Wach]

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[Richard Wildhirt]

Back in 1996, Mark Huth, a classmate of mine from Concordia University (Portland) who worked for Rodgers, gave me a tour of the factory. I was in heaven! It was great to see the inner workings of the company and the quality that goes into every product.

Richard Wildhirt, organist

St. Luke's Church, Federal Way, WA

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What acts of kindness have you experienced with people from Rodgers over the years?

noel

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[Richard Wildhirt]

Add multi-track recording to the play/record feature on the organs.

Richard Wildhirt, organist

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Rodgers 940 (c.1997)

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[Ron Pearcy]

Agreed Richard ... Mark Huth was special ... I was considering buying the Rdgrs 360 TO at the time just after its release ... He advised 'go for it' and sent me a superb complementary copy of a Rdgrs360 recording he had on hand ... He was a gentleman and kind ... I purchased the 360  as a result ... As said, Mark Huth was special!!!

Cheers Ron. 

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[Janette Schroeder]

Yes, I agree.... I have asked for multi-track recording capabilities since 2009.

Janette Schroeder

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[Noel jones]

Multi-track.

Requires a much bigger window.

There are very inexpensive programs for the iPad and other small devices that so this.

noel

[James Hockin]

You might want to try Cakewalk Home Studio for multi-track.

JIm Hockin

Rodgers MN and WI

[Noel jones]

Jim,

Cakewalk is a very powerful program and it will more than do the job.

But simple it’s not, unless someone wants to write an extensive guide on how to use it with the Rodgers organ.

While it was part of Roland for awhile and we could sell it to customers, it was presented, as a solution without an explanation how to use it.

It is and was the days of the PR-300 all over again. Great product, extensive manual that was very unfriendly to the end user then and now.

With these simple programs on a mobile device you can have your cake and not require hours to figure out how ti eat it.

Cakewalk may have had two meanings, because it was not a cakewalk to run.

A simple search for multitrack midi iPad:

http://www.multitrackstudio.com/ipad.php

And that’s just the first one that appeared.

noel

[Clay Baker]

My concern with recording onto an iPad would be microphone quality and very limited direct connect options.

Clay

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[Janette Schroeder]

I have Cakewalk and have used it.... but simple it is not.

And the connectivity between the computer and MX-200 and Rodgers organ is often problematic too.

I want something simple.... like the multi-track recording capabilities I have on my Yamaha Clavinova at home.

Push a couple buttons and BOOM... done.

Janette Schroeder

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[Noel jones]

Can you see and edit the tracks on the clavoinova screen?

noel

[Janette Schroeder]

no.... but I do little if any editing.

If it isn't recorded correctly the first time........ I just re-record.

It's much easier to do it that way.

I'm low tech  :)

Janette Schroeder

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Can you see and edit the tracks on  the clavoinova screen?

noel

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[Janette Schroeder]

actually... come to think of it.   I think it IS possible to edit on the Clav.

I just never use that feature.

Janette Schroeder

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[Noel jones]

So it just let’s you choose a track and record…neat!

noel

[Janette Schroeder]

yes.... I love it.

And, Noel, I'm still having trouble getting your flash drive to play on the Allegiant at church.  If you remember, the SMF1 vs SMF0 issue.

After the first of the year I'll get back to working on that to try and resolve the problems.

Janette Schroeder

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So it just let’s you choose a track and record…neat!

noel

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[Noel jones]

Jeanette,

Just send me a few of the files that you have recorded on the organ and I will determine the type 1 or 0 and figure out what is going on.

Thanks!

noel

[James Hockin]

Hi Noel - yes I do agree with what you said about Cakewalk. I attended a class in Hillsboro on how to use Cakewalk and it was something you had to constantly review and study. I enjoyed using it but now it seems overwhelming! Frankly, I liked the PR-300 because you could keep merging tracks up to 16 I think??? Anyway I will check out the link. Thanks for the information. I find myself so busy with the 500 series and the Infinity that it seems like multi-track as disappeared in my life at this time. But oh what fun to complete a sequence after hours of work!! THANKS!

Jim Hockin

Rodgers of Minneapolis, Minnesota, and western Wisconsin :-)

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Hello, 

the MS-356 it can copy the internal memory and move to pendrive? Example. Memory Internal 18.5 I want to copy it to the pendrive. Could anyone help me?

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