replacing my old B+M dyno light with what?

[j.schwartz]

I have an old Busch & Muller Lumotec Cyo dynolight from about 2012.  It was one of the earlier LED headlights with a good beam at the time but it was eclipsed by newer models basically every year.  Still, it's been a great light for my purposes all these years.  I'm going to replace it on my main touring bike and it will still be used but on a different bike.

Curious what others are using and liking,.  I don't need or want to buy the latest and greatest...i.e. most expensive dyno light out there.  Just looking for an updated high quality light for mixed terrain p.m. riding both in town and out.

The same goes for my rear B+M toplight.  

thank you

[Peter White]

The IQ CYO Premium has a beam about twice as wide, about ⅓ again brighter, and much taller than your headlight. Build quality is the same, and they look almost identical. The taller beam gives you light much closer to the bike with the top of the beam aimed the same distance away. The wider beam gives you a much wider view of the road ahead, which I find helpful on a fast descent on back roads with no overhead lighting. The older CYO gives you more of the feeling that you're riding through a tunnel, but you aren't really sure how wide the tunnel is. But on the flats, or on urban roads with street lamps overhead, the wider beam makes no difference. The taller beam really helps in urban riding as you're more likely to see a pothole or detritus on the road. The ⅓ brighter beam helps a bit when riding in the rain, as the wet road surface doesn't reflect as much light back to you as a dry surface does. But the difference in brightness isn't dramatic, so I hesitate to give that was a reason to upgrade.

Peter White

Peter White Cycles

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[Ian A]

The Spanniga Axendo 60 is based on the design of the Phillips Saferide.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Spanninga-Axendo-60-Xdas-standlight-automatic-DRL-dynohub-bike-headlamp-/283498566248?nav=SEARCH

I have two Saferide 60 dynamo lights in service and they are good. The Spanniga Axendo 60 would be on my list if I needed a replacement. I haven't used the Axendo personally.

IanA

[Eric Norris]

I’m sure you’ll get lots of responses … here’s mine:

I like the Busch&Müller IQ-X headlight. Very bright with a nice beam pattern that lights up enough road to comfortably ride at daytime speeds. Not as jewel-like as the Schmidt Edelux, but less expensive:

https://www.bumm.de/en/products/dynamo-scheinwerfer/produkt/164rtsndi-01-schwarz-164rtsndi-silber%20.html 

The standard IQ-X is can also be mounted so the light is either above or below the mounting point (their newest version, the IQ-XS, can only be mounted over the attachment point). With the Edelux, you need to but a special version to mount it below the attachment point.

I have both types of lights on different bikes, and in truth they all do a great job. It’s really a question of how much you want to spend. Peter White sells the Edelux for $178-192, depending on color and the type of wiring attached. The IQ-x is $163 from Peter White. The IQ-XS, which is not quite as bright as the IQ-X (according to Peter White) is $105.

Regarding your taillight—I have the same unit, and I love it. What is wrong with it that you would like to change, other than perhaps upgrading to the Toplight Plus, which adds a brake light function (the LEDs pulse when you slow down, to attract the attention of cyclists or motorists behind you).

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[Peter White]

I was importing that light from Philips years ago. It was a pretty good light at the time, comparable to the original CYO. but it would certainly not be an upgrade from the CYO. I haven't imported the Axendo from Spanninga. One issue with it is the non-standard interface between the light housing and its mount. If the standard mount fits your bike, all well and good. But if for example you have a cantilever brake in front, there's no mount available for the Axendo/Philips without bending one of the Busch & Müller mounts to fit.

Peter White

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[j.schwartz]

Thanks Peter

Given that the price for the Cyo Premium and the newer IQ-XS are essentially the same, how does one make the choice of one over the other?

Jason 

Also re: the toplight...I'm not necessarily looking to change it..I just need to purchase another rear dyno light for a different bike and since I'm moving the old Cyo , I thought I'd move my old Toplight and "upgrade" it as well.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 2:02:04 PM UTC-4, Peter White wrote:

I was importing that light from Philips years ago. It was a pretty good light at the time, comparable to the original CYO. but it would certainly not be an upgrade from the CYO. I haven't imported the Axendo from Spanninga. One issue with it is the non-standard interface between the light housing and its mount. If the standard mount fits your bike, all well and good. But if for example you have a cantilever brake in front, there's no mount available for the Axendo/Philips without bending one of the Busch & Müller mounts to fit.

Peter White

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 11:49 AM Ian A <atte...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Spanniga Axendo 60 is based on the design of the Phillips Saferide.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Spanninga-Axendo-60-Xdas-standlight-automatic-DRL-dynohub-bike-headlamp-/283498566248?nav=SEARCH

I have two Saferide 60 dynamo lights in service and they are good. The Spanniga Axendo 60 would be on my list if I needed a replacement. I haven't used the Axendo personally.

IanA

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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:09 PM j.schwartz <jasonas...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Peter

Given that the price for the Cyo Premium and the newer IQ-XS are essentially the same, how does one make the choice of one over the other?

Jason 

Good question. The CYO Premium beam is clearly better than the IQ-XS. It's wider, it more evenly illuminates the road surface, and it's a bit brighter. I don't know of a bicycle headlight with a better beam than the CYO Premium. The Schmidt headlight has the same shape of beam since it uses the same mirror. It's just a bit brighter at 90 lux vs 80 lux.

The IQ-XS has an anodized aluminum housing that is really quite attractive. It's for the rider who wants a good headlight for that once a month ride home after dark when working late, and wants the headlight to look really good on the bike. Think IQ-X or Schmidt Edelux on a budget. The CYO Premium is for the rider who couldn't care less what the headlight looks like and just wants the best headlight beam for the money.

 

Also re: the toplight...I'm not necessarily looking to change it..I just need to purchase another rear dyno light for a different bike and since I'm moving the old Cyo , I thought I'd move my old Toplight and "upgrade" it as well.

"Toplight" is in the name of all rack mount taillights made by Busch & Müller since at least the early 1990s. There's Toplight Plus, Toplight XS Plus, Toplight Mini, Toplight Line, Toplight View, etc. So you need to tell me which Toplight you have, and then I can give you a recommendation for an upgrade. If the name has worn off, just post a photo.

Peter White

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[steve]

Peter,

For an quick release wiring solution with a SON hub and B&M Cyo, do you recommend a co-axial adapter solution or dynasnaps? With the double strand wiring from B&M, which is easier to fabricate together?

[masmojo]

Well, I've got too many bikes and almost all of them have dynamo hubs w/lights so although I don't have the knowledge of Peter I know what works.
I think an important factor would be what type of riding you do? If you are mostly going to be touring I think the Edelux is the bad boy or maybe the Sinewave.
For strictly offroad the Sinewave or Supernova.
Around town commuting I've noticed if I am running a light brighter than 70 Lux oncoming cars flash their lights at me and 70ish Lux is more then enough in an urban environment were there's other ambient light.
I've used an early Supernova, B&Ms' Eyc, Cyo & IQ-XS. I've also used some cheaper lights by Panasonic & Spanniga, but I wouldn't recommend them.
There's an Asian light I like a lot that I've gotten off Ebay, I don't know what the name is, but it has a metal housing & costs about 40 bucks. It's about 40 or 50Lux & doesn't have a stand light, but I like it because I don't need to worry much about it on my "around town" bikes and it's sturdy enough for offroad.
All things considered I would say the best light is the B&M IQ-XS.
Plenty bright, nice light pattern, beautiful construction and not too expensive although the price has gone up enough on them so that maybe you might as well bump up to theIQ-X for $58. More!?
I have 3 of the IQ-XS; most I bought for around $85. They've gone up about 20 bucks since then.