how to use app-shutdown-idle

[lik...@gmx.de]

Hi!

According to https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782 the script "app-shutdown-idle" is included in the latest stable templates.
How to enable/use it? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any documentation in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle to use it.

Best, Pete

[Thierry Laurion]

"The mechanism is opt-in - enable shutdown-idle service in qube settings to use it."

Which litterally means what it says.

Best, Pete

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[lik...@gmx.de]

On 5/1/19 4:38 AM, Thierry Laurion wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 04:36 , <liked2-Mm...@public.gmane.org <mailto:lik...@gmx.de>> wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> According to https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782 the script "app-shutdown-idle" is included in the latest stable templates.
> How to enable/use it? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any documentation in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle to use it.
>
> "The mechanism is opt-in - enable |shutdown-idle| service in qube settings to use it."
> Which litterally means what it says.

[dom0]$ qvm-service --enable AppVmName shutdown-idle
did not the trick. The vms stay running even if all windows are closed. Additionally, I couldn't find anywhere the setting 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor' mentioned in the second link to adjust the timeout.

Any help how to do and where to enable it is appreciated.

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On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:19 AM, <lik...@gmx.de> wrote:

> On 5/1/19 4:38 AM, Thierry Laurion wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 04:36 , <liked2-Mm...@public.gmane.org mailto:lik...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > According to https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782 the script "app-shutdown-idle" is included in the latest stable templates.
> > How to enable/use it? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any documentation in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle to use it.
> >
> >
> > "The mechanism is opt-in - enable |shutdown-idle| service in qube settings to use it."
> > Which litterally means what it says.
>
> [dom0]$ qvm-service --enable AppVmName shutdown-idle
> did not the trick. The vms stay running even if all windows are closed. Additionally, I couldn't find anywhere the setting 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor' mentioned in the second link to adjust the timeout.
>
> Any help how to do and where to enable it is appreciated.
>

Hi,
(more or less) same problem here. On my laptop shutdown-idle only works with Fedora-based VMs. It has never worked with Debian/Whonix-based VMs.

If somebody could help that would be great.

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[unman]

On Thu, May 02, 2019 at 09:55:17AM +0000, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:19 AM, <lik...@gmx.de> wrote:
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> > On 5/1/19 4:38 AM, Thierry Laurion wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 04:36 , <liked2-Mm...@public.gmane.org mailto:lik...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > According to https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782 the script "app-shutdown-idle" is included in the latest stable templates.
> > > How to enable/use it? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any documentation in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle to use it.
> > >
> > >
> > > "The mechanism is opt-in - enable |shutdown-idle| service in qube settings to use it."
> > > Which litterally means what it says.
> >
> > [dom0]$ qvm-service --enable AppVmName shutdown-idle
> > did not the trick. The vms stay running even if all windows are closed. Additionally, I couldn't find anywhere the setting 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor' mentioned in the second link to adjust the timeout.
> >
> > Any help how to do and where to enable it is appreciated.
> >
>
> Hi,
> (more or less) same problem here. On my laptop shutdown-idle only works with Fedora-based VMs. It has never worked with Debian/Whonix-based VMs.
>
> If somebody could help that would be great.
>
>

It was a known bug in Debian templates, and the package was built in
testing. Try updating to testing packages.

[qubeslover]

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Hello unman and thanks for your reply.

I am not sure I understand what you mean (sorry). Should I update my Debian template to buster in order to get shutdown-idle working? Or what else?

Thanks

[lik...@gmx.de]

On 5/2/19 10:55 AM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:19 AM, <liked2-Mm...@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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>> On 5/1/19 4:38 AM, Thierry Laurion wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 04:36 , <liked2-Mmb7MZpHnFY-X...@public.gmane.org mailto:liked2-Mm...@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> According to https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782 the script "app-shutdown-idle" is included in the latest stable templates.
>>> How to enable/use it? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any documentation in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle to use it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "The mechanism is opt-in - enable |shutdown-idle| service in qube settings to use it."
>>> Which litterally means what it says.
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>> [dom0]$ qvm-service --enable AppVmName shutdown-idle
>> did not the trick. The vms stay running even if all windows are closed. Additionally, I couldn't find anywhere the setting 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor' mentioned in the second link to adjust the timeout.
>>
>> Any help how to do and where to enable it is appreciated.
>>
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> Hi,
> (more or less) same problem here. On my laptop shutdown-idle only works with Fedora-based VMs. It has never worked with Debian/Whonix-based VMs.

Could you describe please in a bit more detail how you enable this service. For me the commandline above does not work even for Fedora templates. The questions are as following:
1. which commandline do you use to enable it?
2. Does the service setting apply to a running AppVm or do I have to restart it to be enabled?
3. where can I find the timeout property 'qubesidle.idleness_monitor'?
4. Is the service setting a persistent setting or do I need an autostart script in dom0 for that?

[qubeslover]

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Hi,
1. In a fedora-29 template type "sudo dnf install qubes-idle"

2. Create a fedora-29 based VM (let's call it "shutdown", it is just a test)

3. Shutdown's "Qubes Setting" -> Services -> Type shutdown-idle in the bar and click on +

4. Open a terminal in the Qube we called 'shutdown' and close it.

4b. If you want to check that qubes-idle-watcher is running type in the terminal ps aux | grep qubes-idle-watcher : you should see something like this running:

user 764 0.3 1.6 243856 25340 ? S 13:07 0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/qubes-idle-watcher

5. Close the terminal in the qubes.

6. After 15 minutes (without any windows open) the qubes 'shutdown' should automatically shutdown :-)

This works just perfectly in fedora-based VMs but it is not working in Debian/Whomix-based VMs.

Cheers

[lik...@gmx.de]

On 5/4/19 12:13 PM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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> On Friday, May 3, 2019 8:27 PM, <liked2-Mm...@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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>> On 5/2/19 10:55 AM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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Qubeslover, thank you very much for the detailled explanation. I managed it to enable! Now, I'm a qubeslover-lover. :)

Btw. I looked again through the docs and cannot find any places from which I could collect the knowledge you provided here. Only URLs regarding this topic I could find are:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/qubes-service/
https://github.com/QubesOS/updates-status/issues/782
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-app-shutdown-idle

Am I missing an important source for docs or is this (simply) "advanced qubes experience"?

@Andrew: I could create a manual for this. Where to put it best?

[qubeslover]

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Glad it has been helpful. I have a question. Have you managed to run shutdown-idle in a Fedora-based VM? Or in a Debian-based one? In this latter, if I type 'ps aux | grep qubes' I notice the the process 'qubes-idle-watcher' is not running (and even if I launch it manually it does not work).

Cheers

[lik...@gmx.de]

On 5/10/19 11:30 AM, 'qubeslover' via qubes-users wrote:
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> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:17 PM, <liked2-Mm...@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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It runs for Fedora-based VMs like a charm. In Debian I encounter the same like described by you: this process is not running.
I haven't tried the testing packages as proposed by unman.