Hackintosh

[Gunther J. Kibelkstis]

Dear

For testing, I installed Mac OSX + Qlab in Virtual machine (Hackintosh).

I could not make out sound using MOTU interface (driver installed etc).

I also tried Soundflower, but to no avail.

Can someone help me?

Thank you

[Christopher Ashworth]

Hi Gunther, 

Thanks for your question!

For learning purposes it certainly makes sense to run QLab on whatever you have available.  

However Figure 53 isn't able to support QLab on hackintoshes and we strongly warn against trying to use them for any actual show purposes. One reason is what you've encountered here: device drivers interact at low levels with the operating system and virtual machines or hackintoshes may have unpredictable behavior or just plain not work.

Alas I don't know if there is a way fix this for your testing purposes. Might be! I just don't know what it would be.

Best,

Chris

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[Martin .]

Hi Gunther,

is it only in Qlab that you're not getting any sound or from any program on OSX?

I'm guessing it makes a difference that you're using a virtual machine, that 2 OS'es are trying to communicate with your sound card at once. Since it is an external sound card with OSX drivers it will work if you install OSX properly, granted that your motherboard is supported.

For Hackintosh specific questions, try asking here instead: www.tonymacx86.com/forums/ and include as much info about your machine and the installation as possible. You can also check there if the parts that make up your PC are supported by the OSX verision you want to install.

As a sidenote: I have been using a Hackintosh as my main workstation for 2 years now and have had no issues specific to it being a Hackintosh after the initial installation phase. I can totally see why Qlab devs doesn't want to "support" it as it may involve unknown variables, but a build where all the hardware is supported is really just the same as a Mac. So just a heads up for anyone interested. I would have paid more than double for my "Mac" if I had bought it from Apple.

Cheers,

Martin

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[Gunther J. Kibelkstis]

Chris

Thank you.

[Gunther J. Kibelkstis]

Martin

I think the problem is with the virtual machine. I will install it directly without a virtual machine.

Thank you

Em sexta-feira, 25 de maio de 2018 06:25:37 UTC-3, Martin . escreveu:

Hi Gunther,

is it only in Qlab that you're not getting any sound or from any program on OSX?

I'm guessing it makes a difference that you're using a virtual machine, that 2 OS'es are trying to communicate with your sound card at once. Since it is an external sound card with OSX drivers it will work if you install OSX properly, granted that your motherboard is supported.

For Hackintosh specific questions, try asking here instead: www.tonymacx86.com/forums/ and include as much info about your machine and the installation as possible. You can also check there if the parts that make up your PC are supported by the OSX verision you want to install.

As a sidenote: I have been using a Hackintosh as my main workstation for 2 years now and have had no issues specific to it being a Hackintosh after the initial installation phase. I can totally see why Qlab devs doesn't want to "support" it as it may involve unknown variables, but a build where all the hardware is supported is really just the same as a Mac. So just a heads up for anyone interested. I would have paid more than double for my "Mac" if I had bought it from Apple.

Cheers,

Martin

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Gunther J. Kibelkstis <gunthe...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear

For testing, I installed Mac OSX + Qlab in Virtual machine (Hackintosh).

I could not make out sound using MOTU interface (driver installed etc).

I also tried Soundflower, but to no avail.

Can someone help me?

Thank you

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[Benedict Manaois]

So the Qlab installed in your hackintosh works? Are there any issues?

[Rich Walsh]

Other than the fact that there is no legal way of obtaining a copy of macOS to run on non-Apple hardware, and so you are therefore stealing from Apple?

If you could get QLab for less than the going rate by ignoring the EULA would you? Would you steal from Chris? Why would you steal from Apple?

Is your creative work freely available for others to use without paying you for it?

Rich

[Martin .]

Everything is working well so far in Qlab, and any other program I've run for that matter. Multichannel sound, video to two projectors, midi, OSC... I'm still on Qlab 3 so I haven't tried DMX with it but my Enttec USB Pro works with Max on the machine so I guess it should work with Qlab too.

Like I said in the previous mail, after the installation and setting up the BIOS, booting in a couple of times to configure drivers, it's been running smooth. I still haven't upgraded the OS from Yosemite though, not that I think it would pose a problem.

Best,

Martin

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So the Qlab installed in your hackintosh works? Are there any issues?

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[Martin .]

>Other than the fact that there is no legal way of obtaining a copy of macOS to run on non-Apple hardware, and so you are therefore stealing from Apple?

>If you could get QLab for less than the going rate by ignoring the EULA would you? Would you steal from Chris? Why would you steal from Apple?

>Is your creative work freely available for others to use without paying you for it?

Hahaha - I didn't think this kind of hyperbole discourse existed on the Qlab list. If you're not trolling then I guess you're not the kind of person who opened up remote controls because you were curious how they work, and see if you could maybe use it for something creative.

You can in fact buy OSX. Their license only "permits" it to be installed on hardware that they sell, but I (and I think many others) don't like or really take it seriously when someone tries to dictate what I do with something after I bought it.

Best,

Martin

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[Paul Gotch]

On 2 Jun 2018, at 20:24, Martin . <blindma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can in fact buy OSX. Their license only "permits" it to be installed on hardware that they sell,

You used to be able to buy it.

Currently you can't, it and updates are included free with Apple hardware and only licensed for use on Apple hardware.

-p

[Rich Walsh]

Nearly 10 years and over 1,500 posts on this list; never been called a troll before… If calling into question something that is morally and legally dubious is trolling then I guess it’s goat for tea. Lucky I’ve got a hat with cooling fins.

I’ve written thousands of lines of AppleScript on this list so I’m clearly not the kind of person who opened up remote controls to see if I could use them for something creative.

You can’t in fact buy the macOS. You were scammed if you paid for it.

To labour the point, are you not concerned what a producer does with your intellectual property once they’ve bought it? Or are there different rules for people who write software and people who circuit bend remote controls?

Going for a personal attack is like a reasoned argument, only without any reason or any argument. If you’re comfortable in your position fine, but I think it is reasonable for other people on the list to consider the case against ignoring Apple’s EULA because frankly you want their product but you aren’t prepared to pay what they charge for it.

Rich

> On 2 Jun 2018, at 20:24, Martin . <blindma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Other than the fact that there is no legal way of obtaining a copy of macOS to run on non-Apple hardware, and so you are therefore stealing from Apple?
>
> >If you could get QLab for less than the going rate by ignoring the EULA would you? Would you steal from Chris? Why would you steal from Apple?
>
> >Is your creative work freely available for others to use without paying you for it?
>

[Steven Sokulski]

I couldn’t agree with you more Rich.

But the reason not to use one with QLab is even simpler and doesn’t require a moral compass.

It isn’t supported. If your production can’t afford to run QLab on a Mac, then you can’t afford the reliability and technical support that QLab affords us.

It’s hard for me to imagine finding value in one and not the other.

[Sam Kusnetz]

Hi folks

I don’t want to step on a discussion, but I would like to pop my head in to make a few quick comments…

First, Gunther did originally state that this whole thing was for testing, not for a live show, and I don’t want that to be obscured.

Second, it might be worth pointing out that Apple has specifically approved installing server versions of macOS in virtual machines, provided the VM is running on actual Apple hardware. That’s not exactly the situation that was described, but it seems relevant to me.

Third, I’d like to draw everyone’s attention to this passage from our code of conduct:

>Be respectful. Everyone has the right to their opinion, and everyone has the right to disagree. If you choose to disagree with someone's post out loud, do so in a respectful manner. Address the ideas in the post, don't attack the person. Don’t just argue and disagree without offering an alternative perspective of your own. Don't assume that the person with whom you disagree is necessarily wrong, or necessarily wrong about other things. Don't talk down, don't name-call, don't be mean-spirited.

And fourth and finally, while it’s perfectly fair to have any opinion about what is or isn’t legal, I think it’s irresponsible to gloss over whether something is illegal. Rich pointed out that, like it or not, fair or not, installing macOS on non-Apple hardware is illegal. It’s fine to think that’s a bad law, and it’s fine to say so here and talk about why. But I’d really like to encourage everyone to draw a clear line if they do it, and not to beat on the messenger who’s just saying something that’s true.

Thanks so much!

Sam

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Not getting into any Morality, rules, or anything else. Mostly putting it out there for those who ran into same issue as me.

As I recently had to do this for a Mac that needed updateing and would not run currently signed versions of OS X as it too old of a computer(not for qlab). You can indeed to this day buy OS X

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/D6377Z/A/os-x-mountain-lion

[Gunther J. Kibelkstis]

Folks

The subject hackintosh was put to tests, challenge and knowledge.

not for another purpose.