Any RDBMS available ?
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Paulo Rebordão
Jul 21, 2024, 5:54:16 PM7/21/24
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Is there any freely available distribution of any Relational DBMS for RSX-11 ? Or for any other PDP-11 OS ?
Johnny Billquist
Jul 21, 2024, 6:03:20 PM7/21/24
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On 2024-07-21 23:54, Paulo Rebordão wrote:
> Is there any freely available distribution of any Relational DBMS for
> RSX-11 ? Or for any other PDP-11 OS ?
None that I am aware of. This also ties in to the question of what is
> Is there any freely available distribution of any Relational DBMS for
> RSX-11 ? Or for any other PDP-11 OS ?
means by a relational database. You could possibly argue that
Datatrieve-11 is. But it's technically not free anyway, but at least
it's possible to find distributions. Oracle is certainly a relational
DB, but that one is definitely not free, and not easy to find either.
Same story for Mimer.
(All for RSX by the way. Not sure if anything except Datatrieve exists
for other OSes...)
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Ken Hansen
Jul 21, 2024, 6:07:21 PM7/21/24
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Uh, relational database on a 16 bit processor with minimal memory & disk storage (by current standards)?Seems very unlikely, but never say never, I guess...
RDBMS were 'defined' by Codd in 1970, the first commercial RDBMS was released in 1979 (Oracle), and the PDP-11 was discontinued in the mid to late 1990s, so I guess there *could* have been an RDBMS running on a PDP-11, but seems unlikely to me...
Ken
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Clem Cole
Jul 21, 2024, 6:45:10 PM7/21/24
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Ingress was born on the 11/70 although I’m not sure how easy it would to find that and compared to later version it’s pretty unadorned. Berkeley DB also started on the 11 although it more designed for casual databases than some like Ingress.
Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
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Is there any freely available distribution of any Relational DBMS for RSX-11 ? Or for any other PDP-11 OS ?
Mark Rosenthal
Jul 21, 2024, 6:47:18 PM7/21/24
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Are you really looking for a "relational database"? There's this website: oracle-v2.nl, but you'll probably spend a lot of time getting it working (I haven't tried it or looked for a download). If on the other hand, if all you want is keyed/index access to files (i.e. Cobol's "ORGANIZATION INDEXED"), RMS is available on the PiDP-11 image you are probably running. (run $rmsdes).
Docs are at bitsavers, rsx_11Mplus_V4.x/8a
Johnny Billquist
Jul 21, 2024, 7:26:54 PM7/21/24
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Getting Oracle working does not take any effort, but finding the actual
distribution is another story.
Same with Mimer.
Datatrieve-11 is easier to find, and I'd say it's a relational database
as well. However, the query language for Datatrieve-11 isn't SQL.
Actually, Mimer don't use SQL on the PDP-11 version either.
But manuals are around, so if someone wants to play, it's not hard to
get running at all.
And yes, RMS is another option. It's pretty much like NOSQL databases.
For some, that might indeed be enough as well.
Johnny
distribution is another story.
Same with Mimer.
Datatrieve-11 is easier to find, and I'd say it's a relational database
as well. However, the query language for Datatrieve-11 isn't SQL.
Actually, Mimer don't use SQL on the PDP-11 version either.
But manuals are around, so if someone wants to play, it's not hard to
get running at all.
And yes, RMS is another option. It's pretty much like NOSQL databases.
For some, that might indeed be enough as well.
Johnny
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Paulo Rebordão
Jul 21, 2024, 7:45:42 PM7/21/24
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I'll have a look at RMS, I'm not familiar with it.
It will probably be enough for my needs, but anything-SQL would be my first choice.
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Johnny Billquist
Jul 21, 2024, 7:55:12 PM7/21/24
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RMS is pretty low level. For sure look it over, but it might appear a
little daunting if you aren't used to low level file access handling
like that.
Datatrieve-11, while not using SQL, have a fairly straight forward query
languange, and an interface so that you can write applications that
access data trough it fairly easily. But it does also depend on what
languange you are planning to use...
You will probably need to read through some manuals no matter what.
Johnny
On 2024-07-22 01:45, Paulo Rebordão wrote:
> I'll have a look at RMS, I'm not familiar with it.
>
> It will probably be enough for my needs, but anything-SQL would be my
> first choice.
>
> A segunda, 22/07/2024, 00:26, Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>> escreveu:
> > <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>>.
little daunting if you aren't used to low level file access handling
like that.
Datatrieve-11, while not using SQL, have a fairly straight forward query
languange, and an interface so that you can write applications that
access data trough it fairly easily. But it does also depend on what
languange you are planning to use...
You will probably need to read through some manuals no matter what.
Johnny
On 2024-07-22 01:45, Paulo Rebordão wrote:
> I'll have a look at RMS, I'm not familiar with it.
>
> It will probably be enough for my needs, but anything-SQL would be my
> first choice.
>
> A segunda, 22/07/2024, 00:26, Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
>
> Getting Oracle working does not take any effort, but finding the actual
> distribution is another story.
>
> Same with Mimer.
>
> Datatrieve-11 is easier to find, and I'd say it's a relational database
> as well. However, the query language for Datatrieve-11 isn't SQL.
> Actually, Mimer don't use SQL on the PDP-11 version either.
>
> But manuals are around, so if someone wants to play, it's not hard to
> get running at all.
>
> And yes, RMS is another option. It's pretty much like NOSQL databases.
> For some, that might indeed be enough as well.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2024-07-22 00:47, Mark Rosenthal wrote:
> > Are you really looking for a "relational database"? There's this
> > website: oracle-v2.nl <http://oracle-v2.nl>, but you'll probably
> Getting Oracle working does not take any effort, but finding the actual
> distribution is another story.
>
> Same with Mimer.
>
> Datatrieve-11 is easier to find, and I'd say it's a relational database
> as well. However, the query language for Datatrieve-11 isn't SQL.
> Actually, Mimer don't use SQL on the PDP-11 version either.
>
> But manuals are around, so if someone wants to play, it's not hard to
> get running at all.
>
> And yes, RMS is another option. It's pretty much like NOSQL databases.
> For some, that might indeed be enough as well.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2024-07-22 00:47, Mark Rosenthal wrote:
> > Are you really looking for a "relational database"? There's this
> spend a lot of time getting
> > it working (I haven't tried it or looked for a download). If on the
> > other hand, if all you want is keyed/index access to files (i.e.
> Cobol's
> > "ORGANIZATION INDEXED"), RMS is available on the PiDP-11 image
> you are
> > probably running. (run $rmsdes).
> >
> > Docs are at bitsavers, rsx_11Mplus_V4.x/8a
> >
> > On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 3:54:16 PM UTC-6 pjreb...@gmail.comwrote:
> >
> > Is there any freely available distribution ofany Relational DBMS
> > it working (I haven't tried it or looked for a download). If on the
> > other hand, if all you want is keyed/index access to files (i.e.
> Cobol's
> > "ORGANIZATION INDEXED"), RMS is available on the PiDP-11 image
> you are
> > probably running. (run $rmsdes).
> >
> > Docs are at bitsavers, rsx_11Mplus_V4.x/8a
> >
> > On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 3:54:16 PM UTC-6 pjreb...@gmail.comwrote:
> >
> > for RSX-11 ? Or for any other PDP-11 OS ?
> >
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Nigel Williams
Jul 21, 2024, 9:06:00 PM7/21/24
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Ingres build instructions here: https://pdp2011.sytse.net/wordpress/ingres/
Ed Groenenberg
Jul 22, 2024, 3:58:17 AM7/22/24
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The oracle-v2.nl is my website, and it runs Oracle v2.1 in simh.
It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the info is on the site.
And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for V2 and V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
Will the V2 distribution kit become available? Maybe but not for now.
Ed
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July 22, 2024 1:26 AM, "Johnny Billquist" <b...@softjar.se> wrote:
> Getting Oracle working does not take any effort, but finding the actual distribution is another
> story.
>
> Same with Mimer.
>
> Datatrieve-11 is easier to find, and I'd say it's a relational database as well. However, the query
> language for Datatrieve-11 isn't SQL. Actually, Mimer don't use SQL on the PDP-11 version either.
>
> But manuals are around, so if someone wants to play, it's not hard to get running at all.
>
> And yes, RMS is another option. It's pretty much like NOSQL databases. For some, that might indeed
> be enough as well.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2024-07-22 00:47, Mark Rosenthal wrote:
>
>> Are you really looking for a "relational database"? There's this > website: oracle-v2.nl, but
>> you'll probably spend a lot of time getting > it working (I haven't tried it or looked for a
>> download). If on the > other hand, if all you want is keyed/index access to files (i.e. Cobol's >
>> "ORGANIZATION INDEXED"), RMS is available on the PiDP-11 image you are > probably running. (run
>> $rmsdes).
>> Docs are at bitsavers, rsx_11Mplus_V4.x/8a
>> On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 3:54:16 PM UTC-6 pjreb...@gmail.comwrote:
>> Is there any freely available distribution of any Relational DBMS
>> for RSX-11 ? Or for any other PDP-11 OS ?
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It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the info is on the site.
And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for V2 and V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
Will the V2 distribution kit become available? Maybe but not for now.
Ed
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July 22, 2024 1:26 AM, "Johnny Billquist" <b...@softjar.se> wrote:
> Getting Oracle working does not take any effort, but finding the actual distribution is another
> story.
>
> Same with Mimer.
>
> Datatrieve-11 is easier to find, and I'd say it's a relational database as well. However, the query
> language for Datatrieve-11 isn't SQL. Actually, Mimer don't use SQL on the PDP-11 version either.
>
> But manuals are around, so if someone wants to play, it's not hard to get running at all.
>
> And yes, RMS is another option. It's pretty much like NOSQL databases. For some, that might indeed
> be enough as well.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2024-07-22 00:47, Mark Rosenthal wrote:
>
>> Are you really looking for a "relational database"? There's this > website: oracle-v2.nl, but
>> you'll probably spend a lot of time getting > it working (I haven't tried it or looked for a
>> download). If on the > other hand, if all you want is keyed/index access to files (i.e. Cobol's >
>> "ORGANIZATION INDEXED"), RMS is available on the PiDP-11 image you are > probably running. (run
>> $rmsdes).
>> Docs are at bitsavers, rsx_11Mplus_V4.x/8a
>> On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 3:54:16 PM UTC-6 pjreb...@gmail.comwrote:
>> Is there any freely available distribution of any Relational DBMS
>> for RSX-11 ? Or for any other PDP-11 OS ?
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John H. Reinhardt
Jul 22, 2024, 5:37:03 AM7/22/24
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On 7/22/2024 2:58 AM, Ed Groenenberg wrote:
> The oracle-v2.nl is my website, and it runs Oracle v2.1 in simh.
> It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the info is on the site.
>
> And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for V2 and V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
>
> Will the V2 distribution kit become available? Maybe but not for now.
>
>
> Ed
> --
That would be cool if possible. I started out with Oracle RDBMS V4 on VAX/VMS V4 in 1984. I'm still an Oracle DBA - currently we're using Oracle 19c
> The oracle-v2.nl is my website, and it runs Oracle v2.1 in simh.
> It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the info is on the site.
>
> And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for V2 and V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
>
> Will the V2 distribution kit become available? Maybe but not for now.
>
>
> Ed
> --
I wish I had some older copies. I have some V7 on CD for OpenVMS and Alpha but that's as early as I have.
John H. Reinhardt
Paulo Rebordão
Jul 22, 2024, 5:41:31 AM7/22/24
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That would be quite nice !
I too started with Oracle V4 around 1990 on a PC as an applications programmer. I think it was the first version available for a PC ?
On a side note, I read somewhere that the "first" Oracle (v2) was developed and originally released on PDP-11. Is there any truth to this ?
Paulo Rebordão
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Ed Groenenberg
Jul 22, 2024, 6:06:43 AM7/22/24
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Oracle V2 was written in MACRO-11 and did run on any pdp-11 with RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ and required I&D space.
Up to V5.1 was ported to RSX-11M+, V5.0 and v%.1 required quite some fiddling as the Oracle kernel became quite big (for that time).
V2 did run on VMS in the compatibility mode.
After the V2 release, the whole SW was rewritten in C, and became V3.
V3.1.3 was the first on VMS as well on a few Unix systems. V#.1 was ported by me to the Danish Supermax machine,
a sort of multi cpu system based on the MC 68000
V3 did not have transaction control (ACID), it was very similar to MySQL V3.
From V4 and onwards, the ACID stuff became part of it.
Ed
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Jul 22, 2024, 1:50:55 PM7/22/24
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Dear All,
We can't have a RDPMS discussion in the PiDP11 group without at least mention of MUMPS(DSM).
I would hope that there are some images around somewhere. But, not sure if it was ever released off license.
Michael Harpe
Jul 22, 2024, 2:03:54 PM7/22/24
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The largest PDP-11 installation I ever saw was at a medical services company in Louisville Kentucky that had I want to say it was four very built out 11/70s running MUMPS. Amcor was the name of the place. Their building with the custom built data center room is still there too. This is in Louisville, Kentucky.
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Johnny Billquist
Jul 22, 2024, 2:25:39 PM7/22/24
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DSM-11 can be found online. If it is "legal" or not is another question.
But that is also true of all other DEC OSes for the PDP-11.
Johnny
On 2024-07-22 19:50, isy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> We can't have a RDPMS discussion in the PiDP11 group without at least
> mention of MUMPS(DSM).
> I would hope that there are some images around somewhere. But, not
> sure if it was ever released off license.
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 11:06:43 AM UTC+1 e...@groenenberg.net wrote:
>
> __
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But that is also true of all other DEC OSes for the PDP-11.
Johnny
On 2024-07-22 19:50, isy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> We can't have a RDPMS discussion in the PiDP11 group without at least
> mention of MUMPS(DSM).
> I would hope that there are some images around somewhere. But, not
> sure if it was ever released off license.
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 11:06:43 AM UTC+1 e...@groenenberg.net wrote:
>
>
> Oracle V2 was written in MACRO-11 and did run on any pdp-11 with
> RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ and required I&D space.
> Up to V5.1 was ported to RSX-11M+, V5.0 and v%.1 required quite some
> fiddling as the Oracle kernel became quite big (for that time).
>
> V2 did run on VMS in the compatibility mode.
>
> After the V2 release, the whole SW was rewritten in C, and became V3.
>
> V3.1.3 was the first on VMS as well on a few Unix systems. V#.1 was
> ported by me to the Danish Supermax machine,
> a sort of multi cpu system based on the MC 68000
>
> V3 did not have transaction control (ACID), it was very similar to
> MySQL V3.
>
> From V4 and onwards, the ACID stuff became part of it.
>
>
>
> __Ed
> Oracle V2 was written in MACRO-11 and did run on any pdp-11 with
> RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ and required I&D space.
> Up to V5.1 was ported to RSX-11M+, V5.0 and v%.1 required quite some
> fiddling as the Oracle kernel became quite big (for that time).
>
> V2 did run on VMS in the compatibility mode.
>
> After the V2 release, the whole SW was rewritten in C, and became V3.
>
> V3.1.3 was the first on VMS as well on a few Unix systems. V#.1 was
> ported by me to the Danish Supermax machine,
> a sort of multi cpu system based on the MC 68000
>
> V3 did not have transaction control (ACID), it was very similar to
> MySQL V3.
>
> From V4 and onwards, the ACID stuff became part of it.
>
>
>
> --
> Ik email, dus ik besta 😆__
>
> July 22, 2024 11:41 AM, "Paulo Rebordão" <pjreb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That would be quite nice !
> I too started with Oracle V4 around 1990 on a PC as an
> applications programmer. I think it was the first version
> available for a PC ?
> On a side note, I read somewhere that the "first" Oracle (v2)
> was developed and originally released on PDP-11. Is there any
> truth to this ?
> Paulo Rebordão
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:37 AM John H. Reinhardt
> <johnhre...@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>
> On 7/22/2024 2:58 AM, Ed Groenenberg wrote:
> > The oracle-v2.nl <http://oracle-v2.nl> is my website, and
> July 22, 2024 11:41 AM, "Paulo Rebordão" <pjreb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That would be quite nice !
> I too started with Oracle V4 around 1990 on a PC as an
> applications programmer. I think it was the first version
> available for a PC ?
> On a side note, I read somewhere that the "first" Oracle (v2)
> was developed and originally released on PDP-11. Is there any
> truth to this ?
> Paulo Rebordão
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:37 AM John H. Reinhardt
> <johnhre...@thereinhardts.org> wrote:
>
> On 7/22/2024 2:58 AM, Ed Groenenberg wrote:
> it runs Oracle v2.1 in simh.
> > It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the
> info is on the site.
> >
> > And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for V2 and
> V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
> >
> > Will the V2 distribution kit become available? Maybe but
> not for now.
> >
> >
> > Ed
> > --
> That would be cool if possible. I started out with Oracle
> RDBMS V4 on VAX/VMS V4 in 1984. I'm still an Oracle DBA -
> currently we're using Oracle 19c
>
> I wish I had some older copies. I have some V7 on CD for
> OpenVMS and Alpha but that's as early as I have.
>
> John H. Reinhardt
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> > It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the
> info is on the site.
> >
> > And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for V2 and
> V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
> >
> > Will the V2 distribution kit become available? Maybe but
> not for now.
> >
> >
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> That would be cool if possible. I started out with Oracle
> RDBMS V4 on VAX/VMS V4 in 1984. I'm still an Oracle DBA -
> currently we're using Oracle 19c
>
> I wish I had some older copies. I have some V7 on CD for
> OpenVMS and Alpha but that's as early as I have.
>
> John H. Reinhardt
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Paulo Rebordão
Jul 22, 2024, 2:45:38 PM7/22/24
to Johnny Billquist, [PiDP-11]
I think there's a license available for hobbyists for the DEC OSs, but maybe not including VMS.
As for DSM I think the license is still held by InterSystems.
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Johnny Billquist
Jul 22, 2024, 2:51:37 PM7/22/24
to Paulo Rebordão, [PiDP-11]
On 2024-07-22 20:45, Paulo Rebordão wrote:
> I think there's a license available for hobbyists for the DEC OSs, but
> maybe not including VMS.
Sortof half but no. There was a license to use some specific older
> I think there's a license available for hobbyists for the DEC OSs, but
> maybe not including VMS.
versions of the OSes on a specific simulator done by DEC.
In truth, you have a much easier time to run VMS legally as a hobbyist
than any DEC OS for the PDP-11 (sadly).
> As for DSM I think the license is still held by InterSystems.
Johnny
> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>> escreveu:
>
> DSM-11 can be found online. If it is "legal" or not is another
> question.
> But that is also true of all other DEC OSes for the PDP-11.
>
> Johnny
>
> > We can't have a RDPMS discussion in the PiDP11 groupwithout at
> DSM-11 can be found online. If it is "legal" or not is another
> question.
> But that is also true of all other DEC OSes for the PDP-11.
>
> Johnny
>
> least
> > mention of MUMPS(DSM).
> > I would hope that there are some images around somewhere. But, not
> > sure if it was ever released off license.
> >
> > On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 11:06:43 AM UTC+1
> > Oracle V2 was written in MACRO-11 and did runon any pdp-11 with
> > mention of MUMPS(DSM).
> > I would hope that there are some images around somewhere. But, not
> > sure if it was ever released off license.
> >
> > On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 11:06:43 AM UTC+1
> > RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ and required I&D space.
> > Up to V5.1 was ported to RSX-11M+, V5.0 and v%.1 required
> quite some
> > fiddling as the Oracle kernel became quite big (for that time).
> >
> > V2 did run on VMS in the compatibility mode.
> >
> > After the V2 release, the whole SW was rewritten in C, and
> became V3.
> >
> > V3.1.3 was the first on VMS as well on a few Unix systems.
> V#.1 was
> > ported by me to the Danish Supermax machine,
> > a sort of multi cpu system based on the MC 68000
> >
> > V3 did not have transaction control (ACID), it was very
> similar to
> > MySQL V3.
> >
> > From V4 and onwards, the ACID stuff became part of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > __Ed
> > --
> > Ik email, dus ik besta 😆__
> >
> > July 22, 2024 11:41 AM, "Paulo Rebordão"<pjreb...@gmail.com
> > Up to V5.1 was ported to RSX-11M+, V5.0 and v%.1 required
> quite some
> > fiddling as the Oracle kernel became quite big (for that time).
> >
> > V2 did run on VMS in the compatibility mode.
> >
> > After the V2 release, the whole SW was rewritten in C, and
> became V3.
> >
> > V3.1.3 was the first on VMS as well on a few Unix systems.
> V#.1 was
> > ported by me to the Danish Supermax machine,
> > a sort of multi cpu system based on the MC 68000
> >
> > V3 did not have transaction control (ACID), it was very
> similar to
> > MySQL V3.
> >
> > From V4 and onwards, the ACID stuff became part of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > __Ed
> > --
> > Ik email, dus ik besta 😆__
> >
> > July 22, 2024 11:41 AM, "Paulo Rebordão"<pjreb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:pjreb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > That would be quite nice !
> > I too started with Oracle V4 around 1990 on a PC as an
> > applications programmer. I think it was the first version
> > available for a PC ?
> > On a side note, I read somewhere that the "first" Oracle (v2)
> > was developed and originally released on PDP-11. Is there any
> > truth to this ?
> > Paulo Rebordão
> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:37 AM John H. Reinhardt
> > <johnhre...@thereinhardts.org
> <mailto:johnhre...@thereinhardts.org>> wrote:
> >
> > That would be quite nice !
> > I too started with Oracle V4 around 1990 on a PC as an
> > applications programmer. I think it was the first version
> > available for a PC ?
> > On a side note, I read somewhere that the "first" Oracle (v2)
> > was developed and originally released on PDP-11. Is there any
> > truth to this ?
> > Paulo Rebordão
> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:37 AM John H. Reinhardt
> > <johnhre...@thereinhardts.org
> <http://oracle-v2.nl <http://oracle-v2.nl>> is my website, and
> > it runs Oracle v2.1 in simh.
> > > It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the
> > info is on the site.
> > >
> > > And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for
> V2 and
> > V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
> > >
> > > Will the V2 distribution kit become available?
> Maybe but
> > not for now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed
> > > --
> > That would be cool if possible. I started out with Oracle
> > RDBMS V4 on VAX/VMS V4 in 1984. I'm still an Oracle DBA -
> > currently we're using Oracle 19c
> >
> > I wish I had someolder copies. I have some V7 on CD for
> > > It can be accessed using a telnet connection, all the
> > info is on the site.
> > >
> > > And yes, I do have the distribution kit, both for
> V2 and
> > V4.1 (fits on a RL02 image).
> > >
> > > Will the V2 distribution kit become available?
> Maybe but
> > not for now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed
> > > --
> > That would be cool if possible. I started out with Oracle
> > RDBMS V4 on VAX/VMS V4 in 1984. I'm still an Oracle DBA -
> > currently we're using Oracle 19c
> >
> > OpenVMS and Alphabut that's as early as I have.
> >
> > John H. Reinhardt
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