Recommendation for clear key caps for PAL-1 hex keypad?
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D Hassler
Jul 14, 2022, 7:10:19 PM7/14/22
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Hi all. Anyone have any recommendations? I'd like to find something with a clear "top" so I can print out 1-9, A-F, etc., and put them under the 'tops.'
Thanks, Dave
Hans Van Slooten
Jul 14, 2022, 7:14:19 PM7/14/22
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Hi Dave,
I don't, but I did try doing something similar with square caps and
failed to create something aesthetically pleasing. Keep in mind that
the buttons have a lot of "play" (they are able to rotate), so keeping
the buttons straight requires them to essentially be right next to
each other.
Hans V
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 6:10 PM D Hassler <blueja...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi all. Anyone have any recommendations? I'd like to find something with a clear "top" so I can print out 1-9, A-F, etc., and put them under the 'tops.'
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
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I don't, but I did try doing something similar with square caps and
failed to create something aesthetically pleasing. Keep in mind that
the buttons have a lot of "play" (they are able to rotate), so keeping
the buttons straight requires them to essentially be right next to
each other.
Hans V
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 6:10 PM D Hassler <blueja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all. Anyone have any recommendations? I'd like to find something with a clear "top" so I can print out 1-9, A-F, etc., and put them under the 'tops.'
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
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GN L
Jul 14, 2022, 11:32:03 PM7/14/22
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Maybe just some sort of round blank sticker with no "top". It's hard to find some keycaps for this type of switch...
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 7:10 AM, D Hassler <blueja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all. Anyone have any recommendations? I'd like to find something with a clear "top" so I can print out 1-9, A-F, etc., and put them under the 'tops.'
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
Liu
> On Jul 15, 2022, at 7:10 AM, D Hassler <blueja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all. Anyone have any recommendations? I'd like to find something with a clear "top" so I can print out 1-9, A-F, etc., and put them under the 'tops.'
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
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Best,
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Liu
Will Senn
Jul 17, 2022, 10:40:01 PM7/17/22
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Dunno what happened to my original post, but here it is again, ignore if duplicated. Here's what I've come up with on the keypad front - it's a work in progress and just a proof of concept. I made a tiny triangle out of graph index card and wrote the numbers on it. I'll prolly laser print on paper/plastic, with proper spacing, for the final version.
The numbers under the keys printed on the circuit board are a bit confusing to me for some reason, seems like they need to be on top, but even then, they're practically invisible. This brings them to visibility at least.
Will Senn
Jul 17, 2022, 10:46:48 PM7/17/22
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Actually, as I posted this, I thought of an even better approach - going back to the old-style phones keypad - draw a stencil in omni graffle, with the numbers on it that fits over the keypad, but lets the keys through. A quick check found a hole-punch to be just the right size for the buttons to come through. Off to seeing how hard that is to create :).
Will Senn
Jul 17, 2022, 11:05:33 PM7/17/22
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OK. Very HARD :). I'll prolly just do vertical bars on the left and right and horizonal bars between.
Will Senn
Jul 17, 2022, 11:48:05 PM7/17/22
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Version 2. This is actually workable...
I just need to get the right size marked for the cuts (I fudged on this one, and I may go ahead and cut vertical bars, too), get it to print the numbers, instead of hand writing them, print it on card stock and I think that'll be good enough for me. But, it turned out better than I thought. Definitiely reminds me of the old touch tone templates :).
Will Senn
Jul 18, 2022, 12:27:37 AM7/18/22
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Version 3 :)
GN L
Jul 18, 2022, 8:58:43 PM7/18/22
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Brilliant!
> On Jul 18, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Will Senn <will...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Version 3 :)
Best,
Liu
> On Jul 18, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Will Senn <will...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Version 3 :)
>
> <pal-1-keypad-3.JPG>
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> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:48:05 PM UTC-5 Will Senn wrote:
> Version 2. This is actually workable...
>
> I just need to get the right size marked for the cuts (I fudged on this one, and I may go ahead and cut vertical bars, too), get it to print the numbers, instead of hand writing them, print it on card stock and I think that'll be good enough for me. But, it turned out better than I thought. Definitiely reminds me of the old touch tone templates :).
>
>
>
> <pal-1-keypad-3.JPG>
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:48:05 PM UTC-5 Will Senn wrote:
> Version 2. This is actually workable...
>
> I just need to get the right size marked for the cuts (I fudged on this one, and I may go ahead and cut vertical bars, too), get it to print the numbers, instead of hand writing them, print it on card stock and I think that'll be good enough for me. But, it turned out better than I thought. Definitiely reminds me of the old touch tone templates :).
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 Will Senn wrote:
> OK. Very HARD :). I'll prolly just do vertical bars on the left and right and horizonal bars between.
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:46:48 PM UTC-5 Will Senn wrote:
> Actually, as I posted this, I thought of an even better approach - going back to the old-style phones keypad - draw a stencil in omni graffle, with the numbers on it that fits over the keypad, but lets the keys through. A quick check found a hole-punch to be just the right size for the buttons to come through. Off to seeing how hard that is to create :).
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:40:01 PM UTC-5 Will Senn wrote:
> Dunno what happened to my original post, but here it is again, ignore if duplicated. Here's what I've come up with on the keypad front - it's a work in progress and just a proof of concept. I made a tiny triangle out of graph index card and wrote the numbers on it. I'll prolly laser print on paper/plastic, with proper spacing, for the final version.
>
>
>
> OK. Very HARD :). I'll prolly just do vertical bars on the left and right and horizonal bars between.
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:46:48 PM UTC-5 Will Senn wrote:
> Actually, as I posted this, I thought of an even better approach - going back to the old-style phones keypad - draw a stencil in omni graffle, with the numbers on it that fits over the keypad, but lets the keys through. A quick check found a hole-punch to be just the right size for the buttons to come through. Off to seeing how hard that is to create :).
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 9:40:01 PM UTC-5 Will Senn wrote:
> Dunno what happened to my original post, but here it is again, ignore if duplicated. Here's what I've come up with on the keypad front - it's a work in progress and just a proof of concept. I made a tiny triangle out of graph index card and wrote the numbers on it. I'll prolly laser print on paper/plastic, with proper spacing, for the final version.
>
>
>
> The numbers under the keys printed on the circuit board are a bit confusing to me for some reason, seems like they need to be on top, but even then, they're practically invisible. This brings them to visibility at least.
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:32:03 PM UTC-5 liuga...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maybe just some sort of round blank sticker with no "top". It's hard to find some keycaps for this type of switch...
>
> > On Jul 15, 2022, at 7:10 AM, D Hassler <blueja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all. Anyone have any recommendations? I'd like to find something with a clear "top" so I can print out 1-9, A-F, etc., and put them under the 'tops.'
> >
> > Thanks, Dave
> >
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> Best,
> Liu
>
>
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> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:32:03 PM UTC-5 liuga...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maybe just some sort of round blank sticker with no "top". It's hard to find some keycaps for this type of switch...
>
> > On Jul 15, 2022, at 7:10 AM, D Hassler <blueja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all. Anyone have any recommendations? I'd like to find something with a clear "top" so I can print out 1-9, A-F, etc., and put them under the 'tops.'
> >
> > Thanks, Dave
> >
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> Best,
> Liu
>
>
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Best,
Liu
Will Senn
Jul 18, 2022, 9:39:23 PM7/18/22
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Thanks, Liu. Not sure if I like the
numbers at the top or not, but here's version 5, which fits better
than the prior version. It can be printed at 100% and should be
the correct size for the keypad, but I'm not a graphics expert, so
I don't know for sure. I just cut it out with an exacto knife and
it drops on easy peasy. Suggestions for improvements on the layout
welcome! I think the letters/numbers may be too close to the keys
above and will try a version with them closer to the keys below -
weird how it affects the mind :).
Will
Will
GN L
Jul 18, 2022, 9:48:56 PM7/18/22
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Hi Will,
Thanks for the printable file! Very simple and useful.
The legend below the key is not a user friendly design…
> On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Will Senn <will...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> <pal-1-keypad-stencil-v5.png>
Best,
Liu
Thanks for the printable file! Very simple and useful.
The legend below the key is not a user friendly design…
> On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Will Senn <will...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <pal-1-keypad-stencil-v5.png>
Best,
Liu
Will Senn
Jul 18, 2022, 10:47:07 PM7/18/22
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Sure. Here's the other version - with
lower lettering (closer to the keys they belong too). I can't make
up my mind, but I think I like this version better. Only drawback
is the viewing angle, if the PAL-1's too far up on the desk, it's
harder to read, but I don't seem to make as many mistakes keying
in with this version (teach me to look when I key...).
Later,
Will
Later,
Will
Michael Doornbos
Jul 19, 2022, 6:52:46 AM7/19/22
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Printed on card stock, this is actually quite a good solution. Good work ;)
On Jul 18, 2022, 22:47 -0400, Will Senn <will...@gmail.com>, wrote:
Sure. Here's the other version - with lower lettering (closer to the keys they belong too). I can't make up my mind, but I think I like this version better. Only drawback is the viewing angle, if the PAL-1's too far up on the desk, it's harder to read, but I don't seem to make as many mistakes keying in with this version (teach me to look when I key...).
Later,
Will
<pal-1-keypad-stencil-v5a.png>
On 7/18/22 8:48 PM, GN L wrote:
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