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Howard White

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Oct 7, 2019, 2:46:16 PM10/7/19

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Today's gripe is that Ubuntu 18.04 / CUPS (and others I am quite sure) [
has | have ] dropped support for a Generid Printer, Raw Queue. This
means that the dot matrix printer (remember them?) that I use to print
two part checks does not play nice in Ubuntu 18.04. Still does in 16.04.

I'm looking at a GitHub entry dated March 19, 2018 where said removal is
discussed in the Apple/CUPS dominion. "Almost every printer
manufactured since 2010 supports IPP/2.0 with standard file formats.

Progress is not always kind.

Howard

Alex Smith (K4RNT)

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Oct 7, 2019, 2:47:58 PM10/7/19

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Guess Ubuntu isn't the magic bullet people claim it to be? :P

That still sucks! Maybe other distros have that support still?

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The source of the issue seems to be CUPS which is more than just Ubuntu.

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Can't you just import the PPDs from 16.04?

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With a Raw Queue, there is no ppd.

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I remember when I had a dot matrix printer and using it under Linux (think Slackware in the end of the 90s), CUPS wasn't around, and I just created a raw lpr queue. The printer was an Epson 9-pin dot matrix printer.

Is that no longer possible?

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Creating a print queue external to CUPS really was the point of my
gripe, Alex. Ah how we have grown stale by using tools (or trolls
depending on how they do or do not work) such as CUPS or the ever
popular NetworkManager.

Now off to RTFM the lpadmin man page.

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I hope I didn't come across as a troll, I was just venting when anyone tries to complain about Ubuntu when they were the ones screaming about how it's the only Linux they'll use, or anything else is not "easy" enough. I have really good luck with openSUSE, Red Hat/CentOS/Scientific Linux/Oracle Linux as well as Solaris and OpenIndiana.

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Not at all, Alex. I get it. You saw my struggle with Arch (for which I
have tremendous respect but zero luck).

This issue is CUPS which many distros use. My RTFM of lpadmin was short
because the entire lpadmin/lp/lpr suite has been overtaken by Apple.

Suggestions solicited for a program to send raw print to a network
enabled (can you say "JetDirect") dot-matrix printer. Something less
than dd, thank you.

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Buy a used JetDirect. Could that solve your problems?

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I have a supply, thank you. :D

Just try and find a motherboard with a 25 pin parallel port! A PCIe
card? I have not looked; don't wanna know...

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No!

All you gotta do is plug the printer into the JetDirect, and share it over a network. Is the printer parallel or USB?

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Alex, No, you weren't trolling, like Howard really doesn't want sympathy anyway (he wants the darn thing to work!)

Pre-Ubuntu configuring many devices did take more of the cauldron and eye of newt method of getting it to work... basically

Ubuntu hid the cauldron and the smoke for most people. Those of us that have written device drivers UNDERSTAND what it

takes to keep these high-tech bubble-gum and bandaid things working even if they do have a new coat of paint and some

bondo on them.

And that is NOT just the *NIX community with all its permutations that hide the real work from users. But without doing that

no-ones grandma would be using technology today. (Well mabe great grandmother, I am now of the grandparent age -- ugh).

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I don't know that any of this helps, but I found someone makes a USB to 25 pin serial cable. :O

I think Alex was talking about HP JetDirect {170X | 300X | 500X}. Again I don't know if that helps any or not.

When I got into Linux, HP Ink Jets were the bees knees for home use, so I bypassed dot matrix in Linux.

Amazing how we can keep old tech working. :)

Paul

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Paul,

Thanks. My problem is not hardware. I _can_ configure an Epson 9 pin
driver that does "print" - just not the way I need it to. And yes, I've
made something of a hobby of collecting JetDirect boxes over the years
(even have some Intel branded ones that I never have made work). The
problem is squarely CUPS having dropped support and their excuse is
completely lame.

So this GitHub posting discussing this change basically says "piss off,
peon; write your own utility to direct raw output to your printer." And
that is where I sit - while using Ubuntu 16.04 to print my checks.

But hey, I still have several old computers with Ubuntu 8.04 in support
of a line of business software (the server of which croaked hence the
need to replace). Gonna be hauling a metric butt load of 32bit
computers to recycling very soon. And no, Dru, they ain't worth the
electricity to run.

Howard

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I'm running Kubuntu 18.04.3, and I had no trouble adding a raw queue
with CUPS. Installed package version is 2.2.7-1ubuntu2.7, which
apt-cache shows is the latest.

Manufacturer is "Raw", and the only available model is "Raw queue".

We use it for our label printers, since we're sending ZPL directly to
the printers, and we don't want CUPS to try to reinterpret the
commands. We also send raw Postscript to our laser printers.

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Howard White

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Oct 8, 2019, 11:26:41 AM10/8/19

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YYYYEEEESSSS!!!!!!!! (since I'm too lazy to turn on html)

Tilghman comes through again! _Manufacturer "RAW"_ I have always used
"Generic." No more!

Still gonna keep Ubuntu 16.04 on some systems...

Howard

Alex Smith (K4RNT)

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Oct 8, 2019, 12:40:04 PM10/8/19

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Hey Howard!

Glad someone could help you. I'm sorry if I came across earlier a little harshly. I found out I'm on the autism spectrum, and expressing myself correctly is very difficult, and is something that I'm working on.

Best wishes from Seattle, Washington...

-Alex

- Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)

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Michael Chaney

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Oct 9, 2019, 3:42:26 PM10/9/19

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Yeah, Generic changed their name to RAW a couple of years ago. It was in all the papers.

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