Neonixie Spam Messages

[Grahame]

Hi All

For some reason Google is identifying a lot more messages as spam and
putting them in the moderator's pending folder. We might have one or two
a month but more recently it can be several a day. I just released three
messages from yesterday. Another odd thing, is that at least one message
that had been pending came through by email to me, the selection I have
set for myself, but then it doesn't appear in the thread on the group
webpage.

I am trying to remember to look at the pending folder everyday to
release held messages. Please PM me if you are seeing a problem with any
particular posting.

Grahame (and Nick and Nick)

Moderators

[Nick Andrews]

Google is doing this across the board more and more, testing their ability to micromanage the flow of information and prepare to interfere with their competition and upcoming elections even more...  We've seen it in many groups and gmail.  I need to find a non-gmail to migrate to.  Groups.io is better for groups too.

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[gregebert]

Are there any patterns/themes in the pending items that make those postings potentially suspicious, such as words or phrases ?

I remember back in the 1980's, many email and USENET users such as myself would deliberately add words to our postings to clog-up the spy servers purportedly used by intelligence servers. Maybe that's come full-circle now to haunt me.

[Moses]

Grahame,

Last several months some of my posts are just deleted.. I started the habit of copy pasting them to notepad before posting because of this. You can see this in several threads.. a message is replaced by "Message has been deleted"

It's not just me either, as I've had folks sent me an email direct about a topic and stating that their posted messages were deleted as well.

I can't figure it out, as I have reposted the same message the next day and it is fine. I just figured it was an overly active moderator, computer or otherwise. Either way, a bit annoying, especially when you don't know what triggered it.

Regards,

-Moses

[Terry S]

Welcome to Google's new AI system..... But don't worry, AI is harmless.

[Grahame]

Hi

Just the one pending this morning..

No overly eager moderator - my memory is that we have deleted 4 posts in the last couple of years - two from a Russian tube seller seeking to bypass sanctions and two from someone advertising gold.

As Nick said, there doesn't appear to be any moderator controls on spam delete/pending so we are just going to have to live with this problem for now. I appears there are two levels of control by google - one is they delete the message outright - the second is it goes into a pending folder for the moderators to approve.

I will watch the post contents more closely and see if there is a reason why posts are being moved to pending.

Grahame (and Nick and Nick)

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[Audrey]

Or maybe it's just the recent widespread access to GPT models allowing forore convincing spam...

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 1:57 PM Robert G. Schaffrath <robert.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think it is just Group but with Google overall. I use Gmail and I noticed a large uptick in legitimate messages appearing in the SPAM folder. I used to have to check it once every two days or so but now it is flagging many things I consider innocuous. As some others posts have noted, there is an election coming up...

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[Audrey]

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[Adrian Godwin]

There is a suggestion that google are placing more and more stringent requirements on email senders in order to push users onto a small number of providers such as google themselves and make it more difficult to run your own mailservers. 

I did see a number of mails from mailing lists in the spam folder, and marked them 'not spam'. I'm not seeing many at the moment, just a lot of 'offers' which very clearly ARE spam. 

If you see non-spam there, look to see where it's come from.

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