automatic wifi sync to pc

[Ying Dong]

Is there a way to wifi sync android (ver 3.0.1) to PC (ver 4.4) automatically? 

[wa wa]

Maybe use a macro trigger like the Tasker app?

[Ying Dong]

Seems my last resort

[Alyona (MLO Support)]

Wi-Fi sync is triggered manually from the mobile device.

[Jeff Smith]

Extremely inconvenient, seems like it would not cost anything at all to add a timer to sync it every so often, in comparison to the price of cloud sync which does not cost more just because it is automatic. It cost more to rent the cloud resources.

So why is WiFi sync not automatic?

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[Ying]

I want to vote up this feature even it may diminish the cloud revenue. After all, this is 2019. 

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[MG]

I agree.

I vote +1 to this suggestion.

I would suggest the feature to toggle on/off an auto sync as soon as our devices reaches each other from the same Wi-Fi.

This would be useful for when we arrive home/office, as ou PC reaches our mobile/tablet/iPad.

I hope Alyona takes this two suggestions to MLO Developers Team.

BR

M

[Nick Clark]

As you suggest it is not as simple as just adding a timer to initiate the sync. The mobile device would need to check if there is a network connection to a PC with MLO installed. What if the PC or mistaking device had a different IP address to the last time it connected, a likely situation if used on a corporate network using DHCP for address allocation? What if more than one instance of a PC with MLO installed is found - which to use?

By contrast the cloud sync is simple - if there is an internet connection it can sync.

[Jeff Smith]

You need those checks if it's not automatic. Trust me I'm a software engineer. If server connection is not available, don't sync.

Cloud sync is not as simple as you think. That's why it costs more to keep it working

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 09:11 Nick Clark <nick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

As you suggest it is not as simple as just adding a timer to initiate the sync. The mobile device would need to check if there is a network connection to a PC with MLO installed.  What if the PC or mistaking device had a different IP address to the last time it connected, a likely situation if used on a corporate network using DHCP for address allocation? What if more than one instance of a PC with MLO installed is found - which to use?

By contrast the cloud sync is simple - if there is an internet connection it can sync.

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[Jeff Smith]

Please everyone go here to +1 it since your comments here are not counted

https://mlo.uservoice.com/forums/9235-general/suggestions/37917271-android-wifi-sync-every-so-many-minutes 

Log in to uservoice with the google account you already have for joining this googlegroups.

Comment there about important details

And you can actually +3 there but you only have 10 votes so look for other feature requests there too.

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[wa wa]

"seems like it would not cost anything"

I disagree. It will cost in processing overhead, adding another thing that can slow down the program on both platforms; as well as software development time and testing.

On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 11:11:17 AM UTC-5, imajeff wrote:

Extremely inconvenient, seems like it would not cost anything at all to add a timer to sync it every so often, in comparison to the price of cloud sync which does not cost more just because it is automatic. It cost more to rent the cloud resources.

So why is WiFi sync not automatic?

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 1:21 AM Alyona (MLO Support) <alyonag...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wi-Fi sync is triggered manually from the mobile device.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:40:18 PM UTC+3, Ying Dong wrote:

Is there a way to wifi sync android (ver 3.0.1) to PC (ver 4.4) automatically? 

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[Jeff Smith]

Wrong choice of words on my part, of course it has cost.

So help me get into the development of this, and I will show you that it is worth it, and cost far less than what you've got on cloud sync.

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[Dwight]

Ying Dong, MG  et al, there are some difficult design tradeoffs in creating an automatic synch between devices that have an intermittent connection. I think if you work out how you would like these tradeoffs resolved, and the people following this request agree, you might make it easier and perhaps more likely for the developers to try to build it.

The big issue is, when synch fails to lack of connectivity, do you tell anyone? This is a bigger issue with wifi than cloud. With cloud, if there's a collectivity issue, it most likely means that my device has lost its internet connection. Second most likely, the cloud server is down. Here's the thing: if your phone has lost connectivity you will most certainly notice without MLO having to tell you. And if the server is down MLO people will get alarms. So the problem will be fixed and it's not up to MLO. Wifi sync only works if both devices are present and connected at the same time; if there's an issue with that MLO is very possibly the only one who cares, so it's up to MLO to take action to get it resolved.

Consider this: A busy executive has a hard day at work, completing many tasks and marking them done on her work desktop, as well as scheduling new tasks. End of the day, on the train home she goes to review todays overdue tasks and plan for tomorrow and she discovers that she has yesterday's data, there were no syncs today. Maybe this morning her phone got a new IP address from DHCP and all day the desktop was trying to send updates to the old address. This is clearly unacceptable so we add an alarm when sync fails. Our exec leaves work, goes to the train, no more connectivity to work LAN. Every 5 minutes (or so) the phone tries to sync and fails. Which means every 5 minutes or so the alarm goes off. Very, very annoying. So we change it: alarm if no sync once every 8 hours. All is fine until 3am when the phone beside the bed wakes everybody up because there has been no sync. How should this be handled?

Another issue: today each device knows who to sync with because the user types in all the IP addresses. Nick has already mentioned the difficulties with this issue. So if IP addresses change (relocation, DHCP, etc) does the user have to notice and type it in before MLO will resume sync? Or will MLO crawl the LAN looking for other MLO instances with which to sync? What happens if the LAN has a few different people each using their own copy of MLO?

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4, imajeff wrote:

You need those checks if it's not automatic. Trust me I'm a software engineer. If server connection is not available, don't sync.

Cloud sync is not as simple as you think. That's why it costs more to keep it working

[Jeff Smith]

Just answering the big issue for now, which is obviouse to me. I don't need a popup warning about no sync. There is a place I tap to sync, and it needs to indicate first if a sync has not been done yet. This is not hard to figure out that the same feature is critical even if it is a cloud sync. We cannot assume that our local device is syncing just because we haven't detected any problem yet with internet connectivity.

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