Who has learned German grammar using Mnemosyne?
Ed
Hi, I'm trying to learn things like adjectival endings and definite articles in German.
Has anyone used Mnemosyne successfully to learn German grammar? How did you do it?
Did you, for example, ask a grammar question, then have the endings part of the answer underlined or in red font?
Thanks!
Peter Bienstman
Hi,
There are two approaches I’ve used in the past. One is simply to have a question to recite the correct grammar table as answer. Another is cloze deletion exercises: as question you have an example sentence with the correct ending removed, which you then have to fill in as the answer.
Cheers,
Peter
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Ed S
Many thanks, Peter, for your personal response. I especially appreciate it because I know how busy you are.
To make the cloze questions and answers is a considerable investment of my time. Now I am faced with the decision of whether to use Mnemosyne or Anki for this task, the two best flashcard softwares that I have found.
Is there anything special about Mnemosyne that makes it better suited to this task?
Hope you don't mind me asking this question :)
Thanks again, Ed
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Peter Bienstman
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abaku...@arcor.de
I'd like to share, how I am learning Turkish grammar and other things (by the way with German on the question side of the card ;), only for the grammar part though. The other cards are Turkish-English). At the beginning I only learned vocabs, after that I created three cards for each grammar rule. For each Turkish case (Accusative, Dative,...) I created one card containing a table, which summerizes it's grammer rules. I created another card, which lists, when to use the case. And another card, which lists all the preposition of the case.
To speed up the creating of cards I use to copied vocab/grammar lists from the internet to text files. That way I could create hundreds of cards fairly quickly. To do this is a little bit tricky though, because you have to insert tabs in between the questions and answers.
@Peter: It would be very helpful, if you could use other separators instead, because it's tricky to insert tabs automaticly, for example with Find-And-Replace.
I started to learn Turkish about 1 year ago and have learned about 800 vocabs and the Turkish cases so far (2-3 vocabs a day) . Until now, I did not start to learn sentences/tenses yet, I must confess.
In my opinion spaced repetition is most useful for short questions and short answers. Therefore I would start with vocabs and things that are not sentences (for example the cases and tenses), until you know the words used in the sentences by heart.
One of my friends learned to talk French fluently in one year. She was living in France during this year and she didn't know any French vocabs nor grammar at the beginning of her stay. I had 7 years of French in school and could not talk any better then her after staying the same amount of time in France.
My self-experiment is it to learn about 3000 Turkish words (about 90% of the words used in daily conversations), the grammer (not sentences!) and then I want to find a tandem partner, start building sentences and talking. I think this is the quickest way, you can learn a language, when you are not in the country, where this language is spoken. My guess is, that you can learn to speak a language fluently in about 3 to 4 years of spaced repetition and with finding a tandem partner.
Children know about 5000 word, when they are 6 years old (http://logopaedieimteam.de/index.php?id=96 <-- Here you can learn some German ;)). Apparently they learn about as many word (2.3) as I do per day. :)
If there are some people out there, who want to learn Turkish and talk English, then I would really like to exchange cards with you. French-Turkish or German-Turkish would be great too. :)
I really like Mnemosyne, because of it's simplicity and the nice community (this mailing list).
Ok, Ed, I hope, this was interesting to you.
Greetings,
Abakus
Tonde Monai
Ed S
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abaku...@arcor.de
you are welcome!
For the bare grammatical theory (Turkish cases, plural, vocal harmony, and a few other), I have created 51 cards. 6.4 % of the cards, I've learned so far, were for pure grammatical theory (without examples). About 80 cards (10 %) of the cards, I have learned so far, were grammatical examples. I have another 80 example cards waiting for me.
I put all of those pure grammar cards in one separate folder (tag: Turkish::Grammar::Theory). The grammar examples I put in separate folders too (tag: Turkish::Grammar::Examples::Dative). That way you can deactivate all theoretical grammar cards, if you get annoyed by them. ^^ ;) Or you can activate all of the grammar cards with one click! I have added to many of those grammar cards at once. It might be better and more motivating to add and learn 1-3 theory cards and then add and learn 12 practical grammar cards (if you have the option "Show new cards for the first time" "in the order they were added" enabled).
@Peter: I am a little behind on those grammatical examples, because you can't change the order of the active cards. I wonder: do those already learned cards show up, when I deactivate their tags? I sometimes wish, that I could deactivate a tag (skip those cards, because they annoy me), but still repeat those cards, I have already learned. (I always have the option "Show new cards for the first time" "in the order they were added" enabled)
One thing I might have forget the last time: I also added the questions for the Turkish cases (e.g. who?, whom?, what?,...) If you are an English native speaker, you might like to start with the Dative case: http://german.stackexchange.com/questions/2479/recommended-ways-to-learn-the-cases Use many examples (also complete questions and complete answers) to learn it, and you'll start to understand the grammar without even learning the theory. The Dative case must be very hard for English speaking people.
Looking backwards, one important reason for the creation of those theory cards was, that I knew better which of those non-theoretical grammar cards to create and also I could check, if I was missing grammar cards.
Greetings,
Abakus
Peter Bienstman
To achieve what you want, only deactivate the tags once you've reviewed the scheduled cards.
Cheers,
Peter