Consciousness Is Not Yours, You Are Its

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Vam

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Jul 21, 2019, 12:16:17 AM7/21/19
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If you are still foraging for food, waiting for a soundbyte from your favourite politician, or dressing up for that great selfie on the river overbridge...skip this post.

We have known this for about 15 millennia. Every mainstream person knows it as something given and granted. And I am writing much about the same thing in my own way, without any claim whatsoever to being a pioneer !

Those interested can read this stuff and get a hang of it before forming your opinion...
https://www.physics-astronomy.org/2019/07/quantum-theory-proves-that.html#.XTJ69RYSNvY.twitter

Allan H

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Jul 21, 2019, 5:40:16 AM7/21/19
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I read the article and  there was nothing that I had not read or heard before. what I did read was a person trying to sound original by using the latest modern buzz word..  and totally lacking in originality.
the American aboriginals have same beliefs which  date back thousands of years. the other problem I have is learned that eons ago and believe If I am aware of the concept so are many others.
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Vam

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Jul 29, 2019, 1:10:22 PM7/29/19
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That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The latter just seem different, one from the rest.

Or, is it that I am going too far ?

Rajendra Pal Singh

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Jul 29, 2019, 1:22:35 PM7/29/19
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Consciousness or awareness is a state of the individual, even in deep sleep there isa low level of consciousness. Beyond consciousness is pure consciousness in which there are no attributes, where there is only one and no other, not even the self-sense.

On Mon 29 Jul, 2019, 10:40 PM Vam, <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
That wasn't the main point of discussion I wished to start with my post. It was that we are not individuals who are conscious but consciousness, the one and the same behind every individual being. The latter just seem different, one from the rest.

Or, is it that I am going too far ?

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Rajendra Pal Singh

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Jul 29, 2019, 1:56:56 PM7/29/19
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In fact there is no death, only transformation. When an individual dies the body disintegrates and amalgamates with the five element and the self-sense, the soul, becomes one with Pure Consciousness.
For those who believe in rebirth the soul comes back from pure consciousness again and again, taking birth after birth until it's karma is burnt and then achieves Moksha or permanent union with the One.
Ultimately, the One alone is the Truth, all else is maya.

Allan H

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Jul 29, 2019, 5:25:32 PM7/29/19
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I can only explain  ideas as I see them. 
all my  greatest ideas I find are all ready been developed by  someone else.. even my take.
so what is your take on how people should live.

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Allan H

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Jul 29, 2019, 5:31:01 PM7/29/19
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I am not able to access Twitter. just not interested in the app.. 
a minor suggestion why not cut  and paste the part you want to share.
PS. I hate spy apps..I already have to many.

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Don Johnson

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Jul 29, 2019, 5:43:22 PM7/29/19
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I prefer the idea of oblivion. I don’t need to worry about coming back to this ball of suffering and pain. And I know I’ve had it easy. Karma would have me coming back as a slug or something. No thank you.

Rajendra Pal Singh

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Jul 29, 2019, 11:21:33 PM7/29/19
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Whatever we do has a consequence or effect. We face some of the consequences of our actions in this life and leave it to posterity to grapple with the consequences of our actions, for example global warming.

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Allan

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Aug 2, 2019, 5:57:56 AM8/2/19
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LOL I some what believe in reincarnation but not as presented by Hinduism. ¿Reincarnation? Is of the 'Soul' which has little to nothing to the physical structure that allows the Soul to exist in the environment that it finds itself in.
This reality as I conceive it is more of a Mandala of the Being of 'God' where everything and more is contained.
Slug well Don if that is what you really want I am guessing you can arrange to be in that existence if that is really want.
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Molly Brogan

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Aug 2, 2019, 7:56:47 PM8/2/19
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Seems to me, at some point, the realm of cause and effect is transcended. At that point, I'm with Don.
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Rajendra Pal Singh

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Aug 3, 2019, 3:44:05 AM8/3/19
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Every religion has a code of conduct, but sadly it is not the same. So the question how we should live differs from religion to religion and culture to culture.

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Molly Brogan

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Aug 3, 2019, 9:09:36 AM8/3/19
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the paradox of the one and the many


On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 3:44:05 AM UTC-4, RP wrote:
Every religion has a code of conduct, but sadly it is not the same. So the question how we should live differs from religion to religion and culture to culture.

On Tue 30 Jul, 2019, 2:55 AM Allan H, <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can only explain  ideas as I see them. 
all my  greatest ideas I find are all ready been developed by  someone else.. even my take.
so what is your take on how people should live.

do no harm

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 6:16 AM Vam, <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are still foraging for food, waiting for a soundbyte from your favourite politician, or dressing up for that great selfie on the river overbridge...skip this post.

We have known this for about 15 millennia. Every mainstream person knows it as something given and granted. And I am writing much about the same thing in my own way, without any claim whatsoever to being a pioneer !

Those interested can read this stuff and get a hang of it before forming your opinion...
https://www.physics-astronomy.org/2019/07/quantum-theory-proves-that.html#.XTJ69RYSNvY.twitter

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ashok tewari

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Aug 3, 2019, 10:30:41 AM8/3/19
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We do not have to be taken up every other associated or related aspect of the phenomena, when looking at the subject of this thread in the eye.

We are conscious. We hence seem to lay a proprietary claim on consciousness, thinking there is no consciousness without ourself, believing therefore that consciousness is an attribute of our being.

The other view - transcendental, I may mention - is that it is consciousness that precedes our being and outlasts our individual existence.

The first view puts us up as a central collossus. With the second, we are a blip...

For some, knowing the truth of the matter is crucial; for others, it is not. 

There, I have said everything, leaving the ball in your court. :)D


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Rajendra Pal Singh

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Aug 3, 2019, 10:59:46 AM8/3/19
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The view that consciousness precedes our being and outlasts us is the same as Pure Consciousness preceding us and outlasting us. In both cases we are just bubbles in an ocean.

On Sat 3 Aug, 2019, 8:00 PM ashok tewari, <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
We do not have to be taken up every other associated or related aspect of the phenomena, when looking at the subject of this thread in the eye.

We are conscious. We hence seem to lay a proprietary claim on consciousness, thinking there is no consciousness without ourself, believing therefore that consciousness is an attribute of our being.

The other view - transcendental, I may mention - is that it is consciousness that precedes our being and outlasts our individual existence.

The first view puts us up as a central collossus. With the second, we are a blip...

For some, knowing the truth of the matter is crucial; for others, it is not. 

There, I have said everything, leaving the ball in your court. :)D

On Saturday, August 3, 2019, Molly Brogan <molly...@gmail.com> wrote:
the paradox of the one and the many

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 3:44:05 AM UTC-4, RP wrote:
Every religion has a code of conduct, but sadly it is not the same. So the question how we should live differs from religion to religion and culture to culture.

On Tue 30 Jul, 2019, 2:55 AM Allan H, <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can only explain  ideas as I see them. 
all my  greatest ideas I find are all ready been developed by  someone else.. even my take.
so what is your take on how people should live.

do no harm

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, 6:16 AM Vam, <atewa...@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are still foraging for food, waiting for a soundbyte from your favourite politician, or dressing up for that great selfie on the river overbridge...skip this post.

We have known this for about 15 millennia. Every mainstream person knows it as something given and granted. And I am writing much about the same thing in my own way, without any claim whatsoever to being a pioneer !

Those interested can read this stuff and get a hang of it before forming your opinion...
https://www.physics-astronomy.org/2019/07/quantum-theory-proves-that.html#.XTJ69RYSNvY.twitter

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Allan H

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Aug 3, 2019, 12:11:15 PM8/3/19
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Cause and effect is  always at play in hindi as dharma and karma. 

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ashok tewari

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The whole of science is about cause and effect with nature of things and material properties in between.
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Allan H

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Aug 4, 2019, 3:29:48 AM8/4/19
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Cause and effect is not necessarily what science  is all about at the all though it is about identifying  different  parts and particles often it occured by  the  cause and effect.
I think that one needs to take in other realities other than the primitive  ~ Earth ~ Air ~ Fire ~ Water. We realize  because of the "Red Shift" in the observation of  light that the physical universe our bodies exist within is expanding. 
The confusion for me starts when I  ask the question just what is our universe expanding into if nothing exists?

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Rajendra Pal Singh

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Aug 4, 2019, 3:37:33 AM8/4/19
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In my view the space is being gradually created into which our universe is expanding.

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Aug 4, 2019, 3:57:22 AM8/4/19
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🤔 in reality  it is a massive amounts. Some say the universe is expanding at a rate faster than the speed of light.. the expansion rate is not effected by the speed of light..
If universe  is expanding into something that doesn't exist,  so just what nothing is our universe  expanding ?
🤔🙄 from observations could it be from what the Christian world calls ¿Hell?
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Rajendra Pal Singh

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Aug 4, 2019, 4:14:15 AM8/4/19
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God exists and from him space is being continuously created into which our universe is expanding. According to Hindu view the universe is made of 5 elements-- air, water, fire, earth and space. This is the lower Nature, the higher is consciousness.

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Allan

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Aug 4, 2019, 4:58:13 AM8/4/19
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I have been saying that for years.
All things are created from the being commonly known as God in the western world. Is known by a variety of names depending as where you are and what you believe.
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Rajendra Pal Singh

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Aug 4, 2019, 5:29:31 AM8/4/19
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Agreed.

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