Why xray are use for lower thickness

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Prasad Rode

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Why xray are commonly used for thickness of material 5mm and below.
Is gamma ray, will take more exposure time. Or any other good technical reason.

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George Dilintas

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Nov 13, 2016, 9:21:16 PM11/13/16
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much better contrast

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In lower thickness X Ray will give you a better sensitivity.

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Dear sir,

Why xray are commonly used for thickness of material 5mm and below.
Is gamma ray, will take more exposure time. Or any other good technical reason.

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Prasad

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Prasad Rode

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Nov 16, 2016, 5:00:03 AM11/16/16
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Dear prem and George sir,

Thanks for reply.
I want to ask that if I use the high sourse ir192 and increase the exposure time i.e. time as required by calculation, can I get the good radiographs and using iqi of din standard.
Our thickness of pipe is below 4mm.
We required genuine and technical reason to insist to contractor.
Requesting for response.

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Prasad

Raju Kandula

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Nov 16, 2016, 7:09:23 AM11/16/16
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Radiographs with x Ray have high definition and good weld image for review compared to gamma ray

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certainly you can, for this thickness you will get a good image

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no, X-ray is the best one

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Dear prem and George sir,

Thanks for reply.
I want to ask that if I use the high sourse ir192 and increase the exposure time i.e. time as required by calculation, can I get the good radiographs and using iqi of din standard.
Our thickness of pipe is below 4mm.
We required genuine and technical reason to insist to contractor.
Requesting for response.

Regards
Prasad

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anthony chundal

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You have to use D4 film if Ir192,


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Prasad Rode

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Dear Sir's,

I agree that , we get better quality of radiograph in xray.
I only want to discussed that,
1) If we want to talk about radiography quality, then if required IQI is visible, then we can say that minimum defects is visible as required IQI is visible.
Code also says that radiographs quality or acceptance, depends on visibility of require IQI.
2) my another point is that, in which section or code, it is mention, that below particular thickness of material, xray to be use and above that thickness, gamma is allowed. So that we can insist contractor to do the same.

Thanks for response.
Expecting the same.

Regards
Prasad

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Nov 18, 2016, 9:59:24 PM11/18/16
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Regarding your point no2, you will never find such a recommendation in the Code



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Perumal Govindan

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Nov 18, 2016, 11:18:35 PM11/18/16
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Hi Prasad

Based on my experience, radiographic source to be used is always mentioned in the Client NDT specification.

In case, if not mentioned you may go for Selenium-75 radiography source for better quality of radiography image.

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Hello Everyone,

 

I think some back to basics/fundamentals are required to understand which way to proceed, X-Ray or Gamma Ray for radiography. Source intensity vs. required contrast/density is always a challenge to any radiographer. Skilled radiographer could easily manipulate those with experience.

 

For a thickness of 4 mm, X-Ray would be the way to go, not the Gamma Ray, due to its high intensity and failure to get the right contrast. If isotopes are to be chosen, certainly it WILL NOT be  not Ir-192

 

This paper highlights all the merits/demerits of both the techniques and is worth reading.

 

Thanks.

 

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Dear Mr. Prasad,

 

Please refer clause no. 7.2 of ISO 17636-2 titled as Choice of tube voltage and radiation source. This standard guides you to select appropriate X ray equipment or gamma ray source for different thickness of different materials.

 

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Dear Sir's,

I agree that , we get better quality of radiograph in xray.
I only want to discussed that,
1) If we want to talk about radiography quality, then if required IQI is visible, then we can say that minimum defects is visible as required IQI is visible.
Code also says that radiographs quality or acceptance, depends on visibility of require IQI.
2) my another point is that, in which section or code, it is mention, that below particular thickness of material, xray to be use and above that thickness, gamma is allowed. So that we can insist contractor to do the same.

Thanks for response.
Expecting the same.

Regards
Prasad

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Dear prem and George sir,

Thanks for reply.
I want to ask that if I use the high sourse ir192 and increase the exposure time i.e. time as required by calculation, can I get the good radiographs and using iqi of din standard.
Our thickness of pipe is below 4mm.
We required genuine and technical reason to insist to contractor.
Requesting for response.

Regards
Prasad

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Hi,
BS EN 1435 specified about the selection of source (permit). Please find the extracted pages for your reference. Since I dont have BS EN ISO 17636 , I refer from BS EN 1435.
 
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Extracted pages from BS EN 1435-1997.pdf

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Prasad et all,
Selective absorption is the basic principle of radiography and it depends on a given material's density, A No., thickness etc. Under similar conditions of source energy and not so much the intensity, let me point out, low thickness will offer less absorption and more transmission - making the film dark and and a radiographic image with poor contrast making it difficult to distinguish a discontinuity from sound material. (Allow me to repeat, sound material and discontinuities respond differently to a passing radiation.) This will defy the very purpose of a good radiograph. Gamma sources have definite energy levels and can not be controlled, so to say, for any variation vis-a-vis thickness. With x-rays, you have facility to control energy (kV control) and mA control for intensity . Exposure time has, of course, its own role to play. This makes use of x-rays more versatile - you can change energy as per thickness, and intensity and exposure time as per optical density requirements.
 
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