Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: 21-based K8s Community Micro Tasks

[Tim Hockin]

Curiously, I was JUST listening to a radio piece exploring the effects
of intrinsic and extrinsic motivators. It is well understood that
"common purpose" and "for the greater good" (intrinsic motivators) are
more effective than money and stuff (extrinsic motivators). The
interesting part was that the addition of an extrinsic motivator to a
situation which was already intrinsically motivated REDUCED the net
motivation.

So we should be careful that applying money to our community doesn't
change it from a righteous mission into a low-paying job.

Tim

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Lucas Käldström <lu...@luxaslabs.com> wrote:
> Adding kubernetes-dev and kubernetes-maintainers...
>
> On May 28 2017, at 12:31 am, Joseph Jacks <jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/kubernetesonarm/status/868577771953455105
>>
>> Lucas and I got to DM'ing earlier and came up with this over the last
>> hour. Feedback welcome!
>>
>> Doc:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VQDIAB0OqiSjIHI8AWMvSdceWhnz56jNpZrLs6o7NJY/edit#heading=h.en8cy6hno0c6
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[Tim Hockin]

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Jacks <jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks! I do hear you, Tim --- however, I find that such an experiment is
> worthy in the face of the challenges the project has in this area. Why not
> have both extrinsic and intrinsic, then see what happens?

That was the point of the study. Intrinsic motivators alone ("help
make the world a better place") were MORE effective than combined
motivators ("help make the world a better place, and here's 100 bucks
for your effort").

> Would love more feedback.

Something I wanted to do but fell off my plate is to set up a kube
"janitors" effort. This has been pretty effective in the Linux
kernel, finding ways for people who didn't know the whole kernel to
contribute, clean up, and earn an identity ("I'm on the kernel
janitors team!"), and take a ton of tasks off the backlog. It needs a
rally point, a website, a logo, and some serious effort cataloging
initial work items.

[Daniel Smith]

I agree w/ Tim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overjustification_effect#Volunteering

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Joseph Jacks <jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

CIL

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 3:45:29 PM UTC-7, Tim Hockin wrote:

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Jacks <jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks! I do hear you, Tim --- however, I find that such an experiment is
> worthy in the face of the challenges the project has in this area. Why not
> have both extrinsic and intrinsic, then see what happens?

That was the point of the study.  Intrinsic motivators alone ("help
make the world a better place") were MORE effective than combined
motivators ("help make the world a better place, and here's 100 bucks
for your effort").

21 also allows the reward to be automatically credited to a charity: currently, there are four choices: CoinCenter, Black Girls Code, Folding At Home, Code To Inspire.

 

> Would love more feedback.

Something I wanted to do but fell off my plate is to set up a kube
"janitors" effort.  This has been pretty effective in the Linux
kernel, finding ways for people who didn't know the whole kernel to
contribute, clean up, and earn an identity ("I'm on the kernel
janitors team!"), and take a ton of tasks off the backlog.  It needs a
rally point, a website, a logo, and some serious effort cataloging
initial work items.

This along with the K8sport effort share similar aims! I think what we are envisioning here is highly complimentary. 

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[Brian Grant]

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:45 PM, 'Tim Hockin' via Kubernetes Maintainers <kubernetes-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Jacks <jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks! I do hear you, Tim --- however, I find that such an experiment is
> worthy in the face of the challenges the project has in this area. Why not
> have both extrinsic and intrinsic, then see what happens?

That was the point of the study.  Intrinsic motivators alone ("help
make the world a better place") were MORE effective than combined
motivators ("help make the world a better place, and here's 100 bucks
for your effort").

> Would love more feedback.

Something I wanted to do but fell off my plate is to set up a kube
"janitors" effort.  This has been pretty effective in the Linux
kernel, finding ways for people who didn't know the whole kernel to
contribute, clean up, and earn an identity ("I'm on the kernel
janitors team!"), and take a ton of tasks off the backlog.  It needs a
rally point, a website, a logo, and some serious effort cataloging
initial work items.

And significant guidance, review, and PR bandwidth.

 

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