SK1187 09 JUNE 2018

[Saroj Kasaju]

Location : Sukhiapokahari, Darjeeling, India

Date : 12 May 2018

Elevation :  6900 ft.

Habit : Wild

Leaf only !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji 

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

SK1187 09 JUNE 2018

Re-surfacing for ID !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I think Asteraceae. May be from from Cichorieae‎ with genus like Lactuca etc.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Lactuca species ?- Sukhiapokahari, West Bengal

Group discussion at

SK1187 09 JUNE 2018 (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Lactuca species ?- Sukhiapokahari, West Bengal

Group discussion at

SK1187 09 JUNE 2018 (google.com)

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Date: Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 6:29:38 PM UTC+5:30
Subject: SK1187 09 JUNE 2018

[surajitno...@gmail.com]

If it is Asteraceae, it might be Notoseris khasiana (C.B.Clarke) N.Kilian.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Surajit ji ! 

Leaf looks slight different. Some other Notoseris ??

Saroj Kasaju

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[surajit koley]

Actually, it is under the genus Prenanthes in Flora of British India, Saroj ji, and presently at least two genera need to be consulted - Lactuca, Notoseris,  Please check FoC http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=122475, a similar sp. is N. triflora, ut with amplexicauled leaf - http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=121251&flora_id=2.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Checked but still confusing . Plant is scandent nature!

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Saroj Kasaju

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[surajit koley]

As per Flora of British India, the species is upto 4 ft slender erect herb, with deltoid leaves, having cordate base. But, KEW herbarium doesn't show cordate base - https://colplanta.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77118020-1.

KEW has some other spp too - http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:925064-1.

A paper from Gunjan ji can be consulted - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315893923_First_record_of_Prenanthes_aitchisoniana_Beauv_Roohi_Bano_Qaiser_Asteraceae_from_India

It was my guess only, since the probability of asteraceae was raised and the leaves looked deltoid. It is quite possible it may be some other asteraceae.

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[surajit koley]

Sorry, Sir, forgot to attach FBI entry.

Thank you

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surajit koley

[Saroj Kasaju]

Looks according to the keys!

Thank you Surajit Ji !

Saroj Kasaju

[surajit koley]

Sir ji, I suggest please keep it that way, for it will have its own room in eFI ! In future if more information can be obtained from other sources, or you happen to find this again and can be identified properly, it will be moved to a more furnished room!

Thank you

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surajit koley

[surajit koley]

Saroj ji, please check probability of another one (6 ft height), (Lactuca graciliflora DC. of FBI)

1. http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77117990-1
   
2. https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=7744558
   
3. http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097503
   

Better suited?

Thank you

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surajit koley

[surajit koley]

Perhaps this is your plant - http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77175234-1

Thank you

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surajit koley

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji.

Yes, May be as per GBIF- specimen and others like one and two. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Surajit Ji,

I have found  the same plant ( I guess ) in Nepal also ranging from 2200-2700m. 

Plant is not erect but scandent ( dangler) like earlier. Could you please find out the 

flowering phenology for this sp. ? 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[surajit koley]

Sir, in all literature, new or old, Lactuca decipiens C.B.Clarke (Melanoseris decipiens (C.B.Clarke) N.Kilian & Ze H.Wang) has been described as an erect herb.

According to Clarke - "Caulis 2-4 pedalis ...", meaning, I think, stem 2-4 feet.

Surprisingly, Flora of British India, Compisitae Indicae, Plants of the Indian Himalayan Region ... none describes flowering season. As per one other document the flowering season is July to November, in Kashmir, a time that covers almost all Lactuca / Melanoseris spp.

Thank you

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Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji and Saroj ji,

Pl. also examine the possibility of Lactuca brunoniana (DC.) Wall. ex C.B.Clarke as per images and details herein and as per GBIF specimens- one, two and three.

However, description here also says it to be erect as per FBI.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I want clarify here that this sp. is scandent or rather hanging from wall type 

whereas L. bruniniana is a erect shrub !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Senecio scandens var. incisus Franch. ??

https://www.gbif.org/species/6300154

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[surajit koley]

I tend to agree with you, Saroj ji, and perhaps you have solved another thread along with this one. But, presently, I cannot remember which one ... let me see ... I'll revert back

Thank you

Regards

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Surajit JI !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[surajit koley]

I attach again the relevant entry of FBI and illustrations referred therein. One illustration with auricle at leaf base and the other without.

Following the KEY in FoC, I think your id is correct.

Thank you

Regards

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Surajit Ji !

Saroj Kasaju