Rubus indicus Thunb.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

Sharing some pictures of Rubus indicus ( I guess) shot at Nagarkot on 13 August 2016 at 7000 t.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Saroj ji,

These matches with images of the same species by Dinesh ji at

Rosaceae Fortnight :: Rubus indicus :: Eravikulam National Park :: DVSEP20

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Bimal Sar kar <bima...@gmail.com>
Date: 21 August 2016 at 20:00
Subject: Re: Rubus indicus Thunb.
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

I am a little confused about the differences between Rubus indicus and Rubus moluccanus. Can some one explain?

Regards,

Bimal

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Bimal ji.

The following links may be of some use in this matter:

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Indian%20Raspberry.html

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Wild%20Raspberry.html

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear All,

Is this the same plant ? Pictures were shot at Kakani Nepal on 29 July 2016 at 6000 ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Appears so.

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Bimal Sar kar <bima...@gmail.com>
Date: 25 August 2016 at 20:19
Subject: Re: Rubus indicus Thunb.
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Garg ji,

                       As a non botanist , I try to identify plants with plates given in books. I have got two books on plants of India. These are,

( a ) THE USEFUL PLANTS OF INDIA ( CSIR Publication )

( b )EDIBLE WILD PLANTS OF THE HIMALAYAS ( R L BADHWAR ANDR R FARNANDEZ, Forest Research Institute )

In these books there is no mention of  Rubus indicus. But Rubus Indicus is there in Google.

In both the above mentioned books Rubus moluccanus is mentioned. This is how the plant is described in book at ( b )

" A prickly shrub. Leaves 5-20 cm across, digitately  3-7 lobed, with wrinkled upper surface; edges toothed. Flowers white, 1.2-2.5 cm across.  Fruit round, fleshy, red or scarlet.

Distribution: Himalayas from Kumaon to Sikkim at altitudes of 900- 2100 m and in Assam up to 1950 m.

Season : All the year round "

As per book at ( a ) the plant is known as KATSOI ( Kumaon ), SUFOKJI ( Lepcha ) and BIPEN KANTA ( Nepal ).

To me the images sent by Saroj ji  is of Rubus moluccanus and not of Rubus indicus.

Regards,

Bimal

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear All,

According to the following links all 4 names looks synonyms . As such, we van take it as R. rugosus as listed in Nepal publications .

Any further enlightening is welcome.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

javascript:popup("http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Indian Raspberry.html")

https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiWj_OV8dzOAhUMwI8KHfViCxoQFggfMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkeralaplants.in%2Fkeralaplantsdetails.aspx%3Fid%3DRubus_indicus&usg=AFQjCNEOnYIFeAi8OMPtaXmTXBdv4lSscg&sig2=BARK4Sj3NKyY4hmNdisglA

https://www.google.com.np/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiWj_OV8dzOAhUMwI8KHfViCxoQFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Findiabiodiversity.org%2Fspecies%2Fshow%2F263941&usg=AFQjCNEgRsp3xHm6aQbVXNy8KG9B758zwg&sig2=a_P2ruyJSUq3Z_Px9KRrBw

[Saroj Kasaju]

Indian Raspberry

ative Photo: Dinesh Valke Common name: Indian Raspberry • Malayalam: എരുമച്ചുള്ളി erumachchulli, കാട്ടുമുന്തിരി kattumunthiri  Botanical name:  Rubus indicus    Family: Rosaceae (Rose family) Synonyms: Rubus rugosus, Rubus wightii Indian Raspberry is a shrub with stems densely woolly. Leaves are up to 13 x 10 cm, shallowly 5-lobed, heart-shaped at base, spiny-toothed, minutely rough above, densely white-velvety below, nerves prickly below, stalk 5 cm long. Flowers are borne in leaf axils or at branch ends, densely velvety. Bracts are 10 x 6 cm, obovate, flower-stalks 8 mm long, sepals 10 x 5 mm, united below, petals obovate, white, ovary densely hairy. Fruit is 2 x 1 mm, yellow, hairless. Indian Raspberry is found in Indo-Malaysia - within India it is found in Kerala. Identification credit: Dinesh Valke Photographed at Eravilulam National Park, Munnar, Kerala. • Is this flower misidentified? If yes,

[J.M. Garg]

As Catalogue of Life 28th July 2016, Rubus moluccanus L. does not have any distribution in India, while it gives distribution of Rubus indicus as per link.

[Dinesh Valke]

Frankly, I had gone by the placard at Eravikulam National Park.

My two posts in this group are:

Eravikulam National Park :: Rubus indicus :: DV02JUL

Rosaceae Fortnight :: Rubus indicus :: Eravikulam National Park :: DVSEP20

I too am not clear about relation / difference between R. indicus and mollucanus.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Bimal ji,

When were these books published ?

Lot of changes has happened in the recent past due to rapid changes in taxonomy.

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From: Bimal Sar kar
Date: 26 August 2016 at 06:05
Subject: Re: Rubus indicus Thunb.
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Shall we say facts given in a publication of CSIR and  a publication by Forest Research Institute are wrong?

In that case some one should apprise them about the misinformation so that non botanists are enlightened.

Regards,

Bimal

[J.M. Garg]

Rubus moluccanus in view of discussions in the thread.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 14 August 2016 at 17:55
Subject: Rubus indicus Thunb.
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear all,

Adding some fresh pictures of the same plant for the final verdict on it.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji.

We have already decide on following the name Rubus moluccanus 

[J.M. Garg]

I think it may be Rubus calycinoides as per images and details herein and as per keys in Online Flora of Nepal.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 at 17:55
Subject: Rubus indicus Thunb.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes Mr. Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju