SK 2436 06 February 2020

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members
 
Location: Ranibari, Kathmandu
Date: 10 September  2019
Elevation: 1370 m.
Habitat : Wild.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

Correction:

Dear Members
 
Location: Ranibari, Kathmandu

Date: 06 February 2020

Elevation: 1370 m.
Habitat : Wild.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members
 
Location: Ranibari, Kathmandu
Date: 06 February 2020
Elevation: 1370 m.
Habitat : Wild.

Tall tree about 70-100 ft.(Approx)

Seeds sticky red.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Pls ignore !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

ID pending !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Any idea about the family ? Detailed images available at SK 2436 06 February 2020

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J.M.Garg

[Paradesi Anjaneyulu]

Solanaceae, Cestrum sp.,

With regards.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

No match with any Cestrum !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Any idea about the family ? Detailed images available at SK 2436 06 February 2020- from me

Solanaceae, Cestrum sp.,- from Paradesi ji

No match with any Cestrum ! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

Any Jasminum species ?- from me

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[surajit koley]

Couldn't find any match, Sir.

70-100 ft tall Jasminum or Cestrum? Don't know of any.

I would think of member of Lauraceae, like Litsea, but again couldn't find a suitable match.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Any idea about the family ? Detailed images available at SK 2436 06 February 2020- from me

Solanaceae, Cestrum sp.,- from Paradesi ji

No match with any Cestrum ! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

Any Jasminum species ?- from me

Couldn't find any match, Sir.

70-100 ft tall Jasminum or Cestrum? Don't know of any. I would think of member of Lauraceae, like Litsea, but again couldn't find a suitable match. Thank you. Best regards, Surajit Koley

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J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Rajeev ji.

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From: rajeev singh
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 18:44
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Not Cestrum, Jasminum or Litsea, Its definitely a member of Solanaceae, but without flower and mature fruit, cannot say anything with surety.

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[surajit koley]

Thanks SIr, that explains why I failed on Litsea !!!

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

Detailed images available at SK 2436 06 February 2020
Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Any idea about the family ? Detailed images available at SK 2436 06 February 2020- from me

Solanaceae, Cestrum sp.,- from Paradesi ji

No match with any Cestrum ! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

Any Jasminum species ?- from me

Couldn't find any match, Sir.

70-100 ft tall Jasminum or Cestrum? Don't know of any. I would think of member of Lauraceae, like Litsea, but again couldn't find a suitable match. Thank you. Best regards, Surajit Koley

Not Cestrum, Jasminum or Litsea, Its definitely a member of Solanaceae, but without flower and mature fruit, cannot say anything with surety.- from Rajeev Singh ji

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[surajit koley]

Saroj Sir,

I attach here resized photographs of your plant sp. Please, confirm all pictures are from the same plant.

Please, forgive me, I ask you this because the last picture seems to display ripe fruit and after uploading the same you asked to ignore it - https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/E83ztn9_gqc/m/1Am_ULdYBAAJ

And, also the tree is around 70 to 100 ft?

Can any member tell me which Solanaceace has 70ft representative in Indian subcontinent?

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dealer Surjit ji !

It is a small bushy shrub not very thick branches about 5/6 m. only !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[surajit koley]

Thank you, Sir.

But, I am afraid, no solanaceae member, listed in Flora of Nepal, meets your species.

Only, Solanum erianthum (NOT your plant) may attain the assumed size of your species.

There is one introduced species in India (Asam), Brunfelsia uniflora, (https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2932913) that may attain the size of your plant - https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Finaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fphotos%2F35821299%2Foriginal.jpeg%3F1556265165

I do not think your plant belongs to any of the above two Solanaceae members.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[Saroj Kasaju]

It is not I guess.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[radha veach]

If the seed images don't belong to this plant then it seems to be Cestrum nocturnum.

regards

Radha

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji and Radha ji,

On closer examination to me all the images posted by Saroj ji (except the dried fruit), belong to the same plant.

These looks somewhat different from images at Cestrum nocturnum

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[surajit koley]

I think Paradesi ji and Radha ji, both are correct.

The last picture ( "except the dried fruit", as you say) doesn\t belong to the plant concerned.

Not branches, but the entire plant would be not more than 5 to 6 meter tall.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[radha veach]

Thank you Surajit ji,

Cestrum nocturnum does occur in the wild as an escape and can grow among other plants taking the support of small trees. The images here are typical of this species at the immature fruiting stage.

regards

Radha

[Saroj Kasaju]

All images belong to same plant !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Green fruits are different from images at Cestrum nocturnum

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[surajit koley]

Yes, Madam, I also saw them growing in the wild. I just couldn't visualize that they can attain such a height to call them trees! Of-course I am not that good observant, at least, was not observant at all before joining eFI.

Thank you.

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Surajit Koley

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[surajit koley]

Ok, Sir ji, I made the mistake. first taking it as a 70 ft tree, then a shrub having 15-20 ft ranches. I apologize.

However, all your pictures can be compared with the images available at -

1. http://plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:316386-2
   
2. https://www.gbif.org/species/2928791
   
3. https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/cestrum_nocturnum.htm
   
4. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:C._nocturnum-seeds-1.jpg
   

Only, I couldn't find the "Kidney shaped seed" at the bottom-right-corner iof the last picture.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[surajit koley]

These are just green fruit, Sir! Saroj ji might have picked ripe fruits from the ground below.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji.

Do you agree with Radha ji's id?

I am not fully satisfied. Leaves also look slightly different. 

Can there be some other wild species close to it?

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[surajit koley]

Yes, Sir, I do agree 100%, instead of looking at the "single leaf" picture, please compare the leaves present in the other pictures.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[surajit koley]

We even have oblique leaf picture - https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/b155584a74132/DSC_0127%20copy.JPG?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEvb9j3oBkSaYoS--TjBJ-JWdrPGJDPM2yQ33zMuCWoXLTbN8tesd0PZoJEYTCss5YnUnxm9fa8ThWOH0BtpBox0jqfY_Vws-AKJsp_-tr85k-qtkU

at eFI page (please scroll down to end of the page. 

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[Saroj Kasaju]

Cestrum nocturnum L. is the correct ID !

21 September 2022

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[radha veach]

Glad to hear it. Thank you Saroj ji!

Regards

Radha 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Finally !!!

Thank you Radha Ji!

Saroj Kasaju

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