‎Urtica (‎‎‎‎Urticaceae) page with images of species in efloraofindia

[J.M. Garg]

Dear members,

Pl. go through ‎Urtica (‎Urticaceae) page with images of species (mainly done by Gurcharan Singh ji) in efloraofindia.

If you find any mis-identification, pl. let us know. If anybody can send images of other species of this genera (for incorporation in the website), if any, it will be really nice.

Also, if anybody is interested to take up the activity of inserting images on efloraofindia pages from efloraofindia posts, pl. let us know.
--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- more than 2500 members & 2,25,000 messages on 18.6.15) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,00,000 images).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

[Anil Thakur]

Respected Garg Ji and Dr. Gurcharan Singh Sir

Kindly find attached photographs of stipules of U. parviflora with cleft.
But I have to tolerate the nettle stings many times to click these photographs.

Regards
ANIL THAKUR

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Anil ji, for the beautiful photographs.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID checking

Looking at the size and colour of stipules, plus as mentioned by Anil ji, presence of lot of stinging hairs, I think this should be U. ardens (U. parviflora stipules 4-6 mm long, U. ardens 7-14 mm long. The splitting could be due to age. Please check other stipules especially upper on the plant. The key may be checked:

Leaf blade ovate to lanceolate, surface wrinkled when dried, margin sharply doubly serrulate; stem densely pubescent with many stinging hairs.
 
13 U. ardens
+
Leaf blade lanceolate or rarely narrowly ovate, surface nearly smooth when dried, margin crenate or inconspicuously double-denticulate to serrulate; stems sparsely pubescent with a few stinging hairs at least when old.
 
14 U. parviflora 

Group discussion at

 https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/vG9qYNJDdoU

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID checking

Looking at the size and colour of stipules, plus as mentioned by Anil ji, presence of lot of stinging hairs, I think this should be U. ardens (U. parviflora stipules 4-6 mm long, U. ardens 7-14 mm long. The splitting could be due to age. Please check other stipules especially upper on the plant. The key may be checked:

Leaf blade ovate to lanceolate, surface wrinkled when dried, margin sharply doubly serrulate; stem densely pubescent with many stinging hairs.
 
13 U. ardens
+
Leaf blade lanceolate or rarely narrowly ovate, surface nearly smooth when dried, margin crenate or inconspicuously double-denticulate to serrulate; stems sparsely pubescent with a few stinging hairs at least when old.
 
14 U. parviflora 

Group discussion at

 https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/vG9qYNJDdoU

[J.M. Garg]

--

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.

To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/8f878d7e-6f11-4a5c-a1e6-6c6c3bde8c1dn%40googlegroups.com.

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Anil ji,

Any views in the matter pl.

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Respected Garg Ji
Only three species of Urtica, i.e. U. dioica, U. parviflora and U.
hyperborea (alpine region), have been reported from H.P. None of the
published FLORAS (Flora of Himachal Pradesh by Chowdhery and Wadhwa,
Flora of Chamba District by Singh and Sharma, Flora Simlensis by
Collett, Flora of Great Himalayan National Park by Singh and Rawat,
Flora of Kullu District by Dhaliwal and Sharma, Flora of Sirmaur by
Kaur and Sharma, Flora of Bashahar Himalaya by Nair) mention the
occurrence of U. ardens in H.P. The species in the attached
photographs is most common in this region.
The attached key from eFlora of China by Dr. Singh Sir has different
description of the plants than given in local Floras. For example,
plant height according to eFlora of China is just 50 cm in U.
parviflora. However, local floras put it at 150 cm. Stipule size has
been mentioned as 1-2cm in three of the local floras while the others
are silent. However, eFlora of China mentions the stipule size 4-6 mm.
Now, my confusion is, which literature to follow. If I follow local
floras, it should be U. parviflora only. If follow the advice of Singh
Sir, then question arises, why these authors missed such a very common
plant. This is most common species in H.P. U. dioica is very rare and
it took me more than 5 years to locate it.
Garg ji, my plant is the same plant which has been identified as U.
parviflora (https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/RI3gIPTLJ3A)
by Singh Sir and not the one posted by Singh Sir as U. ardens.
I’ll collect more data and will report back soon.

Regards

On 10/23/20, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Anil ji,
> Any views in the matter pl.
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 21:24, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 21:32
>> Subject: [efloraofindia:362452] Fwd: ‎Urtica (‎‎‎‎Urticaceae) page with
>> images of species in efloraofindia
>> To: indian...@googlegroups.com <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>
>> Forwarding for ID checking
>> Looking at the size and colour of stipules, plus as mentioned by Anil ji,
>> presence of lot of stinging hairs, I think this should be U. ardens (U.
>> parviflora stipules 4-6 mm long, U. ardens 7-14 mm long. The splitting
>> could be due to age. Please check other stipules especially upper on the
>> plant. The key may be checked:
>>
>> Leaf blade ovate to lanceolate, surface wrinkled when dried, margin
>> sharply doubly serrulate; stem densely pubescent with many stinging
>> hairs.
>>

>> 13 *U*. *ardens*
>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242353568>

>> +
>> Leaf blade lanceolate or rarely narrowly ovate, surface nearly smooth
>> when
>> dried, margin crenate or inconspicuously double-denticulate to serrulate;
>> stems sparsely pubescent with a few stinging hairs at least when old.
>>

>> 14 *U*. *parviflora*
>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242353616>

>>
>> Group discussion at
>> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/vG9qYNJDdoU
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, March 28, 2016 at 6:53:33 PM UTC+5:30
>> Subject: Re: ‎Urtica (‎‎‎‎Urticaceae) page with images of species in
>> efloraofindia
>> To: indian...@googlegroups.com <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>, Ushadi <
>> micromi...@gmail.com>, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>> *Respected Garg Ji and Dr. Gurcharan Singh SirKindly find attached
>> photographs of stipules of U. parviflora with cleft.But I have to

>> tolerate
>> the nettle stings many times to click these photographs.RegardsANIL

>> THAKUROn Sunday, 27 March 2016 09:55:48 UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: Dear

>> members, Pl. go through ‎Urtica

>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/u/urticaceae/urtica>
>> (‎Urticaceae
>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/u/urticaceae>)

>> page with images of species (mainly done by Gurcharan Singh ji) in
>> efloraofindia. If you find any mis-identification, pl. let us know. If
>> anybody can send images of other species of this genera (for
>> incorporation
>> in the website), if any, it will be really nice. Also, if anybody is
>> interested to take up the activity of inserting images on efloraofindia
>> pages from efloraofindia posts, pl. let us know.-- With regards,J.M.Garg
>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1>Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow
>> Awards 2014 for efloraofindia
>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>.

>> For
>> identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,
>> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group

>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the

>> world- more than 2500 members & 2,25,000 messages on 18.6.15) or

>> Efloraofindia website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/>

>> (with
>> a species database of more than 11,000 species & 2,00,000 images). The
>> whole world uses my Image Resource

>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a

>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants
>> etc.
>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as
>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. Also author of 'A

>> Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'. *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
>> receiving emails from it, send an email to
>> indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com

>> <indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on

>> the web, visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/8f878d7e-6f11-4a5c-a1e6-6c6c3bde8c1dn%40googlegroups.com

>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/8f878d7e-6f11-4a5c-a1e6-6c6c3bde8c1dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- With regards,J.M.Garg *
>>
>
>
>
>
> *-- With regards,J.M.Garg *
>


--
With best Regards,

Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur

[Gurcharan Singh]

Anil ji

The reason being that in most Floras U. ardens has been treated as synonym of U. parviflora. The size, colour of stipules (plus stinging hairs distribution as you mentioned) perhaps are too obvious in your specimen, the only worry split at top, if it is not in other (especially upper stipules) in most specimens, there should be no problem in taking it as U. ardens.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Sir, I have observed this split in most of the specimens here in Shimla including stipules at the top.   However, this notch is narrow in the terminal ones. 

Regards 

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

One more thing, Sir 

I have seen the plant posted by you as U. ardens. The one posted by me and the other posted by you appear morphologically  different to me. 

I'll check my collection for photographs. These days, I am busy with some other assignments. 

One new species of Urtica has also got it's entry in H.P. recently, which I'll share later on. 

Regards 

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020, 8:46 am Gurcharan Singh, <sing...@gmail.com> wrote: