Quilisma fusion

[Steven Clark]

I'm trying to reproduce the first neume of the following:

Note the line connecting the first punctum to the quilisma. I read in the documentation that you can't fuse a quilisma with the note before it. So, my attempts at reproducing that lead to this, without the connecting line:

(gabc code: e@gwhgh) 

Is there any workaround for this, short of editing the pdf and manually inserting a line?

(I know the clef is different, I just threw together a quick gabcsnippet for the latter image)

In Jesus and Mary,

Steven Clark

[Patrick Williams]

I came across this very issue less than a week ago with the gradual Adjutor in opportunitatibus, where the Graduale Novum (2.30) writes the same glyph at the beginning of the last syllable of the verse.  In the analogous figure in the gradual Sciant gentes, at stipulam (1.72), it's not connected.  Sometimes you can force a pseudo-ligature with a /[-2.1] command, but this was the closest I managed to get for this case, faking it with a bar line: (e!/[-2.9],1!/[-2.85]gwhgh)

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[Steven Clark]

After playing around with the spacing in your example, I managed to approximate it. The only problem is that the bar looks larger than a normal quarter bar and extends down below the lower note. Looking at the documentation (for 6.0.0), it looks like a "Dominican bar". The documentation only mentions putting the quarter bar on the ledger line above - does putting it elsewhere automatically replace it with a Dominican bar?

[Steven Clark]

Hmm, it seems that there's a mistake in the documentation. In the main part, it says that a Dominican bar is typeset with a semicolon, but in the glyph tables, it is with a comma. So yes, it does indeed place a Dominican bar there.

I had the idea of replacing the Dominican bar with a quarter or eighth bar via \grechangeglyph (since I don't actually use Dominican bars at all) but unfortunately, none of the bar heights was quite right. I ended up replacing the Dominican bar with the glyph LeadingPunctumTwoInitioDebilis.

Of course, this workaround wouldn't work for someone who does use Dominican bars, unfortunately, and it might not work at every note height. But hopefully that can help someone.

Thank you for your help!

[Fr. Samuel Springuel]

Dominican bars can be typeset with both commas and semicolons. The documentation isn’t so much mistaken as incomplete since it only mentions one of the ways in each location (semicolons on the website and in section 6.4.9 of the documentation, but commas in the glyph tables).

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> On Sep 28, 2023, at 12:34 PM, Steven Clark <stevenmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmm, it seems that there's a mistake in the documentation. In the main part, it says that a Dominican bar is typeset with a semicolon, but in the glyph tables, it is with a comma. So yes, it does indeed place a Dominican bar there.
>
> I had the idea of replacing the Dominican bar with a quarter or eighth bar via \grechangeglyph (since I don't actually use Dominican bars at all) but unfortunately, none of the bar heights was quite right. I ended up replacing the Dominican bar with the glyph LeadingPunctumTwoInitioDebilis.
>
> Of course, this workaround wouldn't work for someone who does use Dominican bars, unfortunately, and it might not work at every note height. But hopefully that can help someone.
>
> Thank you for your help!
> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 Steven Clark wrote:
> After playing around with the spacing in your example, I managed to approximate it. The only problem is that the bar looks larger than a normal quarter bar and extends down below the lower note. Looking at the documentation (for 6.0.0), it looks like a "Dominican bar". The documentation only mentions putting the quarter bar on the ledger line above - does putting it elsewhere automatically replace it with a Dominican bar?
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:24:13 PM UTC-7 organ...@aol.com wrote:
> I came across this very issue less than a week ago with the gradual Adjutor in opportunitatibus, where the Graduale Novum (2.30) writes the same glyph at the beginning of the last syllable of the verse. In the analogous figure in the gradual Sciant gentes, at stipulam (1.72), it's not connected. Sometimes you can force a pseudo-ligature with a /[-2.1] command, but this was the closest I managed to get for this case, faking it with a bar line: (e!/[-2.9],1!/[-2.85]gwhgh)
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 2:02 PM Steven Clark <stevenmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to reproduce the first neume of the following:
>
>
>

> Note the line connecting the first punctum to the quilisma. I read in the documentation that you can't fuse a quilisma with the note before it. So, my attempts at reproducing that lead to this, without the connecting line:
>

> (gabc code: e@gwhgh)
>
> Is there any workaround for this, short of editing the pdf and manually inserting a line?
>
> (I know the clef is different, I just threw together a quick gabcsnippet for the latter image)
>
> In Jesus and Mary,
> Steven Clark
>
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