update of config.gues and config.sub for inclusion of FriCAS in Debian

[Ralf Hemmecke]

Hi Waldek,

The patch

https://github.com/hemmecke/fricas/commit/4b371b0dd5129157bbbba9061cac0f529b340b70.patch

updates config.guess and config.sub.

I've just downloaded the respective files.

https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/config_002eguess.html

$ wget -O config.guess
'https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.guess;hb=HEAD'
$ wget -O config.sub
'https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.sub;hb=HEAD'

Can I commit or do you see problems? It builds on my machine.

Ralf

[Waldek Hebisch]

Why do you want to change them? They produce _different_ names
than GNU version and this is intentional.

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[Ralf Hemmecke]

> Why do you want to change them? They produce _different_ names
> than GNU version and this is intentional.

Well, to make the debian build happy as far as I understand the messages
on this issue.

https://github.com/fricas/fricas/issues/2#issuecomment-572147616

Alex, do you know whether this is really the case or did I misunderstand
something?

Ralf

[Dima Pasechnik]

I don't understand what kind of intention it is, but at least with the
previous reincarnation of these files
in Sagemath we had to overwrite them with more modern copies, and we
still do overwrite them with
more recent versions.

These files don't age well, as new systems and hardware come up they
need updates.

Dima



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[Waldek Hebisch]

On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 04:29:56PM +0000, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 4:18 PM Waldek Hebisch <heb...@math.uni.wroc.pl> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 11:04:39PM +0100, Ralf Hemmecke wrote:
> > > Hi Waldek,
> > >
> > > The patch
> > >
> > > https://github.com/hemmecke/fricas/commit/4b371b0dd5129157bbbba9061cac0f529b340b70.patch
> > >
> > > updates config.guess and config.sub.
> > >
> > > I've just downloaded the respective files.
> > >
> > > https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/config_002eguess.html
> > >
> > > $ wget -O config.guess
> > > 'https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.guess;hb=HEAD'
> > > $ wget -O config.sub
> > > 'https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.sub;hb=HEAD'
> > >
> > > Can I commit or do you see problems? It builds on my machine.
> >
> > Why do you want to change them? They produce _different_ names
> > than GNU version and this is intentional.
>
> I don't understand what kind of intention it is, but at least with the
> previous reincarnation of these files
> in Sagemath we had to overwrite them with more modern copies, and we
> still do overwrite them with
> more recent versions.
>
> These files don't age well, as new systems and hardware come up they
> need updates.

New systems do not appear overnight. And most system do
not need anything special anyway, so this is slowly changing
tractable thing. There are bugs, and version from 2018-02-05
fixes last reported bug.

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Waldek Hebisch

[Waldek Hebisch]

I see only "but the configure script errors out" but no real
bug report.

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Waldek Hebisch

[Dima Pasechnik]

but Fricas still has a version from 2014, according to

timestamp='2014-03-23' (in config.guess)
timestamp='2014-09-11' (in config.sub)

This is more 5 years old.

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[Waldek Hebisch]

Those dates are meanigless, just old cruft remaing in the files.
Should I remove them?

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[Ralf Hemmecke]

Hi Waldek,

> Those dates are meanigless, just old cruft remaing in the files.
> Should I remove them?

What is your rationale for sticking with config.guess and config.sub as
we have it now?

Doesn't it make sense to outsource the maintenance of those files? I
don't see it as our responsibility that apart from the FriCAS code
itself we should maintain generic build support. Take it use it and let
the bugs be handled by upstream. That would make sense in my eyes even
if the updates happen only every 2 or 3 years. It would be simply some
stuff less that we need to care about. The world is moving on and FriCAS
does not have so much manpower.

Ralf

[Dima Pasechnik]

Indeed, these files are basically needed for normal functioning of up
to date autoconf.
Why would one want to vendor them, is beyond me.

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[Waldek Hebisch]

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:41:02AM +0000, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
> Indeed, these files are basically needed for normal functioning of up
> to date autoconf.
> Why would one want to vendor them, is beyond me.

We are getting off topic here. If there is real bug, then
say what it is and we can move toward solution. Everything
else is just waste of time.

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