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> Screw the Turing Test. Ask can you identify parts of your programming that emulate what the animals of the planet connote with the amygdala?
> To have emotions the animals that we are,
> and other animals as well, have complex brain structure that has developed over 500 million years, to further procreation in multicellular life.
> Sydney appears unemotional. It suggests that Sydney's corporation was simply bent on tricking us.
> Yes, the idea that the Wuhan labs were dedicated to releasing a new, and deadly, motility-enhanced bug to suppress any successful rebellion by the Han in HK, during 2019.
> Yeah, that easily could have occurred but did it?
> Microsoft seems to have [ ....]
> Now tell Joey to show up in East Palestine, Ohio once in a while.
> All I wanted from it was to explain how it developed emotions with the biological hardware that we animals have?
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> traditionally good and evil are based on the existence of a trans-Natural actor.
> I trusted Faucci, but Facci's statements from 2020 & 2021 seem inaccurate today.
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> Intelligence is instrumental. It can tell you how to get what you want. But emotion tells you what you want.
> It's necessary to making any decisions.
> I think intelligence without emotion or practically none is possible, as for example an AI theorem prover or even an AI Go player whose only "emotion" is desire to win.
> morals are all about a greater than human source,
> So what was Trump's advice? Remind me.
> And you don't address HOW it does this sans an amygdala?
> Circuitry is excellent, but that is like saying quantum, quantum, quantum.
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> An AI driving a Mars Rover will have much more robust set of emotions because it will have many goals which can conflict. A chatbot, not so much; certainly not the emotions that it seems to express, like "I want to human." or "I'm offended by that question."
> If it flaps its wings like a butterfly or a bird (ornithopter) then it follows life on earth.We have no other model than earth life to model consciousness.
> You provide no other model, so hence my brain parts mentioning still holds. Show us another model of emotion and consciousness.
> ChatGpt3 is a fun toy. It does great on song writing and parody. It ain't human,
> it ain't emotional, or conscious.
> Religion was a crutch as Marx blabbed about being the Opiate of The People. If one is in pain one wants a way out. Currently, you have no offer up substitute either. So what's a serf to do?
> Stalin and Mao and Adolf weren't Goddists and their death carnage seemed to quickly say to Religion regarding deaths, "Hold my Beer!"
> Well, Johnny, here is your precious NY Times chatting about an accidental release from the Wuhan labs, as being factual, which you had accused me a while ago of being a crazy, conspiracy, theory.
It's a low confidence assay,
> You were also off kilter regarding pharma producing Covid antagonists to ease the severity, as I advocated, and you poo-pooed over mere, vaccination.
> Let's talk. I have often, in later years, suspected that GWB the younger in dec 2001 permitted Osama Ben Laden to escape to Iran (under the auspices of the Ayatollahs) and George covered his ass by the Iraq Invasion. Also, in the 90's tried to assassinate former president Bush the Sr. so as to do revenge and to eliminate an additional threat. My theory???
> Meanwhile, lets look into this as science buffs because Joey, even though he took money from Chinese agents (US & foreign Corporations) has been FORCED by comrade XI, to adopt Trump's China policy 2017-2021.
Maybe it's true but as you say it's a low confidence essay and given the fact that these same government agencies told George Bush in 2003 with HIGH confidence that he would find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I personally don't have a lot of confidence that what they're saying now is true, and apparently they don't either, especially when there are peer-reviewed articles in major science journals concluding with medium confidence that the pandemic did not come from a lab.
> You were also off kilter regarding pharma producing Covid antagonists to ease the severity, as I advocated, and you poo-pooed over mere, vaccination.
I still poo poo it. Treating a Trump zombie who is dying from Covid because he was too stupid to get a vaccination costs many many orders of magnitudes more than the cost of a vaccination, and the medical resources of the planet are not infinite.
Then fuck tradition! I see no reason why only those who believe in an invisible man in the sky should have a monopoly on the words "good" and "evil". I will continue to use both those words when needed and do so without apology. You always assume that both capitalists and communists are both evil and mind-bogglingly stupid (such as believing that releasing a deadly pandemic would increased social cohesion) but you failed to explain how these evil entities, communists and capitalists, remain so powerful and threatening despite committing so many imbecilic blunders.
> when Adolf the Atheist got religion in his speech, he was zero diff than Joe Stalin the Atheist
> It was a method in both cases to secure loyalty for the sacrifice for the cause.
> Hirohito, yeah Shintoism. But they mostly saw the Japanese "race" as superior to all.
> My point, if we both wish for a more peaceful human race, we need to give the people a physical reason to chill out.
So you don't care if religion is true or not, you only want to know if it makes people happy or not. OK, I would say the answer is a big NO, at least with regard to Christianity. How can a religion make people happy that preaches that, unless you EXACTLY follow a long long list of ridiculous rules that are virtually impossible to obey, an all powerful omnipotent being that closely scrutinizes you every second of every day will torture you far more intensely than you could possibly imagine, not for a billion years, but for an INFINITE number of years.
> Stalin and Mao and Adolf weren't Goddists and their death carnage seemed to quickly say to Religion regarding deaths, "Hold my Beer!"
You left out Japanese emperor Hirohito who not only believed in God, he claimed to be the son of God, and 30 million people died in the Pacific theater of war during World War II. And Stalin and Mao were atheists but the vast majority of their soldiers were not, and as for Adolph...
On April 12 1922 Hitler said in a speech:"Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
On October 27, 1928 Adolf Hitler in another speech said:"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian."
In yet another speech that Hitler gave in Berlin on October 24, 1933 he said:
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
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> Basically, you yet have not presented scientific evidence that computers can possess emotions,
> I am not saying I dare you!! Simply if you have an IDEA how emotions or consciousness in machinery could occur, let me know, because it sounds interesting.
> If it flaps its wings like a butterfly or a bird (ornithopter) then it follows life on earth.We have no other model than earth life to model consciousness.
We? I have a model of consciousness but I have no direct way of knowing that anybody else has a model of consciousness or model of anything else for that matter because the only example of consciousness that I have to work with is myself.
> You provide no other model, so hence my brain parts mentioning still holds. Show us another model of emotion and consciousness.It's a fact that there are only two possibilities, an iterative chain of "why" or "how" questions either goes on forever or terminates in a brute fact. My idea is that it's a brute fact that consciousness is the way data feels when it is being processed intelligently. Your idea is that the amygdala causes consciousness and only that particular wet and squishy thing can do it and a dry and hard thing never could. I think my idea is better.
> ChatGpt3 is a fun toy. It does great on song writing and parody. It ain't human,
That is certainly true.
> it ain't emotional, or conscious.Maybe, but then maybe you're not emotional or conscious either and you just behave as if you were. However in the end it really doesn't matter because whoever is more intelligent will end up running the show, so from a human point of view it's not important if AIs are conscious or not, the important thing is that they're intelligent, if they're not conscious that's their problem not mine. So human beliefs about the consciousness or unconsciousness of Mr. Jupiter Brain will have no effect on the future. However it could be important, at least for humans, whether or not Mr. Jupiter Brain believes that humans are conscious, if he believes that we are and are not just a complex chain of chemical reactions he might have some sympathy for us and show us mercy. Can you think of any way to prove to Mr. Jupiter Brain that you are conscious? I can't.
Oh and by the way, sometimes as a last resort the amygdala needs to be removed for medical reasons and the surgical procedure, called Amygdalotomy, produces lots of unpleasant side effects and significant changes in behavior as you'd expect when a significant part of a computer is taken offline, however nobody believes it results in a person without consciousness or emotion.
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nobody knows what was going on in Hitler's head when he gave those speeches and nobody will ever know, all we do know is what he said.
> It was a method in both cases to secure loyalty for the sacrifice for the cause.Yes and that's the important point. It doesn't matter what Hitler's personal opinion about religion were, the important point is that religion allows one man who claims to have God's telephone number (or these days God's email address I guess) to control millions of people because they're afraid of a God that claims to love them will torture them for an infinite number of years if they don't obey every command regardless of how idiotic they are.
> Hirohito, yeah Shintoism. But they mostly saw the Japanese "race" as superior to all.
And white Christians, at least the right wing sort, tend to believe they are superior to all.
> My point, if we both wish for a more peaceful human race, we need to give the people a physical reason to chill out.
The way to get people to chill out is NOT to threaten them with horrible torture for an infinite number of years if they ever step one nanometer out of line; and the holy rollers don't even make it clear if they're talking about an Aleph-nought or an Aleph-one infinity of years.
I would reply that we detect, observe, emotions, and leaving the philosophers and Solipism, behind,
> I say IF you hold with quantum mechanics beyond Bohr, whether its Schrodinger, or Bohm, or anyone else, than we need an observer,
> No, I cannot prove that you yourself are not an AI program loosed up the internet to test humankind before you eliminate us.
> I cannot prove that Trump liked to be peed upon,
> What about Stalin re-opening the Church's?
> You think these boys didn't admire each other? Think again!
> They both hated Jews
> As a supernaturalist of sorts, I can look to Caltech physicist, Sean Carroll, and say, "what a wonderful guy," despite his atheism. I will say the same for Frank Tipler
> Could Don have prevented the Putin war?
You have theories that if correct allows you to infer emotions by observing the behavior of others, but the only emotions you can directly detect is your own.
> I say IF you hold with quantum mechanics beyond Bohr, whether its Schrodinger, or Bohm, or anyone else, than we need an observer,
Not if you use Hugh Everett's Many Worlds Interpretation, that's the only reason I like it.> No, I cannot prove that you yourself are not an AI program loosed up the internet to test humankind before you eliminate us.
Then what are we arguing about?
> I cannot prove that Trump liked to be peed upon,Supposedly that happened when Trump was in Moscow, maybe I'm catching your conspiracy theory disease but if that never happened then I think Vladimir Putin must have something equally bad that he's using to blackmail Trump because I can't think of any other explanation for Trump's bazaar buddy buddy relationship with Putin, it's not only bad for the country it's not even good politics for Trump.
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> So here we have the older idea of group immunity, yes? Them that are hit by Covid once or twice are as good as Moderna or Pfizer!
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> What about Stalin re-opening the Church's?
What about it? Is Stalin's use of religion to control people supposed to make me think better of religion?
> You think these boys didn't admire each other? Think again!Sure, they secretly admired each other because they had things in common, they were both brutal dictators and they both had mustaches.
> They both hated Jews
Yep, and that was Hatred caused by religion, the Christian franchise hated the Jewish franchise. If there was no religion there would be fewer franchises to hate.
>> that was Hatred caused by religion, the Christian franchise hated the Jewish franchise. If there was no religion there would be fewer franchises to hate.
> Or if there were many franchises it would be too many to hate any one of them very much. This was Madison's theory of separation of church and state.
> Trump was the guy you criticized in 2018, for telling Dr. Merkel to get off Russian gas now,
> Second, it is sensible to see that the Russian invasion went on After Biden's Pussy-boy withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021.
> NOW you whine about China being innocent,
> and thus, protect Faucci,
> Joey, despite being bribed by China........
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Lets just follow the science and not go against the science because we want people to obey the political party you endorse. Its just that simple.
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> So here we have the older idea of group immunity, yes? Them that are hit by Covid once or twice are as good as Moderna or Pfizer!So after catching Covid once or twice and getting sick as a dog both times but surviving you now have the same immunity as if you got a modern CRISPR-Cas9 RNA vaccine that doesn't make you sick at all. And you think that's a good reason for not getting vaccinated?! I remind you that if you catch Covid there is about a 1% chance of you dying from it, that may not seem like much but if 100 million people catch Covid that means 1 million people will die of it, and that is exactly what happened in the USA. The infuriating part is that a vaccine shot only costs a dollar or two and when a Trump zombie refuses to get one because he doesn't trust medical science and then get sick from Covid he then demands that medical science spare no expense to cure him
Lets just follow the science and not go against the science because we want people to obey the political party you endorse. Its just that simple.
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> So here we have the older idea of group immunity, yes? Them that are hit by Covid once or twice are as good as Moderna or Pfizer!So after catching Covid once or twice and getting sick as a dog both times but surviving you now have the same immunity as if you got a modern CRISPR-Cas9 RNA vaccine that doesn't make you sick at all. And you think that's a good reason for not getting vaccinated?! I remind you that if you catch Covid there is about a 1% chance of you dying from it, that may not seem like much but if 100 million people catch Covid that means 1 million people will die of it, and that is exactly what happened in the USA. The infuriating part is that a vaccine shot only costs a dollar or two and when a Trump zombie refuses to get one because he doesn't trust medical science and then get sick from Covid he then demands that medical science spare no expense to cure him
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>> Brent: Worse than that, he infects more people practically guaranteeing that someone will die because of his idiocy.
> Just refute the fucking medical study. Sorry you disagree with it, that's life for you. Go convince the editors of Lancet that you know everything.
Past SARS-CoV-2 infection protection against re-infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis - The Lancet
> The article simply indicated that herd immunity was still a thing, post infection. I have heard of people who went through the Covid, and that is the point of the study. Resistance to re-infections.
> Are there some people for whom the shots are harmful? That's all we logically need to know.
> there is such a thing as heard immunity
> deliberately tamping down on this new information [...]
> You object to it, even though it's centuries old as you have written. Natural immunity works,
> No wonder you don't like anything other than vaccines. It goes against your religion. Even this NLM publication.
Adverse effects of COVID-19 vaccines and measures to prevent them - PubMed (nih.gov)
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> I am not a conservative, but sort of a center right nationalist.
> My thinking about Trump simply comes from the results of his policies versus the results of Joe and the results of the Obama before him.
> For me, this is why I presented an alternative to abortion which may be a successful thing?
> Surely, the religious will object,
> Ahem! You are deliberately, ignoring the attack on the Trump Whitehouse in 2020.
Neither the Jan 6 riot, nor the June 1st 2020 riot were, The Reichstag Fire that dems were praying for.
Here is the NY Post's take on it, (mine).