Where does science lead to ?

[Cosmin Visan]

Given Alan obsession with utility, I invite him here to explain to us where does he think that science will eventually go ? More particles ? More galaxies ? More AI! AI! AI! ? More what ? AVDASGBA SDGASDG BDFBGGASD ? So what ? ASFASDFGA HDFHADH ASDFASFA!!!!! Isn't it clear to you that all this more and more and more is all meaningless ? Isn't it clear to you that whatever particles will be known in the year 3000, life will be the same, and you will still be as depressed as you are today ? So what do you think is the end game of science ? I will give you the answer, but I also wait for your answer. The answer is God. The end point of science is to open doors for consciousness to have new experiences. That's all there is to it. Not more particles and more mumbo-jumbos. The very purpose of existence is for God to know all that he can be, to have all the possible experiences.

[Alan Grayson]

On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 3:10:18 AM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:

Given Alan obsession with utility, I invite him here to explain to us where does he think that science will eventually go ? More particles ? More galaxies ? More AI! AI! AI! ? More what ? AVDASGBA SDGASDG BDFBGGASD ? So what ? ASFASDFGA HDFHADH ASDFASFA!!!!! Isn't it clear to you that all this more and more and more is all meaningless ? Isn't it clear to you that whatever particles will be known in the year 3000, life will be the same, and you will still be as depressed as you are today ? So what do you think is the end game of science ? I will give you the answer, but I also wait for your answer. The answer is God. The end point of science is to open doors for consciousness to have new experiences. That's all there is to it. Not more particles and more mumbo-jumbos. The very purpose of existence is for God to know all that he can be, to have all the possible experiences.

What I'd like to know, and what physics might eventually provide, is a resolution of the apparent singularity at T=0. The insufficiency with theories about consciousness and God, is not that they're inherently wrong -- I don't subscribe to that pov -- but that they generally don't lead us to something new, as yet undiscovered. AG 

[Cosmin Visan]

Here is another way to look at the world. The popular understanding of evolution is that animals evolved one from another. But given that time itself is a quale in consciousness, such temporal evolution is meaningless. So here is an alternative: the animals resemble one another not because they evolved one from another, but because reality is a catalogue of forms, it displays forms that resemble one with another. As such, humans didn't evolve from monkeys, but monkeys have human hands and human ears, etc, because they are a form of reality that is in close proximity to the form of humans. As such, there was no Big Bang, but the form at T=0 is the simplest form that reality takes in the catalogue.

[John Clark]

On Sat, Mar 22, 2025 at 5:10 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> where does he think that science will eventually go ? More particles ? More galaxies ? More AI! AI! AI! ?

Yes. I never thought I'd see it but for the first time since you've been on this list you've said something that is actually correct. It's amazing!  

> The answer is God.

OK. But if that is the answer, what is the question? 42? And if God is leading us somewhere does that sadistic moron know where the hell He's going? 

> Isn't it clear to you that all this more and more and more is all meaningless?  

No, in fact that is about as far from being clear as it's possible to be. If our Homo erectus ancestors had followed your advice and every time they found something puzzling in the natural world they explained it with one word "huggamugga", which means "consciousness" in the language of hominids, then they never would've discovered how to make fire or flint arrowheads, and today we'd be no better off. 

I couldn't resist, I know I should take my own advice and not feed the troll because I think I know what your response to this will be, either you will repeat for the 999th time  "consciousness is all" or you will post three or four pages of nothing but "(:>)" characters, and are so stupid you expect us to conclude from such behavior that you are a philosopher of extraordinary profundity.  

John K Clark    See what's on my new extraordinary at  Extropolis

rv1

 

[Quentin Anciaux]

That's the guy you're arguing with... 🙄 

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[Cosmin Visan]

@Quentin, thank you for promoting me. Here is also a song that I made while I was at CERN in the picture that you put.

https://youtu.be/tE675HtopGA

[Alan Grayson]

On Saturday, March 22, 2025 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:

@Quentin, thank you for promoting me. Here is also a song that I made while I was at CERN in the picture that you put.

https://youtu.be/tE675HtopGA

What exactly did you do at CERN. Regardless, you're not a person who deserves any respect. If you had anything like ordinary consciousness, you'd know that your incessant references to peoples' sexual satisfaction is juvenile school-yard BS. As for the value of science, which you foolishly dismiss, I usually point out the advances made in root canal work.  In sum, based on your posts, you're neither particularly conscious or intelligent. AG

[Cosmin Visan]

@John. The question is "Who Am I?". See my paper "The "Who Am I?" Question". What happens is that this question is an eternal ontological entity. And this question wants to answer itself. And reality is the answers that this insatiable question keeps finding for itself in an eternal struggle to know who it is. https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan

The profundity of my mind can be found by reading the papers. When people refuse to read the paper, everything that is left is to behave like a mindless IQ 20 entity: "AI! AI! AI! So goooodddd!!!!".

[Cosmin Visan]

@Alan. At CERN I did what the rest of the asleep people are doing: Particles! Particles! Particles!. Meanwhile, I woke up from the sleep, while they continue: Particles! Particles! Particles! in an eternal obsessive-compulsive hallucination.

[Alan Grayson]

On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 3:15:21 AM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:

@Alan. At CERN I did what the rest of the asleep people are doing: Particles! Particles! Particles!. Meanwhile, I woke up from the sleep, while they continue: Particles! Particles! Particles! in an eternal obsessive-compulsive hallucination.

What academic qualifications do you have for working at CERN, or were you on the janitorial staff? AG 

[Cosmin Visan]

Like with any other church, the qualification required is to believe in their dogma.

[Alan Grayson]

On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 5:09:09 AM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:

Like with any other church, the qualification required is to believe in their dogma.

That's exactly what I expected; a BS answer. Again, the same question, and this time refrain from your usual BS. AG 

[John Clark]

On Sat, Mar 22, 2025 at 5:17 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here is also a song that I made 

A song that contains no singing and a tune that sounds like the direct output of a $69 drum machine. Even 11 years ago when this repetitious musical atrocity was made a computerized music composer could have created something MUCH better. And I noticed that even after 11 years nobody on YouTube had made a comment about it, so I had the honor of being the first.   

John K Clark    See what's on my new extraordinary at  Extropolis

nou

[John Clark]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 5:29 AM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, March 23, 2025 at 3:15:21 AM UTC-6 Cosmin Visan wrote:

 

@Alan. At CERN I did what the rest of the asleep people are doing: Particles! Particles! Particles!. Meanwhile, I woke up from the sleep, while they continue: Particles! Particles! Particles! in an eternal obsessive-compulsive hallucination.

What academic qualifications do you have for working at CERN, or were you on the janitorial staff? AG 

I think it's doubtful CERN would hire somebody like Cosmin Visan even to pick up litter at their parking lot, but to be fair to Cosmin he never actually said he worked at CERN, he said he was at CERN, and lots of tourists are at CERN. 

  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis

qbw

[Cosmin Visan]

@Alan. How do you expect you can be admitted in a cult if you don't share their religious beliefs ?

[Cosmin Visan]

@John. Thank you for being my fan! This genre is called "eurodance". It existed in Europe in the 90s, while America had boring rock and pop.