Cryostasis Revival: The Recovery of Cryonics Patients through Nanomedicine

[John Clark]

Robert A. Freitas Jr. has just written a 707 page book about how Nanotechnology could be used to revive Cryonics Patients that have been frozen to liquid nitrogen temperatures called "Cryostasis Revival: The Recovery of Cryonics Patients through Nanomedicine". A hardback copy of the book costs $115 on Amazon however you can read a PDF file of the entire thing for free at:

Cryostasis Revival: The Recovery of Cryonics Patients through Nanomedicine

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I haven't heard about Freitas for years. How close to you suspect that cryonic freezing and reviving is? 

Secondly, you know how I push artificial wombs for fetal transfer as a tie-breaker as opposed to abortion?

I stumbled across this-

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/german-molecular-biologist-unveils-concept-worlds-first-artificial-womb-facility-can-incubate-30000-lab-grown-babies-year-video/

For me, this ends the abortion-antiabortion fight, to which we put our efforts as a species elsewhere. It is the 21st century so why not do birthing differently than 100 years ago. It could be a new and highly, profitable (?) new health industry. Why should women have to settle between and unacceptable birth and baby killing. 

Ok, you do the cryonic path, and I'll tackle everything else. Sound ok? 

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On 12/12/2022 4:32 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

I haven't heard about Freitas for years. How close to you suspect that cryonic freezing and reviving is? 

Secondly, you know how I push artificial wombs for fetal transfer as a tie-breaker as opposed to abortion?

I stumbled across this-

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/german-molecular-biologist-unveils-concept-worlds-first-artificial-womb-facility-can-incubate-30000-lab-grown-babies-year-video/

For me, this ends the abortion-antiabortion fight, to which we put our efforts as a species elsewhere. It is the 21st century so why not do birthing differently than 100 years ago. It could be a new and highly, profitable (?) new health industry.

I guess potato boy's hoping to open an orphan franchising operation. 

Why should women have to settle between and unacceptable birth and baby killing.

It's not just the birth, it's the nine months before and the 18 years after that women seek to avoid too.

Brent

[Lawrence Crowell]

I have more doubts about this.

LC

[Samiya Illias]

Natural Biology of Procreation 

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-iii.html 

On 13-Dec-2022, at 5:32 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



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[John Clark]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 7:32 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> How close to you suspect that cryonic freezing and reviving is? 

I don't know for sure revival is even possible although I suspect it is because there is no evidence turbulence occurs during the freezing process producing  Information-Theoretic Death . If it is theoretically possible I would guesstimate there is a 70% chance revival would be technically possible in less than 50 years, and nearly 100% chance in less than 100; assuming of course we don't have a thermonuclear war or a Chicxulub style asteroid strike. However, theoretical possibility is not the thing I'm most worried about, I'm worried about practical possibilities; will Cryonics patients actually remain at liquid nitrogen temperatures for 50 or 100 years and will anybody think they're worth reviving even if they are? I don't have answers to those questions but if I'm in the middle of the ocean in a hurricane in a sinking ship and no distress SOS message has been sent I'm still getting into a lifeboat even if it's a very small boat and the waves are mountainous.

I should add that from a Cryonics patient's point of view it makes no difference if the delay is 50 years or 10,000 years because both would subjectively seem to be instantaneous. 

 

> Secondly, you know how I push artificial wombs for fetal transfer as a tie-breaker as opposed to abortion?

Yes, I do know how you push that idea, and I know that although Republicans say they have a passionate concern for a fetus when it is in a biological womb (although for some reason they don't wanna pay one nickel for the prenatal care of poor women) historically Republicans lose all interest in the fetus once it gets out of the womb. However I'm sure there will be a 180° change in that attitude if the womb is artificial and not biological and Republicans will be delighted to pay for the food, clothing, housing, and education of millions of kids for 18 years and then pay for the incarceration of them after that when these unwanted and unloved children become professional criminals.  

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Well, let us move forwards and yes, do some kind of fix for children who get to live. Parents don't have to take the kids and yes to orphanages, or some sort of social benny that beats uncaring foster homes too. It seems like a jump in ethics and if there is a supreme mind, then, yeah morals. If not. then ethics is just peachy with me. 

Now, this kindness does have a financial cost, which you'll be glad to know I am quite a capitalist supporter too, and using technological forced advance we generate more wealth by funding the sciences and especially engineering. Because, we cannot have goodies distributed without somebody making cash to be taxed, can we? 

I am very interested naturally in finding and using new, unexpected, undervalued resources to accomplish this. This is what investment is for. Could be Arti-Wombs like the Germans want, could mushrooms for packaging + clothing + fake bacon. Might be algae-grown fabrics for clothes? Could be MSR's or Perovskite solar cells for energy? The economics is something that we are familiar with if you comprehend Milty Friedman and his "pal," John Maynard Keynes. 

Regarding damaged brain glia from H20 turning to ice, even this may not be information loss? 

Here is a brief segue into the postulate that physical laws are just a sometime thing, which you and your buds have discussed in this mailing-list. 

https://futurism.com/the-byte/physics-laws-not-real

Basically, if true, a bright engineer who is aware of this, if it seems true later on, this century, might spin up their own physical laws to accomodate useful technologies like quantum immortality/resurrection? It'd be as if somebody 140 years ago was confidently expecting the steam engine as the force for the horseless carriage, just before Otto Diesel came along? 

Yes, too easy to be true, for now. I'd still support going for the cold treatment (all body not just the brain) for an expanded Healthcare services, such as body/brain regens and surgical conflation. I use the word conflation but am open to a better phrase or term. Maybe there'd be a market for such things and maybe those who are personally involved as recipients of such a venture, might be open to investments, in sundry social items like a womb with a view, social policies that help orphans thrive, Salt reactors, tissue engineering, planetary mining (off earth), habitat creating (off earth), you know the drill?

The theory being a live or resurrected consumer is a buying consumer. Gotta eat, ya know? Unless they/we are all Virtual and that too, takes electricity to produce.  I would say maybe a Big Old Dyson Sphere, capturing the Sunlight and using the material from The Oort Cloud. Yeah, sparser than planets for sure! Yet we are looking at it from our feeble perspective and I'd say there is great chance of doing more with less, much less. 

Well, these are simply me following ideas and goals and I am typically way more content with much smaller accomplishments. But succeeding generations a long way off, maybe more innovative AI's can do what we cannot do, find useful answers. 

Follow up-

Ancestor Simulations would be popular even in a much later age. 

You know, I think I remember Jurassic Park making lots of cash?

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