Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

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On Twitter and Facebook the boards of directors paid campaign donations to members of Congress to pass bills into laws that project these social media platforms from being sued. The most prominent of these laws is Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996. You should if you get a chance to corroborate my contention. This, one is constantly censored by these corporations if they disagree with your statements. Try searching censorship + section 230 and see if this makes sense?

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On Saturday, June 5, 2021 John Clark <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 8:00 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

>John, CRT, Cathode Ray Tubing has been all over the news and here is a Real Clear article about it.

I thought you said the movement to abandon flat screens and go back to bulky 21 inch Cathode Ray Tubes had been censored, so how the hell could it be all over the news?  It's like saying "that restaurant is always so crowded nobody goes there anymore". 

> Here, at least is The Washington Post acknowledging for once, that the Corporate Censorship exists

Please explain to me how on earth it could be possible even in theory for a corporation to engage in censorship. If an editor decides not to print something that may or may not be an example of bad journalism depending on circumstances, but it is most certainly not censorship, he may want to censor but he can't because only governments have the power to engage in censorship.  

 

> This does not bode well for this nation John

You voted for Trump and even after January 6 you're still proud of it for god's sake! With judgment that abysmal you're in no position to tell anybody what does not bode well for this nation and expect to be taken seriously.

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[John Clark]

On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:53 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> On Twitter and Facebook the boards of directors paid campaign donations to members of Congress to pass bills into laws that project these social media platforms from being sued.

Good!  Those laws would have allowed the government to censor corporations, and would've allowed Big Brother to decree what you could and could not read or see even in the privacy of your own home.  I'm glad corporations did all they could to stop that from happening.

> The most prominent of these laws is Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.

It's astonishing! You actually want the Communications Decency Act back after the Supreme Court unanimously ruled it was unconstitutional in 1997 because it infringed on freedom of speech. But of course that was before the Supreme Court was filled up with Trump crypto fascists. You're not complaining there's too much censorship, you're complaining there's two little. And if you want censorship, and apparently you do, it can only come from the government because that is the only entity that has the power to enforce censorship.

Supreme Court Declares Communications Decency Act Unconstitutional

> You should if you get a chance to corroborate my contention. This, one is constantly censored by these corporations if they disagree with your statements.

You keep saying that, but you are unable to provide one single example of it actually happening.

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Lets face it John. It doesn't matter what I think, in the sense that since I am not an oligarch, who cares what I want? I mean if its government policies on what I think is best, I would have already ordered researchers, and funded them, to create ways of converting sea water to hydrogen to fuel civilization. What I want is of no concern really. 

On the so called Decency Act, just know that oligarch money travels far and gets the job done. This law was been re-interpreted to enable billionaire media dogs to rule their platforms irrespective of the 1st amendment. But you did ask for evidence after proclaiming that it was impossible for the oligarchs to censor. Specifically, all you need to do is look up the names Dorsey and Zuckerberg to know of this censorship, and this alone would inform you.

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[John Clark]

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:25 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

 

> On the so called Decency Act, just know that oligarch money travels far and gets the job done.

Then let's have three big cheers for oligarch money! If they really did that then they must be on the side of the enlightenment, unlike that of Trump and his fascist stooges. The decency act was an attack on the first amendment made by hypocritical religious prudes who seem to have come straight out of the dark ages, it is the duty of any honorable person to do all that they can to oppose that sort of totalitarianism.

This law was been re-interpreted to enable billionaire media dogs to rule their platforms irrespective of the 1st amendment.

BULLSHIT.

> But you did ask for evidence after proclaiming that it was impossible for the oligarchs to censor.

I asked for one example of that, just one example, and you were unable to provide a single one  

> Specifically, all you need to do is look up the names Dorsey and Zuckerberg to know of this censorship,

Specifically? Where are the specifics? I looked them up as you suggested and I was still unable to find a single example of corporate censorship. Not one. And obviously you couldn't find one either or you'd have mentioned it. Corporate censorship is a myth, like Bigfoot, or a Republican in office who is not a Trump supporter, or a Trump supporter that is honorable. 

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Ok, I am on vacation now, I can go digging perhaps? The Decency Act sounded like it was an attack on the first amendment made by hypocritical religious prudes who sound like they came straight  out of the Dark Ages, but in reality was a legal tool to protect corporate boards of directors from being sued by the public for censoring them. Remember, at least 98% of politicians are attorneys, and with nothing to stop them, they can call a pig an octopus and vise versa. This is where an act back in the 90's that sounded like something for the public's benefit, but was merely a way of setting up an income base for a new, ruling, class. The following is a claim by the NY Times that your once-vaunted ACLU is now ok with censorship, with the 1st amendment being merely one, and the least of 15 new principles. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html

Ah, attorneys! And so it flows. For a small L libertarian, this might give you some pause to consider, but what I do for a living is not salesmanship, so do as you see fit. Often Law Fare as it is now called, is a merely a tool of the rich of either of the prime ideologies, and as your fellow Texan Bob Smith once spake, regarding poker, "I believe in the golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules." Be careful of what you wish for oligarchy-wise John, You make not like the result.

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 7:25 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

 > The Decency Act sounded like it was an attack on the first amendment made by hypocritical religious prudes who sound like they came straight  out of the Dark Ages, but in reality was a legal tool to protect corporate boards of directors from being sued by the public for censoring them.

Once more you're talking about corporations censoring people, and once more you are unable to give one single example of that actually happening. And I must say although I always knew you had issues I badly underestimated the intensity of your inanity so I was astounded to hear you defending something as silly as the decency act. You think it's terrible a corporation decides not to let a hack politician use their platform to pedal lethal lies, like autism is caused by vaccines, and Hydroxychloroquine and Clorox can cure COVID-19, and there were more than 7 million fraudulent votes in the last election so you should get angry and march on the capital; but anybody who wants to look at a naked female breast on the Internet should be prevented from doing so by censorship, and if they try to avoid that censorship they should go to prison.  

 > Often Law Fare as it is now called, is a merely a tool of the rich

Spud my boy I'm confused. You've made it clear you don't like Communism, but you don't like Capitalism either hence all your complaints about corporations and their "oligarch money". You don't like Democracy hence your support of Donald Trump even after he incited a violent attack on the capital in an unsuccessful coup d'état attempt to stay in power after he lost an election by 7 million votes, and you don't like individuals being allowed to make decisions on their own about how they should live their lives thus your support for the decency act. So how should society organize itself, what DO you like? The only form of government I haven't heard you criticize is right wing fascist dictatorships. Is that in fact what you would prefer?     

> your once-vaunted ACLU is now ok with censorship, with the 1st amendment being merely one, and the least of 15 new principles. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html

I don't feel even the slightest obligation to defend the views of the ACLU, I only feel an obligation to defend my own views against yours, and if I am unable to do that then I will abandon them and adopt your views as my own; I have absolutely no loyalty towards ideas. If another person's idea is better than mine then my idea has got to go. It's called the scientific method.  But there's little chance of me needing to abandon my ideas in this case as your attack is pitiful, you can't even give me a single example of corporate censorship despite my many requests.

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John, I could provide many examples of censorship. Then once I offered these up, you'd dismiss them because you're ideologically left, ahem! Not really a small l, Libertarian. I list, you'd dismiss, and cheer on the oligarchy. For me, I would say screw it, let all voices be heard, uncensored. because the alternative is oligarchy and corporate and bribed politicians making laws. This is simply the condition for this day. In response to your complaint, here is a Wiki list of those banned from Jack Dorsey's Twitter or as I personally refer to it as Twit's.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions

Here's a Guardian article concerning FaceBook.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/29/facebook-banned-me-because-i-am-leftwing-i-am-not-the-only-one

Now if you come back and state, "good," or "I don't care because its a private company and they can do as they like," ok. But then you have no argument even though information gets provided. But you cannot claim that it isn't happening or because you never heard of it means it doesn't exist. It is simply unimportant to you because it disagrees with your ideology. fine. E pur si muove, as the Italian guy once said. 

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Well John as Marlon Brando once uttered in The Wild One's "what do ya got?" I am very good with capitalism, not what is termed Crony Capitalism, otherwise know as oligarchy. 

Wiki again...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism

Oligarchy-

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/oligarchy-america-rome-athens-jeff-bezos/

My fix for everything is technology, applied science, engineering. Anthropogenic Global Warming? The cheapest and fastest is sun and wind, including wind at sea. Street crime? I don't like China's system of spying and conformity so I just came up with this one, "Tag the criminal, not the citizen." If one is a violent thug, persecute them by monitoring them with a chip. If they aren't acting better, to the jug they go. If they're attending AA, ok then, if not...  I'd try tech first before government in most cases. Communism, progressivism is the big mass murder of the 20th century that progressives (liberals who like communism) and gets a wink by these, rather than the nazis, who were oligarchs, but provided social services for their fellow aryans, and controlled their people by withholding social services in many cases, with, a wink and a nod from Krupp Steel. 

This is why I'd suck it up with the capitalists for a while till AI cuts in, perhaps quantum AI and the big Innovator of all time. Think of new places to live like human made (robot made) ocean islands, or space torus's? All made possible by AI finding shortcuts. 

So that is what I would do. But this is just one peasants' viewpoint (me) and so who cares what I think-thanks for asking though. Take care. 

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 6:48 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

John, I could provide many examples of censorship.

You claim you could provide "many examples" of corporate censorship, and yet despite my many many requests you can't provide a single one.  I remember when I was a kid I'd be arguing with a fellow kid and he'd say "there are a million reasons your idea won't work" and I'd say "name one" and he'd say "there are so many reasons I can't name one". It's been a while since I heard an argument that juvenile.

> you're ideologically left, ahem! Not really a small l, Libertarian.

How do you figure that? I'm a firm believer in capitalism and the free market, but the left doesn't. That's why for most of my life I was a registered Republican, I was a member of the party of Lincoln, but then about 15 years ago the Republicans started to go stupid. The straw that broke the camel's back for me came in 2011 when they started openly talking about defaulting on the national debt (which would've been a worldwide economic Chernobyl) and they came within 45 minutes of actually doing so by refusing to extend the debt ceiling.  The very next day I changed my party affiliation from Republican to Democrat, and since 2011 the party has become even stupider, much much stupider. 

The conventional 1-D left-right distinction is insufficient to describe one's political beliefs, you need 2 more axis, libertarian-totalitarian, and smart-stupid. The political landscape cannot be put on a line, it's a 3-D volume.      

> I would say screw it, let all voices be heard, uncensored.

Unless one of those voices actually describes screwing. I haven't forgotten your affection for the decency act and your demonization of corporations for spending "oligarch money" to defend the first amendment from religious right wing nut jobs. 

> In response to your complaint, here is a Wiki list of those banned from Jack Dorsey's Twitter [...] 

Thanks for the link but I already know how to use Wikipedia. And Jack Dorsey not wanting HIS PLATFORM used to peddle blatant lies that are killing people is NOT an example of corporate censorship! How many people has Jack Dorsey executed for saying something he doesn't like, how many people has he tortured, how many people has he imprisoned, how many fines has he been able to impose? ZERO. Only governments havethe power to do those things. You have a perfect right to say anything you like, but I have a perfect right not to help you do so in a louder voice if I don't want to.  

> Here's a Guardian article concerning FaceBook [...]

I don't want you to give me a Guardian article about Facebook, I want you did give me a specific example of a corporation engaging in censorship. Just one goddamn example!

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 7:12 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

 

> I am very good with capitalism,

Me too.  Socialism won't work unless everybody is a saint, and that's why socialists in their natural environment are always observed to be in a constant state of righteous indignation; people just aren't behaving the way he wants then to behave and as they must behave for his system to function. In general I can only think of 3 ways to get anybody to do anything, force, love, or trade. I think most of us would agree that all else being equal force is the least desirable of the three. Love is very nice and it works for some things but any economic system that must rely on people loving each other is just not going to work. So unless somebody knows of a fourth way that I haven't thought of there is only one thing left. The farmer grows my food, the trucker moves my food and the grocer sells my food, I didn't make them do it and none of these people love me, yet the free market plunges them into a conspiracy to put food on my table. Capitalism can efficiently create wealth even if everybody is just looking out for themselves, I know of no other economic system that can do that.

> not what is termed Crony Capitalism, otherwise know as oligarchy. 

You have a problem with the law of conservation of energy, and that is not a law a parliament or even Big Brother can repeal, if you push down the power in one area the power just migrates to another place. If you don't like corporations because you think they have too much power the only thing that can get rid of them is something that has even more power, so instead of several hundred moderately powerful entities you have just one overwhelmingly powerful one. I don't see how that is an improvement.  You still approve of Donald Trump even after he organized an attack on the capital to overturn a democratic election so you don't believe elected officials should be in charge of that overwhelmingly powerful entity, so who should be? You? Donald Trump? Big Brother? 

 

> My fix for everything is technology, applied science, engineering. [...] "Tag the criminal, not the citizen." If one is a violent thug, persecute them by monitoring them with a chip. If they aren't acting better, to the jug they go.

You're just talking about law-enforcement and that's the easy part, what I want to know is who makes the laws, who decides what is legal and what is illegal?  

> So that is what I would do. 

This is what I would do if we were starting from scratch which we are not; I would suggest Anarcho-Capitalism, I think it would be superior to democracy, but unfortunately we are not starting from scratch so it would be very difficult to get to there from here;  but don't let the word "anarchy" scare you, it just means lack of government. Chaos necessarily implies anarchy but anarchy does not necessarily imply chaos.

Good laws are no different from anything else, if you want to maximize something then make it a commodity and sell it on the free market. But nobody does that for laws very much, that's why there are far more good cars than good laws. In a world with minimal or no government Privately Produced Law (PPL) would have Private Protection Agencies (PPA) to back them up. Disputes among PPA's would be settled by an independent arbitrator agreed to by both parties BEFORE the disagreement happened. Something like that can exist today. When companies sign complicated contracts they sometimes also agree on who will arbitrate it if a difference in interpretation happen because nobody wants to get caught up in the slow, expensive court system run by governments.

The arbitrator is paid by the case, and because he is picked by both sides, it's in his interest to be as just as possible. If he favored one side over another or made brutal or stupid decisions he would not be picked again and would need to look for a new line of work. Unlike present day judges and juries, justice would have a positive survival value for the arbitrator.

All parties would have a reason to avoid violence if possible. The disputing parties would not want to turn their front yard into a war zone, and violence is expensive. The successful protection agencies would be more interested in making money than in saving face. Most of the time this would work so I expect the total level of violence to be less than in the nation state system we have now, but I'm not such a utopian as to suggest it will drop to zero. Even when force is not used the implicit threat is always there, another good reason to be civilized.

Please note I'm not talking about justice only for the rich. If a rich man's PPA makes unreasonable demands (beatings, sidewalk justice, I insist on my mother being the arbiter if I get into trouble, etc) it's going to need one hell of a lot of firepower to back it up. That kind of army is expensive because of the hardware needed and because of the very high wages it will need to pay its employees for an extremely dangerous job. To pay for all
this they will need to charge their clients enormous fees severely limiting their customer base and that means even higher charges. They could never get the upper hand, because the common man's PPA would be able to outspend a PPA that had outrageous demands and was just for the super rich. A yacht cost much more than a car, yet the Ford motor Company is far richer than all the yacht builders on the planet combined.

 It's easy to vote for some idiot politician who says he will stop your neighbor from sinning, it's much harder to shell out cold hard cash for it. For example, in this democracy many towns have laws against women wearing string bikinis on the beach, and it's simple to see why, there are plenty of prudes and it doesn't cost them anything to vote. Now let's consider this in a world of anarchy. The prude is considering 2 PPA's that are identical except for one thing, one has a decency patrol to harass women on the beach 20 miles from his home, the other doesn't but uses the money  saved to send an extra security patrol through his neighborhood at 3Am. The prude would have to be very prudish indeed to pick the first PPA.
                                                                 

No system can guarantee justice to everybody all the time but you'd have the greatest chance of finding it in Anarcho-Capitalism. In a dictatorship one man's whim can lead to hell on earth, I don't see how 40 million Germans could have murdered 6 million Jews in an Anarcho-Capitalistic world. Things aren't much better in a Democracy, 51% can decide to kill the other 49%, nothing even close to that is possible in Anarchy, even theoretically.

In general, the desire not to be killed is much stronger than the desire to kill a stranger, even a Jewish stranger. Jews would be willing to pay as much as necessary, up to and including their entire net worth not to be killed. I doubt if even the most rabid anti Semite would go much beyond 2%. As a result the PPA protecting Jews would be much stronger than the one that wants to kill them. In Anarchy, for things that are REALLY important to you (like not getting killed) you have much more influence than just one man one vote.

I can't give you an iron clad guarantee that some Private Protection Agency won't switch from being a protector to being an oppressor, but I can't give you an iron clad guarantee that the US Army will not overthrow the government and set up a military dictatorship either. They certainly have the means to do so if they wished. I don't think that's very likely to happen, but it's far more likely than the sort of organization I'm talking about doing it. The instant a PPA starts acting in a totalitarian way customers would abandon it, shut off its money supply and stop its cancerous growth in the bud. That is a powerful tool that we don't have today, with the US Army you are forced to keep sending it money through taxes even if you hate what it's doing.

But this is all theoretical, as I say we are such an enormously long way from Anarcho-Capitalism it may be too late and it's just not practical to get to get to there from here. So we must make do with second best, democracy, the least bad way to organize people.  

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I suspect but have no means of proving that machine intelligence managing aspects of society, might be a upwards? Another path would seemingly be answering Engels and Marx's "means of production," paradigm, but building advanced machinery to produce everything. We may eventually get K. Eric Drexler's nanofabrication to achieve this, but the way forward seems to simply be general advances with 3D printing.  

On the Trump attack assertion it seems unlikely, and it seems unlikely because way get a puny 1000 fools showing up, when he could've got 10 million? He could have sent out the word, get em boys, and that would have been that. Trump's comedic timing is one of the best I have ever seen, if you've ever listened to his opening one-liners, which I doubt you have. Anarcho-Capitalism seems interesting, yet you'll need to cite some examples for that being a success?

The biggest successful economic action seems to be The Miracle of Worgl in Austria, where the locals printed their own money for public works. From a Germna point of view, who needs Adolf if you have work?

A Free Money Miracle? | Mises Institute

Wörgl - Wikipedia

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:56 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> I suspect but have no means of proving that machine intelligence managing aspects of society, might be a upwards?Another path would seemingly be answering Engels and Marx's "means of production," paradigm, but building advanced machinery to produce everything. We may eventually get K. Eric Drexler's nanofabrication to achieve this, but the way forward seems to simply be general advances with 3D printing.  

I agree with all of that, and that's why my political views have changed somewhat. I always knew my rather strict libertarian philosophy would need to be modified when the singularity approached, and right wingers such as yourself would need to modify their dogma even more, but the singularity seemed such a distant thing I didn't need to worry about it. But now it doesn't seem quite so distant.

A recent survey was conducted by the University of Oxford of 352 prominent AI researchers, this is the average prediction on when they think AI will outperform humans at various tasks:

Translate languages better than humans = 2024
Write high school level essays better than human high schoolers = 2026
Drive trucks better than humans = 2027
Work in retail = 2031
Write books = 2049
Perform surgery = 2053
Be better than humans at everything = 2062    

> On the Trump attack assertion it seems unlikely, and it seems unlikely because way get a puny 1000 fools showing up,

By the way, several months before the 2016 presidential election I publicly predicted on another list that if Trump won in 2016 he would not leave the presidency peacefully in 2020, or ever, regardless of what the constitution says or how elections turn out. And my prediction was proven to be correct. I will now publicly make another prediction, if Trump decides to run and wins in 2024 he will be president for life, and when he dies Donald Trump Junior will become the new fascist dictator.

> Trump's comedic timing is one of the best I have ever seen,

You and I have very different ideas about humor.  

> if you've ever listened to his opening one-liners, which I doubt you have.

Actually I have listened to them but to me Trump's "jokes" are like listening to chalk screeching on a blackboard and I have to restrain myself from throwing something through my TV. It's interesting, although I've seen Trump struggle in an attempt to produce a facsimile of a human smile I have never once seen the man laugh.  

 

> Anarcho-Capitalism seems interesting, yet you'll need to cite some examples for that being a success?

Yes that is its weakness, nothing even close to it has ever even been tried so there is no experimental confirmation of the whole, only  bits and pieces of it. But I really think it would probably work if we were starting from scratch, but we're not and that is a more serious weakness; so much existing social infrastructure would have to be scrapped to get to Anarcho-Capitalism it's probably impossible, or improbable, to get there before the AI singularity. And of course nobody knows what social structure will work after the singularity, there is no way to even know if there will still be humans around to form social structures. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 6/10/2021 4:31 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:56 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> I suspect but have no means of proving that machine intelligence managing aspects of society, might be a upwards?Another path would seemingly be answering Engels and Marx's "means of production," paradigm, but building advanced machinery to produce everything. We may eventually get K. Eric Drexler's nanofabrication to achieve this, but the way forward seems to simply be general advances with 3D printing.  

I agree with all of that, and that's why my political views have changed somewhat. I always knew my rather strict libertarian philosophy would need to be modified when the singularity approached, and right wingers such as yourself would need to modify their dogma even more, but the singularity seemed such a distant thing I didn't need to worry about it. But now it doesn't seem quite so distant.

A recent survey was conducted by the University of Oxford of 352 prominent AI researchers, this is the average prediction on when they think AI will outperform humans at various tasks:

Translate languages better than humans = 2024
Write high school level essays better than human high schoolers = 2026
Drive trucks better than humans = 2027
Work in retail = 2031
Write books = 2049
Perform surgery = 2053
Be better than humans at everything = 2062 

Here's a more comprehensive estimate in terms of jobs that will be taken by AI.



Notice that the surviving jobs are almost all in health care, education, and law enforcement.

Brent

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Ok, yeah all that. I would also include AI-pushed"

1. Medical miracles

2) Extracting of materials to make substitute materials from plentiful elements and compounds (earth)

3) Harvesting the solar system, if profitable. Thinking the Moon, Psyche 16, Sunlight.
For me, this is just eye candy-but it applies to #2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uznXI8wrdag

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On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:28 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Here's a more comprehensive estimate in terms of jobs that will be taken by AI.

That's why I had to modify my former strict libertarian views and why right wingers need to modify their total opposition to any form of welfare when AI destroys the link between human toil and wealth production that has existed since the species evolved. Any other position is just not tenable  because billions of unemployed and unemployable people are going to refuse to starve to death without making a fuss.  

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Of course part of that link was already broken by the industrial revolution, which greatly reduced the manual labor that went into food production, clothing, transportation,...  Instead of government welfare we created middle management and accountants.

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John just remember how things were less than a year ago, even concerning medical science and public practice of such. 

Medical scientists were banned from Facebook and Twitter just for putting for research. Now we have this in the last couple of days. 

Study shows hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatments increased coronavirus survival rate by almost three times

https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-treatments-210300816.html

Thus, because of ideology and perhaps bribery, the discussion was shut down on the veracity, till now, till orange man sailed into the sunset. 

We need to be careful to remember that even the best scientists get swayed by their own prejudices, allegiances, and self interests. 

Consider orang man being correct in that he was informed by somebody medical and took this himself and he helped him. Consider that even a broken mechanical clock is correct twice a day.

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On 6/10/2021 3:58 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

John just remember how things were less than a year ago, even concerning medical science and public practice of such. 

Medical scientists were banned from Facebook and Twitter just for putting for research. Now we have this in the last couple of days. 

Study shows hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatments increased coronavirus survival rate by almost three times

https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-treatments-210300816.html

Thus, because of ideology and perhaps bribery, the discussion was shut down on the veracity, till now, till orange man sailed into the sunset.

Or because everybody knew that the orange turd just pulled that idea out something he heard in the hallway and had no empirical evidence.  How do we know this.  We know because at the same time he also suggested drinking bleach.

We need to be careful to remember that even the best scientists get swayed by their own prejudices, allegiances, and self interests. 

Consider orang man being correct in that he was informed by somebody medical and took this himself and he helped him. Consider that even a broken mechanical clock is correct twice a day.

And it's wrong almost all the time.

Brent

[John Clark]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 6:58 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> John just remember how things were less than a year ago, even concerning medical science and public practice of such. 

Medical scientists were banned from Facebook and Twitter just for putting for research.

 

Like doctor Stella Immanuel? Her "research" was given Trump's seal of approval in a tweet, and her "research" concluded that neither masks nor shutdowns are necessary to fight the pandemic, her "research" also concluded that hydroxychloroquine is a “cure for covid”, and gynecological issues are the result of having sex with witches and demons (succubi and incubi) in dreams, and Endometriosis, infertility, miscarriages and sexually transmitted infections are caused by “evil deposits from the spirit husband”. Her "research" indicated that DNA from space aliens is currently being used in medicine, and a witch who works for the illuminati has a plan to destroy the world with a combanation of abortion, gay marriage, and children’s toys. Trump called Stella Immanuel a "spectacular, well respected doctor". Stella Immanuel's "research" has not been peer reviewed.

> Now we have this in the last couple of days. Study shows hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatments increased coronavirus survival rate by almost three times

https://news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-treatments-210300816.html

Spudie, that study was not peer reviewed, but there have been many reports that HAVE been peer reviewed and they come to the exact opposite conclusion.    

 > Thus, because of ideology and perhaps bribery, the discussion was shut down on the veracity, till now, till orange man sailed into the sunset. 

What the hell are you talking about? Crackpots publish their theories on Facebook and Twitter, but scientists publish their results in peer reviewed scientific journals. And Spud, this is the second lunatic conspiracy theory you've advanced in the last two days, the first was your idea that the leaders of China were mad at the Hong Kong protesters so they figured the best way to punish them is to engineer a new deadly virus and release it in the mainland Chinese city of Wuhan that had zero protesters and was 571 miles from Hong Kong apparently in the belief that a huge plague would foster a nationwide feeling of calm and contentment. 

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Well, said, it either works well or it doesn't, it is either truth or lying by exaggeration? Now, if the study gets corroborated then we start to ask, who would benefit from more deaths that could have been prevented? If it is all nonsense, then its ideology leading medicine, like eugenics, or Lysenko under Stalin.

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If its junk than its junk no matter who likes it or hates it. If it is proven to work as well as indicated, independently, verified, then we have questions to ask.

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