Re: Senator's "My American Story" Is a Result of Awakened-Bo Dark-Matter Body

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I would say that the original 1787 Constitution that permitted the 3/5 compromise was the most sloppily written. This was the so-called compromise that implicitly allowed slavery. The second amendment basically scares the willies out of the modern progressive, who seeks to impose sort of a national oligarchy against an unwilling people at least the 75 million of us idiots who voted for the orange guy. Hence the huge push for things like CRT, and transgenders competing in women's sports and online media censorship and the control of banks by people who are of a progressive bent. I turn people of a progressive bent are really those sort of liberals who seem to be highly tolerant of Soviet socialism. Now this is even so, that they are funded by globalist China facing corporations. The issue sort of breaks down to the old Union tune which had a lyric that went something like that " which side are you on boy, which side are you on?"

My point in that observation is that we still live in a nation-state age we still behave tribally and if we don't other tribes implicitly and explicitly will. Witness the CCP in XI China.  So until something changes in the world in which we all must live, something technological I suspect, AI is the first thing that jumps to my wee brain, we must dance like the puppets we are to the tune that is called by our collective nature's. Governments that don't go nationalist at this point in time yes even in the 21st century will see themselves kicked out of office at the very least witness what's happening in Europe. We must have something that replaces nationalism just as we must have something that replaces fossil fuels and switch over while we run things concurrently.

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On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 8:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> It's not nearly as thin as the air that says it's a musket.  It's the obvious functional interpretation. 

I interpret that to mean you don't believe in the "original intent" interpretation.  

 > The use of "arms" to mean any weapon is clearly a derivative extension of what a combatant originally wielded with his arm.

Well, I admit a linguist would say the weapon meaning of the word "arms" is derived from the word for the limbs human beings used to manipulate things, and a linguist would also say the derivation of the word "calculus" comes from the Greek word for small stone or pebble, but I don't think having completed a study of pebbles will help you much on a calculus exam.

>> In 1787 the people that made cannons and warships were called arms manufacturers and that hasn't changed. It may be absurd but that's the world we live in because nuclear weapons are called "arms'', remember the SALT talks from the 1970s, the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks? They were about the reduction in the number of nuclear weapons manufactured by the US and USSR.

> But they certainly didn't mean that in order to have well regulated militia people had the right to keep and bear frigates. 

True, it's impossible for one man to carry a frigate, but it's certainly possible for one man to carry and activate a nuclear warhead, so I don't see your point. I'm also surprised to hear you bring up the "well regulated militia" bit because for years courts have been pretending that line didn't exist in the Constitution. The only well regulated militias are state national guard units, and only a tiny percentage of the population are members of the national guard, but there are more privately owned guns in the US than there are people in the country. And even when national guard members are called to duty they don't use their personal guns, they use weapons provided by the state.

I think the second amendment is the most sloppily written part of the constitution, and that's really saying something considering what a very imperfect document it is. At least the parts about slavery are clear, they're not stupid, they're just evil.  

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John Clark

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Jun 4, 2021, 12:24:59 PM6/4/21
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On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 11:17 AM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 > the huge push for things like CRT

Huge push? I think I'm better read than most people but I had to use Google to know what the hell you were even talking about when you mentioned "CRT", all I could think of was Cathode Ray Tube but that didn't seem quite right.  Like the anti-vaccination movement, the anti-mask movement, the anti-Darwin movement, and the mythical caravan of aliens about to invade the southern border, this is an example of Trump pushing right wing people's buttons to inflame the idiotic culture wars.

> and transgenders competing in women's sports

I am a libertarian (small l, I'm not a member of the Libertarian party and never will be), and the first rule of libertarianism is mind your own business, and given that I am not a woman or a transgender or an athlete and I can't think of any way that issue could affect me positively or negatively so its none of my business, or yours.

>and online media censorship

Corporations can't do that, only governments can impose censorship, only governments can put you in prison for saying something they don't like. If I own a newspaper I can decide not to print your views but I can't put you in prison because I don't like your ideas. You have a right to say anything you like, but I have rights too, I have the right not to hand you my megaphone. And if you don't like my decision then buy your own megaphone.  

 > people of a progressive bent are really those sort of liberals who seem to be highly tolerant of Soviet socialism.

BULLSHIT. Maybe there was some truth to that in the early 1950s but not today. Soviet style communism is as dead as a doornail and has been for over 30 years, these days being an anti-communist is about as meaningful as being an anti-viking. 

> The second amendment basically scares the willies out of the modern progressive, who seeks to impose sort of a national oligarchy against an unwilling people at least the 75 million of us idiots who voted for the orange guy.  [...] My point in that observation is that we still live in a nation-state age we still behave tribally

You rightly vilify tribalism and nationalism and yet you admit to being a member in good standing of the most sinister tribe of them all, the fascist Trump cult of personality. Something does not compute. I just don't get it, after January 6 if I had voted for Trump I'd be ashamed to admit it, but you seem almost proud of it. But I do agree with your description of Trump supporters as "idiots". 

 > which side are you on boy, which side are you on?

You can be damn sure I'm not on the side of the personality cult, especially when the personality in question is that of a dishonest TV game show host with a room temperature IQ.  
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Jun 4, 2021, 2:20:43 PM6/4/21
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Allow me to differ on corporations, John. They do on a daily basis perform censorship, be it what they term false information, which which, for example has reversed itself on what was pondered by many, included the orange haired real estate guy las year. That the Wuhan lab juiced up the Bat flu, probably, my guess, to wipe out rebellious Hong Kong? This view is now the reverse of the 2020 view, for some reason? On CRT, yes not the tube but rather a way of promoting one race over another, and indoctrinating children that Caucasian thinking, social norms and goals, political practice, and yes, the practice of science must be done away with. From my opinion, whatever that is worth, not good. 

My view is that whatever seems to work in a utilitarian sense of the word, in a John Hobbes manner, needs to take the forefront while ideology needs to shut the hell up and sit in the back sit and let the cause and effect people, do the driving.  

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:20:00 PM6/4/21
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On 6/4/2021 8:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

I would say that the original 1787 Constitution that permitted the 3/5 compromise was the most sloppily written. This was the so-called compromise that implicitly allowed slavery. The second amendment basically scares the willies out of the modern progressive, who seeks to impose sort of a national oligarchy

The left is pushing an oligarchy??  Rule by the super-rich, like Musk and Koch and Bezos?  I don't think "oligarchy" means what you think it means.

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Jun 4, 2021, 3:45:56 PM6/4/21
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On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 2:20 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> Allow me to differ on corporations, John. They do on a daily basis perform censorship, be it what they term false information, which which, for example has reversed itself on what was pondered by many, included the orange haired real estate guy las year.

That's nice, but where is the example of corporate censorship that you promised to give?

> That the Wuhan lab juiced up the Bat flu, probably, my guess, to wipe out rebellious Hong Kong? This view is now the reverse of the 2020 view, for some reason?

 That's nice, but where is the example of corporate censorship that you promised to give?
 
> On CRT, yes not the tube but rather a way of promoting one race over another, and indoctrinating children that Caucasian thinking [...]

Caucasian thinking? What the hell is that?

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Jun 4, 2021, 8:00:52 PM6/4/21
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John, CRT, Cathode Ray Tubing has been all over the news and here is a Real Clear article about it. Stop off at Real Clear Science and see if there is anything interesting there, as well! It seems to be the ideological programming of children, for their own damn good!

Here is Law professor Jonathan Turley explaining...

Here is The Hill article with some examinations. 

Here, at least is The Washington Post acknowledging for once, that the Corporate Censorship exists, and their modest proposal.  

So yes, a system attempt to teach kids about whiteness bad, rather, than, say, algebra.
Yes, to Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram censoring people the have an ideological hatred for, ideologically-driven. 

This does not bode well for this nation John, not if we cannot even agree on some basic concepts. Aside from censorship. 

The study and practice of science has also been attacked as being white supremacist. Instead of quantum supremacy there is manufactured indignation over successful white, Now Asian behavior scholarship. My thought is that this is envy, driven by an expectation of obedience, call it my suspicion.  In any case we are on a ride and this ride is unlike what Frank Fukuyama wrote back 20 years ago, about "waking up from history." 


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Jun 4, 2021, 8:24:40 PM6/4/21
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Brent, understood. No, there is currently nobody on either party involved in the benefit of specifically the US middle class. The Republicans involved in taking cash donations from the Boards of Directors, are now call RINO's. Which has evolved from merely not following the scripts of conservative policy, to basically taking bribes from mostly, China-facing corporations. How this damages the US as a society may be evidenced in the 2022 election. The dems, including the President, his brother, his son Hunter are, (China)  like most democrats reliant on funds for which a campaign nowadays cannot be successful. The Bidens are far from alone in this. The Bern, back in 2016 and again in 2019 was taking cash and advice from Ebay founder, Pierre Omidyar. I conclude that all the government is an unofficial oligarchy, but so what? A peasant such as myself see's behind the curtain that Toto has pulled aside and yeah, the world is not changed, The Truth has not set us free, nor, is always turning the other cheek, such a workable idea either. 

So what will cause a "correction," in the rule of oligarchs? My suspicion is that it will be economic and perhaps China troubles shaking the globalist tree. So what do we do? Well, things like AI, Machine Intelligence, 3D Printing, are advancing almost daily, a little bit at a time. Thus, we may have an opportunity to be able to pull back a bit from centralized authority which as of today, appears like it will fail us via a surge of inflation, etc. Replacement for the globalist giants may occur because we get forced to do without these people and their supply chain. Well will see!


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John Clark

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On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 8:00 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

>John, CRT, Cathode Ray Tubing has been all over the news and here is a Real Clear article about it.

I thought you said the movement to abandon flat screens and go back to bulky 21 inch Cathode Ray Tubes had been censored, so how the hell could it be all over the news?  It's like saying "that restaurant is always so crowded nobody goes there anymore". 

> Here, at least is The Washington Post acknowledging for once, that the Corporate Censorship exists

Please explain to me how on earth it could be possible even in theory for a corporation to engage in censorship. If an editor decides not to print something that may or may not be an example of bad journalism depending on circumstances, but it is most certainly not censorship, he may want to censor but he can't because only governments have the power to engage in censorship.  
 
> This does not bode well for this nation John

You voted for Trump and even after January 6 you're still proud of it for god's sake! With judgment that abysmal you're in no position to tell anybody what does not bode well for this nation and expect to be taken seriously.

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Lawrence Crowell

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This is a flaw in the whole "original intent" argument. In the original intent. only large landowners could vote, certainly not women or non-Europeans, and blacks were only give 60% in the accounting for representatives.

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The way I view this  is that the separation from Britain was a way for the White Aryans (using the old nazi phrasing) for their brethren in the United Kingdom, who treated them so viciously. (The Royals) that that had departed British shores, and then when British law was unfairly applied, infuriated the locals as well it should have. To wit, the Royals had long since treating their countrymen like shit warmed over.

The United States was a fix, specifically, for the Colonials, yes, specifically the large land owners to start with. Had the Royals, George the 3rd and his offspring treated the Yanks a bit better, I suspect Dr. Crowell, you'd be voting Labor, and for me, Farage. For the Blacks, the Asians, the Native Americans, doubtless for the Roman Catholics in Maryland, the Jews, well, we weren't even on the charts (speaking nautically). Then it becomes a question, how rapidly can you adapt. Losing two wars to the US in 1783 & 1816 had a salutary effect for the British people in 1832. It was just the losses to the US bringing changes to the UK, it was expanding UK middle class as well.
In the US, the trick was making the Founders and their descendants live up to their noble wordings. In the US, it also took a civil war 80 years later. The UK had sided with the South for the demand for cotton and tobacco, despite their rigorous pursuit of eliminating the slave trade, in the Atlantic, staring in 1838. 

So what for now, what for today? 
All I can say professor, is that as citizens of this nation state we agree on nothing, not even violent criminal or police behavior. What happens next is anyone's guess. 




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