The American Taliban

[John Clark]

Well the Taliban have taken over Afghanistan and have already outlawed the keeping of song birds as pets because they produced music, which is also banned, they won't even allow humming, and they have outlawed the flying of kites apparently because it's fun and having fun is banned. The Taliban previously slashed all the artworks in the Kabul Art Museum they could get their hands on, burned libraries, and blew up two huge historic 6th century statues because it depicted a leader of a rival religious franchise, Buddha. The Taliban require that all women who go out in public must be accompanied by a man and wear something that looks like a a hazmat suit you would wear if you were visiting the core of a crippled nuclear reactor or trying to help a highly contagious Ebola patient. And many conservatives look upon all this with glee and think we could use it as a blueprint for the future of the USA.

 

Fox's Republican pundit Tucker Carlson and Trump supporter (obviously) , likes the way the Taliban treat women, immediately after the fall of Kabul he said "The Taliban  don’t hate their own masculinity, They don’t think it’s toxic. They like the patriarchy. Some of their women like it too. So now they’re getting it all back. So maybe it’s possible that we failed in Afghanistan because the entire neoliberal program is grotesque.”

Nick Fuentes, an influential white supremacist, Trump ally, Holocaust denier,  and January 6 rioter, said on the encrypted app Telegram: “The Taliban is a conservative, religious force, the U.S. is godless and liberal. The defeat of the U.S. government in Afghanistan is unequivocally a positive development.” 

The Proud Boys, another pro Trump group that was very active on January 6, said approvingly of the Taliban that they "took back their national religion as law, and executed dissenters.”

Matt Gaetz,  a Republican congressman and rabid Trump supporter said  "The Taliban, like Trump, is more legitimate than the last government in Afghanistan or the current government here.”

Yoram Hazony, an Israeli Bible "Scholar" and  right wing ultra-nationalist said “The humiliation of Afghanistan will have been worth it if it pries the old paradigm loose and lets new thoughts in. What went wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan was, first and foremost, the ideas in the heads of the people running the show. Say its name: Liberalism.”

And now the Taliban have a new religious enemy, ISIS-K, who think the Taliban don't go nearly far enough and are far too liberal. No doubt Republicans will embrace them even more than the Taliban.

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[Brent Meeker]

On 8/28/2021 6:11 AM, John Clark wrote:

Well the Taliban have taken over Afghanistan and have already outlawed the keeping of song birds as pets because they produced music, which is also banned, they won't even allow humming, and they have outlawed the flying of kites apparently because it's fun and having fun is banned. The Taliban previously slashed all the artworks in the Kabul Art Museum they could get their hands on, burned libraries, and blew up two huge historic 6th century statues because it depicted a leader of a rival religious franchise, Buddha. The Taliban require that all women who go out in public must be accompanied by a man and wear something that looks like a a hazmat suit you would wear if you were visiting the core of a crippled nuclear reactor or trying to help a highly contagious Ebola patient. And many conservatives look upon all this with glee and think we could use it as a blueprint for the future of the USA.

The Puritan hated bear-baiting, not because it gave pain to
the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators.
        -- Macaulay, "History of England, I"

Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

If you wish to battle the Tali's and their supporters, you must name the enemy which would be Jihadist ideology. It's central theme is that Allah has given us the Keys to the Kingdom, so when we become martyrs aka shaheed's we enter paradise aka Janah. Yet you didn't like (when you asked) what I would've done back in 2001 post 9-11. I did mention thermobaric's and you replied the Soviets tried these. I would have shaken the Islamists to their foundations, with the notion in mind that, Ya want Jihad? Ya got Jihad!   

On Tucker, I understood him to mean that if you want to defend yourselves, you'd better better be in a fighting mindset, not like Woke Gen. Milley. Not focusing on sexual identity as a foremost thing, for example. 

Fuentes is likely another loser, like Richie Spencer who tried to merge in with Trump, while being unmindful of his Jewish daughter and grandchildren. I have zero issue at all duking it out with adolf-imbibers and view it as a delightful prospect, yet they are not the main threat to the USA.

With Gatetz, I'd say, did the DNC cheat with the election ballots? Well?

With Hazony, I take the meaning that if you believe your homeland needs to be punished and permit a sucker punch as liberals do, then this is a psychological issue. For example even though Obama killed Bin Ladin (to his credit) he deliberately did not retaliate against the 9-11 attack on Benghazi and Obama shipped bribe money to the Ayatollahs with jack to show for it. 

Obama Benghazi

https://www.bbc.com/news/21161346

Obama Iran

https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-iran-payment-cash-20160907-snap-story.html

Biden did give the Taliban cash packets (I seen the vid) and did run away from Afghanistan in the hopes that his voters (you) will say, "Biden ended the longest war in American history!)" I laff, and say, Yeah, by Losing! Just like Obama. Same mindset. 

For me I will state Smash commies, nazis, jihadis. No particular order, we will take them on as needed. You agree?

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[John Clark]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 9:29 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> did the DNC cheat with the election ballots?

No.

> On Tucker, I understood him to mean that if you want to defend yourselves, you'd better better be in a fighting mindset,

 

You can't win a war with a mindset, you need to use specific tactics and specific weapons, Tucker thought patriarchy would have enabled the US to win the war, but somehow I don't think making American women wear beekeeper suits when they are out in public would have been enough to do the trick. So can you do better than Tucker, or the Soviets, or the American generals, WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU HAVE IN MIND?

> If you wish to battle the Tali's and their supporters, you must name the enemy which would be Jihadist ideology.

And I challenge anybody to have more contempt for Jihadist ideology, or a Christian theology, or theology in general, then me.

> yet you didn't like (when you asked) what I would've done back in 2001 post 9-11.

I didn't like it because your answer was dumb.  

> I did mention thermobaric's and you replied the Soviets tried these.

True, you did mention that, and both the Soviets and the USA used thermobaric bombs in Afghanistan, and they both lost the war in Afghanistan.

 

> I would have shaken the Islamists to their foundations,

You keep saying that but, except when you get silly and talk about thermobarics, you never get specific when I ask exactly what you would have done that would've enabled you to do what the Soviets could not. Do you really think the Soviets were too gentle and were not brutal enough? With the exception of submarines (which would have been rather difficult to use since Afghanistan is a landlocked country) and H-Bombs, the USA used every weapon in its arsenal and still lost.  So is that the reason you keep dancing around my question, you're embarrassed to admit that if you were president you would've dropped a Thermonuclear device on Kabul?

Hmm.... that would explain why you refuse to sign your real name to your screeds, in a way I can sympathize, if I held your opinions I'd be ashamed of them too. 

> if you want to defend yourselves, you'd better better be in a fighting mindset,

You can't win a war with a mindset, you need to use specific tactics and specific weapons, WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU HAVE IN MIND? 

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[Telmo Menezes]

Am Di, 31. Aug 2021, um 13:10, schrieb John Clark:

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Hmm.... that would explain why you refuse to sign your real name to your screeds, in a way I can sympathize, if I held your opinions I'd be ashamed of them too. 

John, I mostly agree with you on this ongoing (and rather boring for a non-American) debate over US politics.

That being said, I think that the old Internet tradition of using pseudonyms is a good thing. There are many reasons for not using your real name beyond shame over your opinions. Maybe you are a non-believer in a strongly religious environment, and disclosing this could put your life in jeopardy. Maybe you need some job to surive, and you know you could get into trouble if your real opinions were known to your employer, and so on and so forth. Maybe spud has his reasons, that's none of our business.

There is a relentless push toward "real identities" that, I think, started with facebook. Their incentive here is probably mostly about increasing the quality of the data that they mine for their advertisement algorithms, but it has the side effect of magnifying the chilling effect on public discourse. It is better to remain silent than to say something that might get you into trouble. It certainly helps the status quo (whatever the status quo is in your country). Hummm...

I guess I was influenced by the times when the Internet was young and full of promise as a technology that could amplify human agency and freedom instead of curtailing them. I now know that that was pretty idealistic and naive, but I will still resist anonymity-shaming until my last breath. People who want us to force us to use our real identity no matter what are usually the same people who wish to control us, and probably not with our best interests in mind.

I do sign with my real name here. Probably everywhere, maybe not. I won't tell and nobody should ask.

Telmo

[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:39 AM Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> wrote:

> People who want us to force us to use our real identity no matter what are usually the same people who wish to control us

I don't want to make anybody do anything, I'm a libertarian so I think if you want to use a pseudonym then you should be free to do so. But by the same token if somebody reads a long political post with brutal recommendations but the author refuses to sign it then one should be free to draw their own conclusions as to why. As for me, most of my opinions are extremely unpopular even among a crowd that call themselves transhumanist enthusiasts, but nevertheless I still think I'm correct so I've always used my real name, and you know I must be telling the truth because if I was going to use a pseudonym I wouldn't pick one that was as bland as John K Clark.

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[Telmo Menezes]

I believe everything you say. I am just pointing out: "be careful what you wish for".

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[spudb...@aol.com]

John, we cannot 'civilize' a society that seeks as Osama said seeks the stronger horse. You must at some point accept that the values of Suburban Hooterville don't make it for the Umah. All people are human but not all people are kindly, nor rational, nor reasonable. 

For fighting yesterday's war's and knowing a bit about the people that attacked us and why they attacked us, without having great military knowledge, I would have done a fair warn-off first. Message: If your team even breathes on a kuffar, I will damage your civilization in a hideous manner. My method (being junior Napoleon) if they failed to listen, which they would have, would invoke a level of "my" brutality not seen since the Christmas bombing of Haiphong Harbor, Christmas 1972. Refined, to use lots of your favorite and mine, thermobaric's. Again, brutality warmed over, likely, horrifying the rest of the world. Geneva Conventions, trials, all the fun stuff. Ultimately, my goal would have been to make the Jihadists risk-averse. 

My thing I would have done is decidedly not held ground. I don't want an empire and never have. I don't need your contempt for the jihadists, but endorsing strong actions is the road to survival of our civilization.  I would have adapted an eliminationist-massive retaliatory view. Thermobarics can level mountains The Politburo wanted and empire and had one. Not for me. An H-bomb would open many doors and all of then leading to bad places. Sleepy Joe's choice was emphatically NOT to either drop an H-Bomb on Kabul or lose the country. He did it for politics, for ideology. Adversaries and friends see the DNC weakness, and we'll pay for his lack of care and poor judgement. The Han have a term for your party and its ideology. Baizuo. Please attend.

https://www.igi-global.com/dictionary/an-intergenerational-divide/98486

Like I blathered above, the values of Suburban Hotterville don't make it for the Umah, or the Chinese. Not your fault and not mine. I simply see punching back twice as hard as being a necessity for survival and disagreeing with Mr. Jesus of Nazareth, that turning the other cheek can simply get us all  killed. Purely practical, purely observable. 

Another related note. I had read a claim that Bush 43 allowed Bin Laden in December 2001 did an agreement with the Ayatollahs to head for Iran for safety. I have zero idea if this is true of just  Disinformation aka propaganda, but since I read it a few months ago, I ponder it's possible validity? Could be a dirty lie, or could be a dirty truth?

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[spudb...@aol.com]

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To be honest using one's true name was something I was paranoid about for a long time, and yeah, that shows in my character and writing. I believe it is naïve unless one is on a professional venue to not use a nom' de guerre. As this society polarizes and splits in two, (US) it becomes increasingly unlikely that we'll respect each others boundaries. 

For Europeans involved as Nato countries, I wish the best of fortune and would urge planning for a an EU defense that is independent on a now unreliable USA. Yes, another area to bicker about, but policy changes, when not well planned or executed do cause disorder. Definitively not the Scandinavian model, that.  

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"... I'm a libertarian..."

Oh hell no! I can't let that one slip by. 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/libertarianism-politics/Historical-origins

You cannot be a Libertarian JC. Libertarians believe "Governments that govern best, govern least." You are a total DNC supporter and the DNC is now (at best) democratic socialists, but de facto, are economically speaking, progressives. Progressives nowadays are (Unlike the days of Eugene Debs) hooked to the globalists woke corporation campaign donation makers, the super rich. The RNC? Meh, mostly the same with a solider leaning voter base of the bourgeoise. 

Me? oh glad you asked. I seek technology, aka engineering R & D as the first go-to for all problems. Politics is for lawyers who become politicians, lobbyists, judges. It's the much slower route to problem solving, less direct. Climate Change? Let's build solutions. Unlawful police shootings? Spytech on cops, hard to sabotage spyware. No easy switch offs, cover ups, mysterious outages and if these do occur, qualified immunity gets tossed. Stuff like that.  

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[Telmo Menezes]

Am Mi, 1. Sep 2021, um 02:53, schrieb spudb...@aol.com:

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To be honest using one's true name was something I was paranoid about for a long time, and yeah, that shows in my character and writing. I believe it is naïve unless one is on a professional venue to not use a nom' de guerre. As this society polarizes and splits in two, (US) it becomes increasingly unlikely that we'll respect each others boundaries. 

For Europeans involved as Nato countries, I wish the best of fortune and would urge planning for a an EU defense that is independent on a now unreliable USA.

Both Merkel and Macron could see the writing on the wall during the Trump presidency. This is more likely to happen in the post-Brexit EU. The UK was the main actor blocking it.

But before that, we will have to deal with yet another wave of refugees created by US military interventions. And while we deal with it, I am sure that US populist pundits will once again at the same time criticize us for doing it, crying about "the fall of Europe" and spreading "news" about the streets of Copenhagen being awash in brown men raping blond women, etc ad nauseam. European populist pundits usually join the party, but this time they might not, given how much of a shit-show Brexit (a direct consequence of such "news") has been.

Telmo

[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 9:17 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> You are a total DNC supporter

Actually for most of my life I was a registered Republican, but I officially changed my affiliation from Republican to Democrat on August 3 2011, the day after Republicans pushed the country to within 45 minutes of defaulting on the national debt which would've been an economic Chernobyl. Even before that I had noticed a disturbingly large number of Republicans were getting on the crazy train but that lunacy was the final straw. Trump didn't create the Republican crazy train, he just hooked his clown car onto it and put the train into hyperdrive heading for Looneyville.

> You cannot be a Libertarian JC.

That is true, I'm not a Libertarian, I'm a libertarian (small l). My contempt for the Libertarian party is boundless. As for my libertarian credentials, although I don't drink and I've never even had a marijuana cigarette, I believe somebody should have the right to put any chemical they wish into their body, including heroin, including cyanide. I believe making somebody live when they want to die is as reprehensible as making somebody die when they want to live. I am pretty much an absolutist when it comes to freedom of speech, so I think all libel laws should be abolished. I am strongly in favor of free trade. I believe it was a mistake to put freedom of religion in the US Constitution because if you have freedom of speech and freedom of assembly you get freedom of religion automatically, there are an infinite number of things you can do with those freedoms and worshiping an invisible man in the sky it's just one of them.

 

> Libertarians believe "Governments that govern best, govern least."

Yeah... the thing is ... as much as I love libertarianism I love the scientific method even more, so if I observe it's not working then my strict libertarian philosophy will just have to be modified. At one time I went even further then advocating small government, I thought there shouldn't be any government at all; I was very big on things like Privately Produced Law  enforced by Private Protection Agencies; and I still think if we were starting from scratch that would have been a better road to take than the road that leads to nation states, but I have come to the conclusion that it's far too late for that now, we are nowhere near to starting from scratch. I no longer think it's feasible to get rid of nation states, at least not without the transition causing mega-death and not before a singularity occurs caused by AI or Nanotechnology or Quantum Computers or Genetic Engineering.  

At one time I also thought society shouldn't be concerned with wealth distribution, I always knew that policy would someday have to change due to advances in technology, but I thought that was so far in the future that we didn't need to worry about it now. However things have developed faster than I figured they would.  Spud, I don't know what you do for a living but whatever it is it's only a matter of time, and probably not a great deal of time, before a machine can do that job better than you can, and you and tens of millions of people just like you will not only be unemployed but unemployable.

A recent

 survey was conducted by the University of Oxford of 352 

prominent 

AI researchers

, this is the average prediction on when they think AI will outperform humans at various tasks:

Translate

 languages better than any human

 = 2024

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rite high school

 

level essays 

better than human high schoolers = 2026

Drive trucks better than humans = 2027

Work in retail = 2031

Write books = 2049

Perform surgery = 2053

Be better than humans at everything = 2062  

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 8:36 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

If your team even breathes on a kuffar, I will damage your civilization in a hideous manner. My method (being junior Napoleon) if they failed to listen, which they would have, would invoke a level of "my" brutality not seen since the Christmas bombing of Haiphong Harbor, Christmas 1972.

And what was the end result of the Haiphong Harbor, Christmas bombing of 1972? It didn't work, the USA still lost the war. And I have to ask, if the USA had won the Vietnam war would we be better off today? Nope.

>  Refined, to use lots of your favorite and mine, thermobaric's. 

Been there. Done that. Didn't work.  

 > my goal would have been to make the Jihadists risk-averse. 

 

Do you really think nobody ever tried to do that before?  Setting a goal is easy but actually achieving a goal can sometimes be just a tad more difficult. I keep asking for specifics on exactly what your brilliant plan for winning the war in Afghanistan is  and all I get from you is "use a bigger bomb", apparently you think the 21,600 pound GBU43/B MOAB just isn't big enough .

>An H-bomb would open many doors and all of then leading to bad places. Sleepy Joe's choice was emphatically NOT to either drop an H-Bomb on Kabul or lose the country.

True, the other choice, besides getting out, was to just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 20 years for another 20 years and hope things will be different.  I note that Albert Einstein once said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

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[John Clark]

I have another question to ask Mr. Spudboy100. Today great power exists in the world, and every bit of that power is controlled by a government, a corporation, or an individual. Due to technological improvements, in the future even more power will exist, but you have said you think government should be smaller and you hate corporations and super rich individuals, so what's left, in the future where do you think that power should reside?  

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[Henrik Ohrstrom]

 > my goal would have been to make the Jihadists risk-averse. 

 

Killing someone who don't mind getting killed 'cause it is a win for him (crapload of virgins etc) is not really doing you any good.

My ancestor's (maybe yours too? ) behaviour with enough religious and cultural luggage they/anyone are going to get killed happily and both them and their relatives are going to be happy about it, also a good reason to continue the violence.

If you don't clear them out totally, as in hammering a nail in the skull of ever man woman child grandma and goat, violence is not going to give you satisfaction.

Are you seriously proposing such an methodical approach to the Afghan problem?

/H

[Brent Meeker]

Current workforce (black) and projected workforce after automation (white).



Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

Understood John, its not a matter of blandness or famousness, or generating influence under a nom d' guerre, it's simply a minor level of safety and there's not much to it. To be a libertarian one must turn down Big government goodies, because 'A government that governs least, governs best,' and that is too ideological for me. To be a Transhumanist, all you need to have is a desire to look for technical developments in computing and medical science, in a very basic way, and say, 'Let's push back on the human conditions of death, infirmity & disease.'  This simply means pushing a much larger amount of money given over to stem graduates to accomplish specific goals to remediate the human condition. 

By the way I believed that John Locke or Dr. Johnson, or or Baudelaire, who coined the term human condition, but there is no single source, save for Hannah Arendt 1958 who wrote a book about it. Brutal recommendations are welcome as long as they provide some measurable, observable, benefit?  

I wouldn't mind it a bit if our tax dollars were greatly increased to make 'medicine' much better, quicker, however even Andrew Yang did not run on this. Not sure what Istvan ran on. My suspicion is that nobody in the DNC or RNC gets this notion of funding for specific outcomes medically?

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[spudb...@aol.com]

The only question that matters Telmo, is if the allegations of Islamists attacking your women is true? Thus, it then becomes a criminal matter and even though I view your politicians and police covering for the attackers, it ain't good, results wise. It's either true or false in each case. It's observable behavior and not down to emotions. If Brown men are attacking then yeah, its a real problem. The axiom doesn't work that being a victim doesn't make you less racist, nor more guilty of racism. 

My suspicion here is that the Scandinavians are trying to prove to the world and themselves, that, We Aren't Nazis! As nice as that is to know, if you want to prove to yourselves that the 3rd Reich is truly dead you know there are other cultures you can have immigrants from, and ones that are far, less, belligerent than the folks from Somalia & Syria. People from Latin America, nice and earth-toned would be happy to do work and pay into your national healthcare system to help replenish the funds. India, you know about, Vietnam, etc.   

On your collective future, my plea is the issue isn't just with one guy, and thus, the party he represents has climbed high on the unreliability scale. Now, we are the nation state that invented Isolationism (sans, globalist corporations) and it seems that it is once again invented. Armor up, I'd say. 

[Brent Meeker]

On 9/1/2021 7:43 AM, John Clark wrote:

True, the other choice, besides getting out, was to just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 20 years for another 20 years and hope things will be different.  I note that Albert Einstein once said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

There are also other ways of staying.  In theory we could have colonized Afghanistan.  I'm not sure where we'd get colonists willing to go there; maybe like Britain colonized Australia.  There aren't that many Afghans so it would have been possible in a generation or two to simply overwhelm and absorb them.  It would certainly have had interesting geopolitical consequences to have a U.S. territory or state with borders on Iran, China, and Pakistan.

Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

Thanks for asking, let me check my teleprompter..

I mistrust the boards of directors that fund the campaigns in the US. 

Technological power, some of it, may actually undermine these boards of directors.  Specifically, 3D printing of products, and eventually Drexler's nano-manufacturing, J. Storrs Hall Utility Cloud, Kurzweil's Kooker, whatever it finally gets called? Diamandis also has a book on this. Then, you need something, you make it, print it. 

If I had to choose, and I am just a scroungy peasant, I'd keep things the same but break out of the lawyer-politician mold with the notion of and Adhocracy.

So-so description follow...

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/adhocracy.asp

We need to get beyond lobbyists (law firms) and politicians (lawyers) and start asking teams of people drafted to advise on specific issues...police brutality, clean energy, taxes, financial policies...anywhere we as a society bump into a reality check. Yeah, this could also be performed globally speaking of technology, zoom, google hangouts, whatever you recommend? It's a form of idea generation and investigation, versus simply have the lawyers chatter and do favors for each other, financed courtesy of the boards of directors as mentioned above. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Well, as we have seen economic troubles come and go. My historical, not hysterical is you bounce back much quicker with capital investment and less so with "Companies too big to Fail," aka Crony Capitalism. If you wish vengeance upon the Oligarchy (I am not reading this from you in past specific writings) there seemed to be a bigger (temporary) bounce back under Bush 43, from 2001, and The Donald. Clinton back in the 90's did a Republican economy and sailed past his impeachment because why screw up a good thing, over an oval office humjob (physics term indicating exciton particles)? Bush brought us out from 9-11, even tho he and had Clinton let terrorists race all over the US, and then with the Frank Dodd housing bubble, let everything go into the storm drain. 

 Trump did well enough on economics via job production. Joe basically is taking things hour by hour, and will throw money if the barking dogs get too close, because it worked early this year, correct? Unemployment plus kickbacks and many were happy, true?  Yeah I do follow the Cerebras announcement as well as this and that with the quantum, and yes, the machines shall ascend as they must. One of the purchasers of GPT/4 Cerebras is Astra-Zeneca, so maybe being a hideously young and long lived serf is the price to be paid for not having work? 

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 4:19 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

Well all that is really nice Spud my boy, but you didn't really answer my question, in whose hands should the immense power that will exist in the future be placed? If it's not in the government or in corporations or  super rich individuals then I can't think who else it could be except for average individuals, if that's what you're talking about, and I can't think of what else you could be referring to,  then you're talking about wealth redistribution, a very very left wing position; something Trump and his clown car army strongly oppose. I'm not complaining you take that position mind you, I'm just surprised.

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 4:37 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

>Trump did well enough on economics via job production. 

Not even close! Trump is the first president since Herbert Hoover who had fewer people employed on the last day of his presidency than there were on the first, and that was 90 years ago. 

And with tens of millions of people becoming unemployed and unemployable in the next decade due to technological advancement, do you really think this is a good time to cut back on government services to the poor? 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

Well that will not happen. In fact the opposite is more likely. At the end of WWII Muslims numbered 70 million. Now they are 1.4 billion. The US population birth rate is only at sustainable levels. It is far more likely Muslims will out-populated the west, immigrate and absorb us. As humanity fades out into that dark night of extinction we may do so as Muslims.

LC 

[Telmo Menezes]

Am Mi, 1. Sep 2021, um 21:56, schrieb spudb...@aol.com:

The only question that matters Telmo, is if the allegations of Islamists attacking your women is true? Thus, it then becomes a criminal matter and even though I view your politicians and police covering for the attackers, it ain't good, results wise. It's either true or false in each case. It's observable behavior and not down to emotions. If Brown men are attacking then yeah, its a real problem. The axiom doesn't work that being a victim doesn't make you less racist, nor more guilty of racism. 

Sweden has a broader definition of rape than most European countries. This makes it looks that it is rape central, when in reality nothing unusual is happening there. This discrepancy has been exploited by media catering to certain political inclinations to create moral panic.

I live in Berlin, right at the eye of the hurricane of Merkel's "Wir schaffen das" refugee-friendly policy. I have met Syrian refugees, and I have friends who teach classes to refugees. For what it is worth, my female friends consistently tell me that they feel safer moving around in Berlin than in most other cities. I don't live in Sweden, so I can't give you the "boots on the ground" impression. I have Swedish colleagues and friends, and they definitely do not seem worried about that. I have never witnessed any such preoccupations outside of English-speaking populist press.

A few years ago, when I was still on facebook, there was this video from the Alex Jones networks making the rounds. It purported to depict the "fall of Europe", in the form of Islamic terrorists freely exploding bombs in Berlin, while the authorities looked the other way. In reality, Berlin has a huge native Turkish population, and this video showed the common new year celebrations, which is Germany involve a lot of DIY fireworks. Of course, we are not in the age of context of nuance. The only thing that matter is creating strong emotions to cater to your tribe. Say something your tribe doesn't like, and you will be on your own. This is not exclusive to the right, by the way. Large parts of the current left are behaving in exactly the same way.

My suspicion here is that the Scandinavians are trying to prove to the world and themselves, that, We Aren't Nazis! As nice as that is to know, if you want to prove to yourselves that the 3rd Reich is truly dead you know there are other cultures you can have immigrants from, and ones that are far, less, belligerent than the folks from Somalia & Syria. People from Latin America, nice and earth-toned would be happy to do work and pay into your national healthcare system to help replenish the funds. India, you know about, Vietnam, etc.   

This is an extraordinarily anglo-centric view of things. This might come as a surprise to you, but outside of the USA/UK most people see WWII as History. Nobody in Germany or Sweden is really preoccupied with proving that they are not nazis. WWII was indeed a very fine hour for the anglosphere, but we are now in 2021, almost one century after the national-socialist movement began to take hold.

I witnessed this during Brexit. The UK populists can't have enough of WWII references. They wished to propagate the idea that Germany is forever-nazi, and that they are the only ones preventing Europe from devolving into the 4th reich. This is just pure narcissism, in my view.

Europe is old and decrepit in many ways, but we do have one nice thing going for us: we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that we are not special, and that we can become monsters. The quicker the USA also learns that same lesson, the better for all of us. I am a huge admirer of the USA, by the way.

To be clear: I have nothing against you. We have different opinions on politics, that is all. I notice that everyone here gangs up on you, and that almost makes me want to take your side :)

Take care spud!

Telmo

[spudb...@aol.com]

In both cases, yeah, unlike Goering's wet dreams of wining a war solely by air, the slow evolution of air power puts us in reach of actually do this. 

To control a land you must put boots on the ground, but this would need constant bombing, say of their mountain caves. This would also entail doing what Biden ordered his drones to do, wipe out the ISIS dudes involved last week with the airport attack. Follow up? He killed their children that were traveling with their two planners, possibly using their own children as hostages. "The Kuffar wouldn't dare attack us now!" Obama's troops had the same issue with Bin Laden himself, using one of his own son's as shielding. We could win, or we could do empire crap, and keep the jihadists at bay, but this means constant pressure, constant 'disrupting the ant hill. If we're not mentally good with this, and I am not sure if I am, then we do have a situation where we absorb whatever strikes the jihadists throw at us, Next time bio, maybe nukes, and then try and bomb somebody to blame. Like Bubba Clinton striking a pharma plant in Sudan, to persuade us hicks.

I think we can do better than this, but not with Joe or Kamala or their assistants. One thing I just thought of was another historic event. The event was this question: What ended the Mongol Empire? The answer is The Little Ice Age. The Atlantic Oscillation ran low and slow, and the snow packs wrecked the roads of the Khan's so they couldn't send troops, soldiers, messengers. They went broke. Thus, AGW might break the Jihad? This is something as you have pointed out that me and all my bomb-lust have not. 

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John, I am one of the clowns in the car so its probably not the best clown to ask advice of. I was better impressed by some of Don's actions and mistrusted Hilly so much with her Leftist Lawyer history, I would have gladly picked her hubby Bubba, if he was the one running. 

1. Don didn't build a decent fence despite all his crowing about it. He did find a better fix with getting Mexico to keep the taps on the Hondurans and such.

2. He did slap China with tariffs (If there really was Mass election fraud it twern't BLM, Antifa, but instead WallStreet that done it cuz money and org, IF?)
3. He kept the Indian IT workers imported down to a low roar..

4. Inflation good, employment better. Better than Obama, yeah, despite your info, which I challenge because I experienced it. 

5. He was fair on Covid, closed down China early, at the same time Nancy + Schiff were calling racism. 

Straight answer as my Trump-hating brother in law agreed the other day, that the corruption worldwide by the rich will likely be some sort of war to get a 

chance for my Adhocracy as a multiple citizens advisory board to ram through the advice and consent of the Congressional wonder boys and girls. 

(paid off). 

That's quick take. It won't happen until enough people get focused. That won't happen until the Elite$ screw the pooch rather badly. Could it all go horrible after that? Flip a coin. I still think with enough momentum we can leverage the bastards. Until then....Do your best, suck it up, make small changes when we can.

[spudb...@aol.com]

If you are asking anthropologically if human self-domesticate, I'd say sure!

The Jihadists don't self domesticate and yes they do want to die in battle so they can have sex for the rest of eternity

The females who sacrifice (shaheeds) are often told that they will be able to take 70 of their friends and relatives to Janah with them.

It all depends on the Umah's interpretation of Quran, Soonah, & Bookhari? Address a Muslim for this information. Some will do Taquqya which is permitted to preserve the dignity of Islam against the Kuffar, you and I. 

on aggression regarding my own inhumanity, I would say I am guilty and see vengeance as doable in certain situations. Not all, not always. We do objective then we do subjective and see where it leads us?  

I raised the possibility that AGW will halt the Jihad via the climate, as The Little Ice ended the Mongol Terror. It would change people's Maslow's hierarchy of needs to doing thing that lend thoughts to survival. Sometimes this may be a long Hudna with the Kuffars. A Hudna is a temporary true that permits re-arming. Given climate change, it could be a long hudna indeed!

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:45 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> To control a land you must put boots on the ground, but this would need constant bombing, say of their mountain caves.

Yeah yeah bomb mountain caves, I've heard it all before. Mr. Armchair General, do you really think the Soviets and the Americans never thought of that?

> We could win, or we could do empire crap,

That's another question I have, how do you know when you've won the war in Afghanistan? When you've taken the city of Kabul? The Americans did that just a few weeks after they invaded the country, but it didn't help, 20 years later they still lost the war in Afghanistan. I have no doubt the USA could easily retake Kabul, but then what? Oh yeah I forgot, bomb mountain caves for another 20 years.

 > keep the jihadists at bay, but this means constant pressure, constant 'disrupting the ant hill.

How long is "constant", how long must this constant pressure be applied, another 20 years? I'd give Biden an A on his decision to pull out of a war that was obviously lost, but I'd give him a D on  the implementation of that plan; the last days of a losing war are always going to be ugly but I don't think they needed to be quite that ugly.  I'd only give Trump a B on his decision to pull out of a war that was obviously lost because he waited till year 4 of his administration to make that decision, Biden did it on year one of his. Like Biden I'd also give Trump a D for the implementation of his plan because he negotiated it with the Taliban without conferring with our Afghanistan allies and agreed to the immediate release of 5000 dangerous Taliban prisoners who on being released immediately went back to fighting.

 

> What ended the Mongol Empire? The answer is The Little Ice Age.

The Little Ice Age lasted from the 14th century to the middle of the 19th, plenty of war and conquest and religious lunacy occurred during that time that had nothing to do with the Mongol Empire. The Little Ice Age certainly didn't make the human race less violent or crazy.

>Thus, AGW might break the Jihad?

 

Maybe, or maybe continental drift will break the Jihad, but American soldiers dying in Afghanistan will not make the continents move faster or the world get hotter. By the way, you've forgotten IHA.

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 3:03 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

1. Don didn't build a decent fence despite all his crowing about it. 

That's true he didn't, but I have to ask, were you surprised, did you really think he would build a wall, and did you also think he would get Mexico to pay for it? Did you really think even Trump believed what he was saying was true? Maybe I'm weird but I tend to get a bit angry when somebody looks me straight in the face and tells me something that I know for a fact is a lie, but that doesn't seem to irritate the Trump zombies one bit. Some people are excellent liars and it's extremely difficult to tell that they're not being sincere, but despite an enormous amount of practice Trump never became good at that skill. When Trump was giving a speech he might as well have the words "I AM A LIAR" tattooed in big bold letters on his forehead.

> 2. He did slap China with tariffs

Yep, and who paid those tariffs, China? Nope, the middle class consumer paid for those Chinese tariffs. And as someone who claims he wants smaller government, how can you justify the government ordering me (using the threat of violence) not to buy a widget from China and I must instead buy a widget from Oklahoma that costs more and is of lower quality? Trump said he's a tariff's man, well I'm a libertarian and that means I'm a free market man.

> 3. He kept the Indian IT workers imported down to a low roar..

Yeah he did, and if you think the way the win the technology war that will define the future is to make sure very smart scientifically minded people don't enter the country then you're nuts.  

4. > nflation good, employment better. Better than Obama,

BULLSHIT.

> yeah, despite your info, which I challenge because I experienced it. 

The perfect example of a NON-Scientific person is somebody who thinks personal anecdotes are more important than the scientific method.

 

>  He [Trump] was fair on Covid,

You must be kidding, I mean it, you are kidding aren't you?  

> Straight answer as my Trump-hating brother in law agreed the other day, that the corruption worldwide by the rich will likely be some sort of war to get a chance for my Adhocracy as a multiple citizens advisory board to ram through the advice and consent of the Congressional wonder boys and girls. (paid off). That's quick take.

What the hell! I am unable to parse any of that. I need a Rosetta Stone for the Spudize language.    

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 3:03 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

 > He [Trump] was fair on Covid, closed down China early, at the same time Nancy + Schiff were calling racism. 

 Wow, talk about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted! Looking back on it now it's easy to see that late action had precisely ZERO impact on the evolution of the disease, however there were other things Trump did that had an astronomically huge impact on the spread of COVID-19, but not in a direction one would wish, such as:

1) Not allowing photographs of himself to be taken while wearing a virus mask and encouraging people to make fun of those who do wear them.

2) Trying to stop State governors from banning people from gathering in large crowds at the height of the worst epidemic in a century that killed more people than World War II and in less than a third of the time.

3) Ordering huge numbers of his filthy unhygienic Trump zombies to flock together in dense concentrations and turning them into very productive Covid virus manufacturing factories. 

4) Turning the 18 acres of the White House into a place that, per square foot, had the highest  concentration of COVID-19 virus in the nation, and possibly the world.

5) Telling his zombie hordes not to listen to the excellent medical advice given by Dr. Fauci.

6) Spreading the unscientific bullshit that vaccination causes autism. 

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