Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

[John Clark]

Today we learned something new about Trump. What effect will this new revelation have on the blind faith Trump zombies have for Donald Trump? It will have the same effect that yesterday's revelation that Trump called for the termination of the constitution had. None at all. The Trump faithful will not let little things like hypocrisy, self-contradiction, and treason reduce their reverence for the man.

Trump didn't disclose a $19.8 MILLION loan from company with ties to North Korea when he was running for president in 2016

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[spudb...@aol.com]

If you can nail the man for one thing, anything, go for it! I think he, because of the Ye-Ye scandal, and his Constitution claim, he may be truly, gut shot for 2024, so be happy! On the other hand, back on Nov 9th, a democratic party strategist said: "If DeSantis can beat Trump in the primaries, there is no democrat that can beat De Santis".

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 3:53 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> If you can nail the man for one thing, anything, go for it! I think he, because of the Ye-Ye scandal, and his Constitution claim, he may be truly, gut shot for 2024,

I also think Trump's presidential ambitions may be gut shot but what the hell do I know,  in early 2020 I thought Trump was just comic relief and the American people would never be stupid enough to vote for the man. I was right about that but unfortunately the American people don't have the right to decide who will be their Commander In Chief, only the 528 elite members of the electoral college have that right, and they were stupid enough to vote for Trump.

 

> so be happy! On the other hand, back on Nov 9th, a democratic party strategist said: "If DeSantis can beat Trump in the primaries, there is no democrat that can beat De Santis".

For reasons that elude me De Santis just won a very impressive reelection for governor so now I also think no Democrat can beat him, but there is a republican that can, Donald Trump. Regardless of who ends up winning the Republican primaries they are going to be brutal, and Trump has no loyalty to the Republican party or to anything else; so if Trump can't beat DeSantis in the primaries he'll do everything in his power to beat him in the general election and make sure he never gets to sit in the oval office, because by that time he'll hate DeSantis much more than he hates whatever Democrat ends up being the next president. And yes, I am very happy about that.

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[Telmo Menezes]

Am Mi, 7. Dez 2022, um 11:55, schrieb John Clark:

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 3:53 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> If you can nail the man for one thing, anything, go for it! I think he, because of the Ye-Ye scandal, and his Constitution claim, he may be truly, gut shot for 2024,

I also think Trump's presidential ambitions may be gut shot but what the hell do I know,  in early 2020 I thought Trump was just comic relief and the American people would never be stupid enough to vote for the man. I was right about that but unfortunately the American people don't have the right to decide who will be their Commander In Chief, only the 528 elite members of the electoral college have that right, and they were stupid enough to vote for Trump.

 

I was under the impression that electoral college members are not free to vote on whomever they like, that they must vote for the candidate that won in their state. And I do believe that it is what all of them did, otherwise I wouldn't say that the US are an actual democracy.

If I am indeed correct, then you are complaining about a distortion caused by your particular flavor of representative democracy. However, I know of no representative democracy without similar distortions. Do you?

Telmo

> so be happy! On the other hand, back on Nov 9th, a democratic party strategist said: "If DeSantis can beat Trump in the primaries, there is no democrat that can beat De Santis".

For reasons that elude me De Santis just won a very impressive reelection for governor so now I also think no Democrat can beat him, but there is a republican that can, Donald Trump. Regardless of who ends up winning the Republican primaries they are going to be brutal, and Trump has no loyalty to the Republican party or to anything else; so if Trump can't beat DeSantis in the primaries he'll do everything in his power to beat him in the general election and make sure he never gets to sit in the oval office, because by that time he'll hate DeSantis much more than he hates whatever Democrat ends up being the next president. And yes, I am very happy about that.

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 6:52 AM Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> wrote:

> I was under the impression that electoral college members are not free to vote on whomever they like, that they must vote for the candidate that won in their state.

Unfortunately that is not true. When an American citizen votes in a presidential election he is not really voting for a presidential candidate, he is voting for a member of the Electoral College who has pledged to vote for a certain presidential candidate, however members of the Electoral College have a constitutional right to vote for anybody they want and are not legally bound by any prior pledge they may have made. Most would consider reneging on their pledge to be unethical but it is not illegal.

 > otherwise I wouldn't say that the US are an actual democracy.

You said it not me.  

> If I am indeed correct, then you are complaining about a distortion caused by your particular flavor of representative democracy.

And as if the above is not bad enough, thanks to the Electoral College a person voting in a presidential election in Wyoming has about 70 times as much influence as to who will be the next president as a person who votes in California. And as if that isn't bad enough, in nearly all of the states if candidate X wins 50.01% of the popular vote and candidate Y wins 49.99% of the popular vote then candidate X wins 100% of the all important electoral votes and candidate Y wins 0%.

 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Ok, thanks. Trump may indeed run as an independent and split the vote. 

We do have national and international issues in the next 2 years that will impact us more than Dons' great ego. 

 

We have yet to experience as we have on the 70's gasoline shortages & price increases. I think this will return, for the reason that although Reps deny Climate Change, they believe in Fossil Fuels. Democrats who believe in Climate Change do very poorly in implementing electric vehicle promotion and solar and wind power as well as the charging infrastructure.  So, all the dem politicians really offer are being against fossil fuels, which currently is the only that works now, while battling fossil fuels as a psychological virtue. This is but one example that is heading our direction. 

If this is long-enduring, this will push the need for economic separation anyway. Which, for us, seems to be a fix across the board stemming from The Democrats' progressive (Stalin in a ballet tutu) form of rule. Ah, but I diverge. 

Yes JC, with Donny we could get Joey back for 4 more years!

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The US is not a democracy nor, a republic but a oligarchy where the rich rule, known as a plutocracy. JC is quite correct. It was set up as a republic but devolved to a plutocracy, due to the high costs of politicians running campaigns. View the Citizens United ruling by the US Supreme Court:

The ‘Citizens United’ decision and why it matters – Center for Public Integrity

Will Trump get nailed by Progressives obsession via a NY state court ruling? Time will tell. DeSantis is now looking more trustworthy and successful to Republican voters, according to the mornings poll. Rely on the democrats, now all supporters of a LGQBT version of Josep Stalin. However, Telmo, people vote with their feet and over economic issues so we shall see in the next 2 years what occurs in the world? Xi for sure, Putin, up in the air, and Iran, Syria, North Africa, and so on and so forth! The world doesn't end at America's shoreline. :-[

Peace. 

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[John Clark]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 8:57 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> the democrats, now all supporters of a LGQBT version of Josep Stalin. 

It is certainly fortunate that Mr. Spudboy is not the sort of person who stoops to crass hyperbole.  

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[Brent Meeker]

On 12/7/2022 4:27 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 6:52 AM Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> wrote:

> I was under the impression that electoral college members are not free to vote on whomever they like, that they must vote for the candidate that won in their state.

Unfortunately that is not true. When an American citizen votes in a presidential election he is not really voting for a presidential candidate, he is voting for a member of the Electoral College who has pledged to vote for a certain presidential candidate, however members of the Electoral College have a constitutional right to vote for anybody they want and are not legally bound by any prior pledge they may have made. Most would consider reneging on their pledge to be unethical but it is not illegal.

I think the laws of the state may make it illegal.  But in any case that's not what makes the vote for President undemocratic, at you note below.

Brent

 > otherwise I wouldn't say that the US are an actual democracy.

You said it not me.  

> If I am indeed correct, then you are complaining about a distortion caused by your particular flavor of representative democracy.

And as if the above is not bad enough, thanks to the Electoral College a person voting in a presidential election in Wyoming has about 70 times as much influence as to who will be the next president as a person who votes in California. And as if that isn't bad enough, in nearly all of the states if candidate X wins 50.01% of the popular vote and candidate Y wins 49.99% of the popular vote then candidate X wins 100% of the all important electoral votes and candidate Y wins 0%.

 

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